Bush won the debate with Kerry (couple of articles I found this morning)

[Kadie]

Bush won the debate with Kerry

Debra J. Saunders
Saturday, October 2, 2004


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I'LL CONCEDE, style counts. It was fair game for critics to say Democratic candidate Al Gore's demeanor defined his performance in the 2000 presidential debates. In that spirit, my verdict is: On the demeanor question, George W. Bush lost Thursday night. But he won on substance. You can count me in agreement with the 37 percent of Americans who told the CNN/Gallup poll that Bush got the better of John Kerry.

Kerry looked good and talked better. But every argument Kerry hurled against Bush also worked against Kerry.

Consider Kerry on the president's mistake in going after Saddam Hussein before capturing Osama bin Laden. Or, as Kerry intoned, "We can't leave a failed Iraq. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off Osama bin Laden." I reread Kerry's very long and also ponderous remarks before he voted in favor of the October 2002 resolution authorizing force in Iraq. Kerry never mentioned Osama bin Laden. (Is that the fault of Bush, too?)

And it's an odd omission considering the Kerry pose as international know- it-all, who ostensibly sees international affairs with a clarity sorely missing in Bush.


more...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/10/02/EDG8E92FVG1.DTL



MJC (Modesto Junior College) speech expert says Bush won, but votes won't change

By ROGER W. HOSKINS
BEE STAFF WRITER


Last Updated: October 1, 2004, 04:56:00 AM PDT


Scoring the presidential debate as he would a parliamentary contest between college students, Charles B. Ewing said he believed President Bush won in a big way Thursday evening.

Ewing, the director of forensic speech at Modesto Junior College and a Republican, also said winning the debate probably wouldn't make an iota of difference on Election Day. "I haven't heard one new thing," he said. "This has all been in the news before.

"When (then-MJC instructor) Randy Siefkin and I combined three classes before the Bush-Gore debate (in 2000), we tested who people were inclined to vote for both before and after the debate," recalled Ewing. "There was no change in the two polls. People came to cheer, not to be informed."

Ewing did say that the two candidates Thursday clearly defined their differences and that undecided voters should have been able to find the candidate who most closely reflected their core values on defense and national security.

more...
http://www.modbee.com/2004/election/story/9223976p-10124728c.html

:shrug: Did they televise more than one speech?

[Lord_StarFyre]

1. Charles B Ewing?

"Ewing, the director of forensic speech at Modesto Junior College and a Republican" AND a FREEPER (Probably)

That line tells you all you need to know.

Rule 1: Republicans are Liars

Rule 2: If any Doubt, refer to rule 1

[captainjack]

2. this guy is a retard

"Scoring the presidential debate as he would a parliamentary contest between college students, Charles B. Ewing said he believed President Bush won in a big way Thursday evening."

Um, Charles, do you realize that there's a difference between COLLEGE debates and PRESIDENTIAL debates? Who the HELL is this guy to say who the hell won in a presidential debate when he's go no goddamned experience with that. Stupid freeping freeper motherfreeping freepwhores.

ANYONE HERE IN A MURDEROUS MOOD?

[Mizmoon]

3. He's wrong

It was widely reported that if the debate was scored like a debate contest, Kerry won hands down.

[Joylaughter]

4. Abra Cadabra

Nevermind what you saw. Hocus Pocus * wins again!

[gardenista]

5. Modesto Junior College! Move over everybody, there's a new player

in da house!

[Sparkly]

6. The first one is outrageous

Nowhere in the IWR does it mention withdrawing troops or special ops from Afghanistan in order to go into Iraq. Why on earth should Kerry have mentioned that in his "ponderous" remarks in 2002? Who could have believed the Chimp would actually take the focus off Afghanistan as he did?

As for Kerry never 'mentioning' Bin Laden in that particular speech, he mentions 9/11 in the 8th sentence. As the person writing that piece knows (from reading it, supposedly), he also warned against going in only for regime change or to enforce resolutions, and spoke insistently on the process of engaging allies -- entirely consistent with what he's said since and his criticism in Thursday night's debate.

Anybody would have to be dishonest or just plain stupid to think Kerry didn't win that debate handily.

[MallRat]

7. They had to find a GOP Junior College professor to get a "Bush won" story.

Think about that.

:-)

[PsN2Wind]

8. You just can't argue with an instructor

at Modesto Junior College. Now if it was a professor from Harvard, Princeton or one of those other nondescript, backwater schools with lower standards of admission, it would be a different matter but we have to acknowledge that MJC has only the cream-of-the-crop.