"I think that saying wrong war, wrong place, wrong time sends a wrong mes-

[JohnKleeb]

message to our troops"
Well Dubya, :eyes: keep em in the dark that you rushed to war just because you wanted to finish your dad's unfinished business from Gulf War I is wrong, I am sure they'd rather have a commander in chief who understands first hand what it's like, a commander in chief who realizes that we screwed up in Iraq, Dubya the only bullets that you've seen were the Washington Bullets that you thought saw when you were too drunk to realize it was a children's basketball game, you don't know combat, you act like it's all so easy there, and that rushing to war is a ok. I wanna see Private George W Bush report for duty, I won't punish your daughters for your ignorance and demand they go to war, hell they probably know that you were wrong, you talk about these relationships with foreign leaders, yet at the same time your friends in congress ridicule longtime allies, you pay off countries like Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Lativa, you talk of this great coalition yet its our guys who are dying over there, our money being spent.

[carpe_vinum]

1. I howled at this line. Why?

Because anyone who has ever been seriously involved in debating knows you do not repeat your opponents catch phrase, even when you're negating it. Bush repeated it how many times????? Bad, bad coaches!

"wrong war, wrong place, wrong time....." keep saying it Shrub. Maybe you'll fall victim to your own tactics and begin to believe something if you say it often enough.

[donco6]

8. Absolutely!

Rule One: Never repeat your opponents catch phrases.

You never heard Kerry say the words flip flop, though he alluded to the idea.

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. Five times. And I think Kerry did a good job of letting it just sit there

and die. The "flip flop" tactic has lost it's effectiveness. The Bush family needs to get a new Rove. :hi:

[SoCalDemocrat]

19. I think after that debate, Bush was thinking of a Kerry vote

[Goldmund]

2. You're right

His whole schtick on the war boils down to this:

"The war is right because we're in a war.".

[JohnKleeb]

4. yep

He's so damn foolish.

[BattyDem]

3. What Shrub seems to be overlooking, is the fact that ...

our troops already know "we're in the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time" - they have a front row seat for this mess! They know better than anyone! :eyes:

[CarolynEC]

9. Bingo! IMHO, that is THE BEST response...

Our troops know better than anyone else that they've been left hanging with no plan to win the peace, and no plan to bring them home.

[Dhalgren]

5. Yeah,

instead of worrying about the "wrong" message, how about telling truth! With that chant of "sending the wrong message", what he is really saying (and it comes through if you stop to think about it)is "we're lying to the troops and need to make sure we keep our stories straight."

[Jade Fox]

6. Bush talks about the troops like they are idiots....

There was some major condescending crap going on there.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. cite an example

I'd love to see that. It'd be a sure killer to play up his rich boy (too good for 'hard work') attitude.

[MrBenchley]

11. Yeah? What message did "It's gonna be a cakewalk" send?

I wonder.

[JohnKleeb]

13. a very ignorant one

It makes me particularly sick how he regards our troops, hell I found out yesterday that I know someone over there, and I probably know others, NoVA may be a rich area but its still very divided, you have some kids who think the military is the only way to help them out truly, so they enlist and no doubt many enlist because they feel its the honorable thing to do.

[MrBenchley]

You got that right....

Here's another :"what message does this send" moment...

"VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I don’t think it’s unlikely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe we will be greeted as liberators. I’ve talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. The president and I have met with various groups and individuals, people who’ve devoted their lives from the outside to try and change things inside of Iraq.
The read we get on the people of Iraq is there’s no question but what they want to get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that. "

"MR. RUSSERT: The army’s top general said that we would have to have several hundred thousand troops there for several years in order to maintain stability.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree. To suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I don’t think is accurate. I think that’s an overstatement."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

[MrBenchley]

14. You got that right....

Here's another :"what message does this send" moment...

"VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I don’t think it’s unlikely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe we will be greeted as liberators. I’ve talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. The president and I have met with various groups and individuals, people who’ve devoted their lives from the outside to try and change things inside of Iraq.
The read we get on the people of Iraq is there’s no question but what they want to get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that. "

"MR. RUSSERT: The army’s top general said that we would have to have several hundred thousand troops there for several years in order to maintain stability.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree. To suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I don’t think is accurate. I think that’s an overstatement."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

[JohnKleeb]

15. They acted like how it was when we liberated Paris in August 1944

Of course that turned out to be total lies.

[MrBenchley]

18. Hilariously, now GOP big wheeze Grover Norquist

is running around calling the "Greatest Generation" (who were welcomed as liberators) un-American....

says it all, doesn't it?

[w13rd0]

12. Something I haven't seen anyone point out yet...

...repeatedly last night, Bush seemed to give the impression that we were going to "win the war" through the proper "message". As if his troubles to date were merely because Rove hasn't found the right "message" to bring "the enemy" to their knees. It's almost funny coming from a twit like him, but he repeated it several times. So, is the difference between success and failure just a matter of "message" tweaking?

[Willy Lee]

16. Al'Qaeda using Iraq to recruit....

How about when Kerry said that Al'Qaida was using the war in Iraq to recruit terrorists in a "Muslim vs American" war and Bush jumped all over him in disbelief?

"Al Qaeda's No. 2 man Ayman Zawahiri called for an all-out armed resistance in the Muslim world against the West and Jews whom he described as crusaders." (from UPI, Google News)

[Mz Pip]

17. I think

starting the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time sends a far worse message.

MzPip
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