"What I think troubles a lot of people in this country

[jacksonian]

is that this President just described one type of mistake, but what he says is even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection to Al Qaida, he still would have done everything the same way. Those are his words. Now I would not. So what I am trying to do is just talk the truth to the American people and to the world. Truth is what good policy is based on, what leadership is based on."

- John F. Kerry 9/30/2004 (emphasis mine)

What was the one type of mistake Bush described? In Bush's own words:

"Because since we achieved such a rapid victory, more of the Saddam loyalists were around, in other words, we thought we'd have more of them going in. But because Tommy Franks did such a great job in planning the operations, we moved rapidly and a lot of the Baathist and Saddam loyalists laid down their arms and disappeared. We thought they would stay and fight. We're fighting them now."

Despite getting the words victory and good job into his remarks like a good propagandist, what he described was an admission of grossly bad planning and incompetence. He sounds like a old-world general complaining the other side didn't line up in the field at the appointed time. The enemy met overwhelming force with guerrilla tactics - in the Middle East, no less - who would have thought it? And the contingency was what?

Truth is what good policy is based on, amen. Tell that to anyone who thinks Bush won the debate.

[movonne]

1. The trouble with the people of this country, a large amount are morons.

[Jokinomx]

2. My thoughts exactly....

Smirky Smurf is just a fool .. and anybody that doesn't see that is one also. A local television station out of Grand Rapids Michigan interviewed a supposed "Undecided" voter after the debate. She ADMITTED that Kerry did a better job ...BUT she was going to vote for chimp anyway.

Now how do you call yourself an undecided when you admit who the winner is and still vote for the loser. These people are just idiots....it really pissed me off that this station would go on the air calling her an undecided!!

Anyway... you make a great point....I can't wait for round two..!!

:kick:

[Owlet]

3. What does the word "victory" mean

...in relation to Iraq? Some common definitions of the word are:

1. Defeat of an enemy or opponent.
2. Success in a struggle against difficulties or an obstacle.
3. The state of having triumphed.

Doesn't seem to me that any of those fit the present situation. Talk of victory and 'winning' seem out of synch with what we hope to accomplish over there. Without a clear idea of just what it is that we hope to accomplish, it seems to me that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to talk about winning unless we know what it is we want to win.

Just semantics? I don't think so, but I'm ready to be persuaded otherwise.