I am a little confused in Kerry.

[Dangerman]

All I want is our all troops home now. He says he has some kind to plan to WIN this war before sending the troops home.

I don't get it.

[Tempest]

1. We can't bring the troops home now

Unless you want Iran to take control over Iraq and their oil.

Iraq would become a breeding ground for terrorism, and nobody wants that.

[Dangerman]

3. Iraq IS a terrorist breeding ground...

If I recall.

[Tempest]

10. You're recollection is not correct

The insurgency consists of Iraqis and very few foreign terrorists.

The Pentagon says so, the CIA says so.

Less than 2% of the captured insurgents are foreigners.

[DIBL]

11. Iraq will become an extension of Iran

if we pull out without ensuring a minimum level of security and self defense ability for the Iraqis. With their strong Shiite support inside Iraq, the Iranians will instate a fundamentalist Islamic rule by proxy similar to what they have at home. Why do we care? For one thing, a mainly secular society will degenerate into religious fanaticism which incites hatred against the West and advocates extending Islamic rule to the rest of the world.

This is of course ignoring the very plausible scenario that Iraq will go into civil war between Shiites, Sunni, Kurds and any of factions with aspirations to power. That would turn Iraq into a poor, war-torn country with fundamentalist leanings. Sounds awfully similar to Afghanistan, doesn't it? And we all know that terrorists were having a party there. My strong opinion is that stability and prosperity are the best antidotes to terrorism and all other forms of violence in the world. Our country has the responsibility to be concerned whenever those properties are in jeopardy. That doesn't mean that we need to stick our noses anywhere in the world where things aren't going our way. Especially not with military force. But in the short term, we need the soldiers to bring stability to Iraq and in the long term, we need to ensure the economic success of the country.

We're in this mess, not out of choice, but because of the idealogical delusions of a mad leader (*).

[geek tragedy]

2. What were you expecting?

That's never been his position, and that never will be his position. He is not going to morph into Kucinich.

He can't please everyone.

[PretzelWarrior]

4. thank god you aren't in line for presidency. you smokin' weed

this country really really can't afford to p!ss away the Iraqis. It's not a very fun world Kerry inherits, but it is what it is. Kerry HAS to stabilize the area and "declare victory" as soon as possible and then get troops in forward deployed areas of the region for rapid response.

Besides, are you really enough of a lunatic you think he can win by promising to turn tail and run?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

5. Yup. We Broke It, We Have to Fix It.

And 282 posts.

DTH

[Droopy]

9. Your last sentence less lunatic is key

There is no way Kerry could say that he'd bring the troops home as soon as he takes office. It would be a disaster for his campaign.

[VOX]

6. Don't go negative on Kerry now -- wrong time.

After the election, he can be critiqued. For now, top priority is to get * OUT.

[Dangerman]

8. Agreed.

[wtmusic]

7. Bottom line is: he doesn't know what he's going to do

just like W. The difference is how it's done. I trust JK to work from the view of justice and not bullying.