Rebuttal to RNC video of Kerry vs. Kerry

[Roland99]

ONE: Claimed "I'll Never Give A Veto To Any Country Over Our Security." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Preemption Must Pass "Global Test" First. "No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

This is merely a misinterpretation of Kerry's statement.

Kerry never said he would cede the right to pre-emptively strike. What he's saying, if you'd bother to take off the partisan blinders, is that he would be sure the pre-emptive strike was necessary and could be justified before the country and the world. If a strike cannot be justified, it should not be made.

Kerry Would Wait On French And Russians To Defend America. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "I would have done what was necessary to know that you had exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/20/03)

And this means he'd cede our security to the French and the Russians? How? He was referring to Iraq. Iraq was NOT a threat to the U.S. NEVER was.


TWO: Claimed "Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein."(Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Kerry Said "Greatest Threat" Was Saddam's "Miscalculation," Not "Actual" WMDs. KERRY: "I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that - that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 9/15/02)

How about the rest of that quote, eh?

But I also think--and--and this is another very--you haven't heard this, I think, in the course of the last week, we cannot allow this discussion of Iraq to hide the original purpose of our mobilization, which is Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida, and we particularly cannot allow it to shift off of the debate in this country a huge number of unattended issues. Our economy is hurting badly.

THREE: Claimed "This President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error Of Judgment. And Judgment Is What We Look For In The President Of The United States Of America." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Kerry Questioned Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam's Capture Didn't Help U.S. Security. "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president."(CNN's "Capital Gang," 12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, "Dean Faces More Criticism," Newsday, 12/17/03)

Let's look at what has occurred between Kerry's remarks of 12/03 and those from last night's debate:

900 more American soldiers killed
Over 6,000 more American soldiers injured
Most of Iraq NOT under Iraqi government nor U.S. control
Insurgency gaining in size and strength
Abu Ghraib and other prisoner abuse cases destroy our "humanitarian credibility"
Reconstruction funds being diverted to being used for security.

So, Senator Kerry is 100% correct in stating last night that the President has engaged in a colossal error in judgment by not planning for the peace.


FOUR: Complained "We Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of The Cost: $200 Billion - $200 Billion That Could Have Been Used For Health Care, For Schools, For Construction, For Prescription Drugs For Seniors, And It's In Iraq." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Kerry Pledged To Fund Reconstruction With "Whatever Number" Of Dollars It Took. NBC'S TIM RUSSERT: "Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?" SEN. JOHN KERRY: "No. I think we should increase it." RUSSERT: "Increase funding?" KERRY: "Yes." RUSSERT: "By how much?" KERRY: "By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/31/03)

See previous remarks. We are blowing money left and right in wasted efforts to maintain the peace that should have been secured right after Baghdad fell.


FIVE: Claimed "You Don't Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That They Need." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Kerry Said It Would Be Reckless And "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding For Troops. LOS ANGELES TIMES' DOYLE McMANUS: "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" KERRY: "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they're on the right track. There's a way to do this properly. But I don't think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We're not going to cut and run and not do the job." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 9/14/03)

Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction Package That Included "Money For Body Armor For Soldiers." (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay; "Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03)

'"I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It,' Said."(Glen Johnson, "Kerry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops," The Boston Globe, 3/17/04)
This is probably the MOST egregious lie of the Bush campaign.

Bush was going to VETO the original version of the $87 billion funding bill because $20 billion was going to be made available only thru loans. Bush wanted all of the money spent as deficit spending. Kerry voted against the final version that represented fiscal irresponsibility and also failed to increase medical coverage for troops.

ALSO, and this is a big FACT ignored by the Bush fans, Bush should have avoided rushing into war until all of the troops were properly prepared and armed for an invasion. Even a full year after this vote, not all of the vehicles are armored and not all of the troops have their body armor. Soldiers' family and friends are buying body armor on their own and shipping it over to Iraq.


SIX: Said Americans In Iraq Not Dying For "Mistake." PBS' JIM LEHRER: "Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?" KERRY: "No, and they don't have to, providing we have the leadership that we put - that I'm offering." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Earlier In Debate, Kerry Called Iraq War "Mistake." "We can't leave a failed Iraq. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was."(Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

"But The President Made A Mistake In Invading Iraq." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Have to cede that one as a verbal gaffe of Kerry's. But, that's not really a big deal. Kerry is focused to finish the job properly. Something that Bush fails to see needs to be changed to end successfully.

