20,000+ Dead American Servicemembers

[BOSSHOG]

100,000+ injured and maimed and mutilated American members of the armed forces.

Lets get to the point folks. Four more years of george bush and the above is what we will have. Please share this with your conservative moron acquaintances. A vote for bush is a vote for massive casualties, a ruined military and a devastated economy. All brought to you by a man who deserted his military unit to avoid a drug test.

Please freepers, share with this veteran the error of my ways.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. Not a freeper, but they will tell you that you are pulling numbers out of

your ass...then they will have to stutter and stumble (just like their fearless leader) when you end up right and they end up on the losing side...again. And where will it end up? With them calling you a nasty name because it sucks to be wrong. :hi:

[babylonsister]

2. Only FOUR more years?

Shrub's time there is unlimited/neverending, doncha know? I've heard estimates of 10 years...

[luaneryder]

3. Nope, Boss, you're not in error

This veteran agrees that four more years of this total insanity could very well result in these totals or more. He said clearly last night that the US must stay on the offensive. To this soldier that means constant war, widespread, never ending. I have no doubt the incompetent in the WH intends to begin offensives against Iran, who in turn will attack Isreal, who in turn will blow their Arab neighbors away, leaving a horrific situation in the ME. It's not difficult to see total annihilation on the horizon...if this maniac manages to steal another term.

[BOSSHOG]

4. God Bless you Teammate

I have to do alot of ratcheting back down here in South Mississippi to keep from getting physical with ignorant bastards who don't know they hate America. The caskets keep coming back and everything is just hunky fucking dory. I salute your for your service and urge you to keep up the good fight my fellow veteran.

[FrozenNorth]

5. factual shit

They were not doing drug tests then. The drug testing started in 1981. Get a clue... Any active duty military or retiree could tell you that.

[BOSSHOG]

7. Hello my fellow American

Drug tests were started in 1972. I was on active duty then. I'm a retiree now. Which one of me should I ask. Great to hear from you.

[FrozenNorth]

12. spread manure elsewhere...

Indeed, drug use by military personal and civilian workers mirrored one another before the military instituted drug-testing in 1981. Yet now, drug abuse among military workers is far less prevalent than among their civilian counterparts. Surveys suggest that employees in the military are about 16 percent less likely to report using drugs in the past year than their civilian counterparts. Drug prevalence rates in the military fell from 27.6 percent in 1980 to only 3.4 percent in 1992. After taking into account selection bias (potential drug-using recruits are aware of the drug-testing program and steer clear of a military career), the deterrence effect of the military's program ranges between 4 percent and 16 percent, the authors calculate.

http://www.nber.org/digest/mar00/w7383.html

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[doni_georgia]

22. US military instituted random drug testing in 1972. This is documented

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[FrozenNorth]

19. Active duty AF

And I think you are full of it. In 1987 the drug testing was still random and rare. don't make it sound like we were all tested, that is not true. There was no regular testing in the forces, it was random and rare. It wasn't till the 90s that we had a decent system in place for random testing. Are you saying that pilots had a different drug testing schedule?

[rasputin1952]

20. You were tested when you went in, everyone is...

Just give them a reason to suspect you, and you will get tested, beyond a random test. Your argument is vacuous.

[Skittles]

16. I was drug tested in the military in 1975

get YOUR facts straight

[DemoTex]

6. The big BOSSHOG is absolutely, 100%, correct.

And a good number of the slaughtered will be draftees. Thanks big BOSS. Tell it like it is brother!

Mac
RVN 70-71
Many friends chiseled in black stone.
Many more MIA
Kiss the Boys Good-by

[annabanana]

8. Not MY boys, damn it.............

Can't let this happen again. No.

[DemoTex]

14. No. You (we) must not let it happen again.

But it is happening.

[BOSSHOG]

10. Hello DemoTex

Turn the Chickenhawks loose and we will have a whopper of a Iraqi Memorial in Washington DC. If bush is reselected, construction won't be able to start for awhile. Just think, there is a modern day John O'Neill amongst the troops incubating to sabotage the truth 25 or 30 years down the road. And I served to defend his rights to do so.

[DemoTex]

13. Ain't it true brother.

Welcome home.

[DemoTex]

17. Dr. Mod, Dr. Mod! Paging Dr. Mod.

We need a tombstone stat on this thread.

[rasputin1952]

18. Speaking strictly as a member of Du and a Vet...

Some of you know me, and I will not go into detail except to state the following: I had my life saved by being in the Army, after being addicted to a substance. I came clean, and my BDE Cdr, a Bird Colonel, was the one who did it. He set me up w/rehab, and I am still alive today, because soldiers look out for their own when the chips are down. My honesty, and his integrity, saved me from an early, opiate induced grave.

I still weep when I think of the slaughter that our servicemembers face, for nothing more than the ego of bush. These are our brothers and sisters in arms, and those of us who have withstood the stress of being under fire, know that their bravery is unquestioned. What I pose as questions are simple: For those who are for this war, why are you NOT at a recruiter instead of here? If you are too old for military service, are you willing to sacrifice your childern on the altar of war?

If you are not now, jumping up to sign up, then sit down and shut up. My daughter was on USS Carl Vinson, the first strike left her decks. My daughter was sent into harms way, will you put your children there?
She did her duty, just as my brother and I did ours.

As for the second question; if you cannot bring youorself to ensure that YOUR children will not fight an eternal war, for something that may end in 20 years, then, by God, don't ask someone elses children to do it for you.

Thank you for reading this, and may the Good Lord protect our sons and daughters, till we bring them home alive and intact, (and I pray that is soon).


I will always love my fellow vets, just as I will always defend our nation. But only against its real enemies.

[Onlooker]

21. In the worst case ...

In the worst case, Bush would get us into war with North Korea and Iran, on top of Iraq and Afghanistan. This could easily cause a world war, with other conflicts turning into full-fledged wars. I don't think this scenario is that far-fetched. It's always possible that Bush's first term was designed to lay a groundwork for a far more dangerous second term.