My god! How can anyone say this was a TIE!

[ranosgol]

If Kerry got his ass handed to him the way Bush did tonigh it would be headine news!

[Hello_Kitty]

1. Just shows how...

pussywhipped the media is. Hopefully, this debate will allow them to tentatively emerge from the fear and actually do some goddamn news reporting instead of obediently repeating right wing talking points.

[wtmusic]

3. Fear isn't the issue

it's corporate interests deciding what you should think.

It will not change, even after Kerry is elected. Battle #2 is breaking apart media monopolies.

[montana500]

17. ok

Kerry didn't land a knock-out punch. Instead, he methodically trounced Bush like a fast, skilled boxer versus a slow puncher.

It was worse than a knock out punch. It had nuance, skill, and horrific precision. The way he EXPERTLY manhandled the Shrub will be more revealing and more potent as time rolls on.

[wtmusic]

22. awesome first post, montana500

and welcome to DU!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[donco6]

25. I think you're right, montana500.

It was like watching someone be flayed alive, and Bush's expression showed that he felt it. I've never seen him more uncomfortable and obviously out of his depth. You could almost see him thinking, "I have to go through two more of THESE?"

[Barney Rocks]

2. that is why I like DU.

we are almost the only honest site. Everyone else I talk to or listen to is spinning this into a draw a tie. I am so angry!

[zmdem]

4. Because it was

Note however that in this case the tie breaks favourably for Kerry, not hugely, but still it does. Kerry met Bush on Bush's home turf and came away even. It's not huge for Kerry, but it is good for Kerry.

Kerry didn't deliver the knockout punch, but he demonstrated that he is up to the job - that's important when attempting to unseat a sitting president.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. This post is meritless

To say that this debate was a tie is to say that you didn't watch it.

[krkaufman]

6. HuhWAH!?!?

This shellacking tonight was NOT a tie, regardless of how the media and others may want to spin it. Kerry didn't deliver a knockout blow relative to the overall election, perhaps, but I'm confident this election is now his to lose.

Stick a fork in Bush; he's done.

[Chomskyite]

8. Maybe in Sid and Marty Croft-land this was this case

. . . but Bush was rattled from beginning to end.

You didn't see the "I KNOW bin Laden attacked us!" tantrum? What was that? Did I dream that?

[ThePhilosopher04]

10. If you thought this was a tie, you're not living in the real world...

I could understand, to some degree, if you thought Bush didn't crash and burn beyond recovery, but he CLEARLY was outmatched in this debate tonight. And the ASS-WHIPPING is even more clear the second time watching it.

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

13. The thing I liked

was how Kerry did a really great job but still has some room for improvement for other issues and can really knock people out still. I think he did do that tonight while Bush has to really catch up in debating to Kerry. Good luck bub. :crazy:

[Seabiscuit]

18. Bullshit!

Near "tie" my ass.

Kerry wiped the floor with that turd for 90 minutes!!!!

You obviously didn't get a chance to watch it on C-SPAN with the split images showing both candidates at all times - and watching Bush wince, cringe, roll his eyes, make faces like he had a ton of intestinal gas he was straining to eliminate, and generally look like some creature out of a 50's horror movie, everytime Kerry slammed him with well chosen words, which traveled like daggers into the evil Chimp's heat implant.

I despise posts like yours, BTW. I can't call you what I know you are due to the regulations here, but I don't really have to, do I, it's so friggin' obvious.

[Toucano]

7. I will seriously consider the sanity

of anyone who sincerely thinks Kerry didn't mop up the joint with Bush.

They'd have to be either deaf, blind, feeble or lying.

[Seabiscuit]

19. Or a freepazoid???

n/t I didn't actually call anyone that, did I? :)

[Thrill]

9. We knew this would happen

Its just the way it is

[Wapsie B]

11. There's no way to hide behind the spin on this one.

Chimpy was out-classed tonight and his handlers know it. He's so out of his depth he shouldn't be president of a local chamber of commerce let alone POTUS. The repugs can spin all they want but it's futile. We're watching a political party in the throes of death. Think I'll ice down a case of Miller and enjoy the show.

[EST]

12. Pushing a million votes...

Kerry over bush- 70% to 30%- Hardly anything like a tie. CNN is spinning like mad. It's actually funny, in a tragic sort of way. They have bush's favorite whore on there, as well as other bushie types, doing their level best to come up with sound bites to even things out... Dipshits. Now I know exactly why some folks continue to vote for Bush. They're stupid.

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

14. Thanks to the site here

I've done a lot of polls tonight and basically all of them but maybe one that I voted in Kerry was wayyy ahead. Barely anybody was still undecided. I'm also reading responses on this one site and basically everybody says thanks to the debate they're now more-sure and voting Kerry. GO KERRY! :yourock:

[EST]

15. Yah, I was listening to cspan and the true undecideds

were 100% for Kerry, now. Was one guy who called in and claimed to have been undecided and now voting for Bush, but she asked him why and he recited the same tired FOX talking points-it was so obvious he either didn't watch the debate or was a r/w op. People somehow assume that everyone else is as dumb as they are and can't figure out pretty quickly when somebody's bullshitting.

[VOX]

21. Welcome to DU, CrowNotAngelGRL!!

Keep up the good work! :toast:

[TrustingDog]

16. didn't catch the all of it tonite, but...

anyone else notice when Gorge said 'rum' instead of run...
LOL...
wish I had the context/sentence...

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Supposedly FOX didn't;

They said it was "clearly a win for Bush" :wow:

..Welcome to the looking glass. As I told my wife, who is increasingly feeling like she took the red pill these days, the United States is the most powerful nation on Earth. Who controls the levers has real impact on lots of things that affect the big boyos. Democracy may sound like a nice word, but there is way too much power and money at stake for the corporations who really run the show to allow the average voter to make up their own minds about things-- not without some serious "help".

Hell, there was some doofus on one channel tonight saying "People watched the debates, but they haven't made up their minds about them. They will wait to hear what the punditry has to say so that they can form their opinions about what they saw." Like, they watched, but their blob-like feeble minds need to wait for the professionals--- to do their thinking for them.

[spinbaby]

23. I'm surprised they didn't declare * victorious

They seem to spot him extra points for showing up sober and not wetting his pants.

[T Town Jake]

24. It was no "tie"...period. n/t