Besides, if one wants to nit pick, what's an Iranian "moolah"? And, how much love did Bush give to that widow? And, what's a mexed missage?


SEVEN: Said Knowing What He Knows Now, "Would Not" Have Authorized Use Of Force. "What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are his words. Now, I would not." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Said Knowing What He Knows Now, "Would Have Voted For The Authority." SEN. JOHN KERRY: "Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it's the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively. I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has." (CNN's "Inside Politics," 8/9/04)

That first part does NOT say Kerry would NOT have voted for the authority to use force.

Kerry has been VERY consistent in his stance on the Iraq invasion in that:
1) He would have given diplomacy more time, including modifying sanctions as was recommended by Colin Powell.
2) He would have worked harder to get a true worldwide coalition as Bush, Sr. and James Baker did in 1990-1991
3) He would have given inspectors time to finish their job instead of yanking them out early and rushing off to invade.


EIGHT:Claimed "The President Says That I'm Denigrating These Troops. I Have Nothing But Respect For The British, Tony Blair, And For What They've Been Willing To Do." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Kerry Dismissed Coalition Partners As "Window Dressing" And Claimed They're Not Sharing Burden Of War And Reconstruction. CNN'S BILL HEMMER: "The White House would say that dozens of countries are helping now in the effort on the ground in Iraq and they are engaged with the U.N., as well, how would more international involvement prevent the violence we're seeing today?" SEN. JOHN KERRY: "Well, the fact is that those countries are really window dressing to the greatest degree. And they weren't there in the beginning when we went in, and they're not carrying the cost of this war." (CNN's "American Morning," 3/2/04)

That is not a contradiction at all.

1) Kerry respects what the other countries have brought to the table.
2) Kerry, however, realizes what they have brought is very minor compared to what the United States has put into place and sacrificed.

The problem is Bush failed to properly cull worldwide support in sharing the burden in terms of troops and in terms of money.


NINE: Claimed "I've Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam Hussein Was A Threat." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

Kerry Said, "We Now Know That Iraq Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, And Posed No Imminent Threat To Our Security." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04)

Again, Kerry is 100% consistent.

Yes, Saddam was a threat but he was NOT an imminent threat. Saddam did NOT need to be immediately removed from power. Our focus should have been on Osama bin Laden. bin Laden remains free 3 years after the 9/11 attacks.


TEN: Claimed "My Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat. He Needed To Be Disarmed." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

"Saying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn't Make It So." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks To Democrat National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/29/04)

"I Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction." (Fox News' "Fox News Sunday," 12/14/03)

Again, 100% consistent. Saddam needed to show proof he had disarmed. That's why the inspectors were in Iraq early last year. Bush removed the inspectors before their job was done.

[Gelliebeans]

1. great post

thanks :toast:

[Roland99]

2. Feel free to add content to the rebuttals

I'm always looking for constructive criticism. :)

[deckerd]

3. Methinks rebuttals is not the way to go. Hit him on "Mixed Messages"

And no, I'm not talking pronunciation. Steal the phrase right out
from under him, darn it. Rebuttals is defense. Go on the offense.

NEW AD: MIXED MESSAGES ON ________.

KERRY STATEMENT

BUSH REBUTTAL

STATEMENT WHICH CONTRADICTS BUSH REBUTTAL (except when Bush rebuttal
is asinine on its face, like "I'd like to know how my opponent plans
to pay for all that" -- in reference to port and domestic security!)

"President Bush is sending Mixed Messages to the American people."

Why have so few picked up on this?

[ncteechur]

4. 63 million people saw * make an ass of himself--rebuttals are too late

[Catfight]

5. Bush Mixed Message for me: I am a uniter. Homosexuals need to

be divided away from the rest of the population and excluded from the same rights.

Mixed Message: I am compassionate. I do not attend funerals, I do not let Americans see their dead soldiers come home. I laugh at executions. I alienate millions of people who don't believe in my religion. I turn my check to the lies my allies spew to my opponent.




I'll go on later.....Feel free to start a threat on this.