Freeper frenzy over new Prez poll numbers

[wyldwolf]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233524/posts

Regardless, this is terrible news. The last Newsweek Poll had Bush ahead of Kerry 52-41, so their bias should be the same in both polls. This is bad news.

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Tne infamous Dick Morris blames Bush's handlers...saying they convinced GWB not to be too harsh on Kerry so he wouldn't alienate voters (especially women voters).

[WI_DEM]

1. I especially liked the comment "another nice mess Bush got us in"

It's interesting how similar they are to us regarding polls. We don't trust Newsweek and they don't either!! But I'll take it.

[Skittles]

2. lord, trying to follow conversation in that piece of shit website

someone give me a Tylenol, please

[ixion]

14. no doubt

their board is a quagmire. :evilgrin:

[yardwork]

41. My teen sons diss FR endlessly - and they don't even read there

They say that the site looks awful.

"That site has bad HTML," my son sniffed. And that was his last word on the subject.

[PermanentRevolution]

47. No joke...

That site looks like it was written by a four-year-old. I guess all the talented webmasters are Democrats.

[medeak]

3. "Bush is going to blow it again"

too rich.. thanks for making my day.

[drdon326]

69. He was talking about doing COKE again...

cant get enough of that nose candy , chimpy.

[cheshire]

4. Sweet sounds of wailing coming from the right.

[KC21304]

5. Start spreading the word.

Which Bush is going to show up for the second debate ? You know the drill.

[deckerd]

61. Which * indeed? Mixed Signals from *.

Bush's only bright spot is the second debate. He may not be capable of winning on substance, as we now know, but Americans still like how comfortable and ill-at-ease -- um, I mean, at-ease he is in a crowd.

Bush is a "man of the people", you have to give him that. Without that, where would he be? He'd look just like his father, that's what.

The town hall format was truly a charitable gesture on Kerry's part. :evilgrin:

Read my lips: no Mexed Missages!

[Mz Pip]

6. I saw Morris

on O'Reilly last week and watched for about 5 minutes while Morris tried to convince O'Reilly that all Bush needed to do was practice a little more. That he really is a smart guy and could beat Kerry if he just practiced and memorized his answers more.

It was truly pathetic. Morris looked so sad and apologetic.

MzPip
:dem:

[saracat]

20. Bye, Bye turncoat Morris. He turned on Clinton

and now Karma is about to bite him in the ass!

[WoodrowFan]

22. don't you mean

karma is about to bite Morris in the TOE??? :P

[deckerd]

62. The Heartbreak of Morriasis (n/t)

[private_ryan]

37. he's so smart

he needs to memorize better. Hahahaha

[DaveOinSF]

38. I'll take it

If Morris was out there raising Bush's expectations, maybe he's actually just a deep mole planted by the Democrats?

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

45. Memorize his answers?

Heh heh. Ain't that sending "mixed signals"? How does he memorize his answer's when he isn't supposed to know the questions?

[randr]

7. If B* had tried to be harsh on Kerry

he would have had to answer some of Kerry's charges.
Now that I would love to have seen!

[saracat]

8. Love the ones in denial. Why should Kerry be in the lead? Bush did very

well in the debate! Chalk one up for a kool aid drinker!

[Ducks In A Row]

13. Near the end of the thread, one wonders if Dems overpolled

no, you stupid little freepers over there at freeperland.

this poll more than likely overpoll Reps and shrub is still a loser.

ha ha hah aha

[saracat]

19. And don't you love that they think it was a Morris strategy

that was misplayed as opposed to Bush being the idiot he is?
He's not stupid.It was bad advice. Geez. They are all like him. He might have lost(which some don't admit) but it wasn't his fault. no accountability. The buck stops with Morris! We are a real contrast. Look how many of us jumped Gore for not fighting back. They are delusional.

[gordianot]

9. Been looking at Freeperville.

Things got a little depressing around here last month. (I am still a newbie) Nothing like freeperville is today. In a way it is a little sad. That is my last pity line.

For the Freepers the sky is falling. * did melt down. I was going to work phones for Kerry in November, think I will donate some more money (who needs Christmas around here this year). Thank you for a wonderful day Freepers. And Merry Christmas.

[Ducks In A Row]

10. Does Newsweek poll more Republicans than they should too?

because that makes the poll results even better.

[TheWebHead]

11. Dems slightly more in internals...

http://prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-02-2004/0002263797&EDATE=

N = 1,013 Registered Voters
Margin of error: plus or minus 4
Interviewing dates: September 30-October 2, 2004 (interviewing on 9/30
limited to the Pacific and Mountain time zones after the presidential
debate concluded)

SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR TOTAL ADULTS:
1,144 Total adults (plus or minus 3)

SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR REGISTERED VOTERS SUBGROUPS:
1,013 Total Registered voters (plus or minus 4)

481 Men (plus or minus 5)
532 Women (plus or minus 5)

345 Republicans (plus or minus 6)
364 Democrats (plus or minus 6)
278 Independents (plus or minus 7)

SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR DEBATE VIEWERS SUBGROUPS:
770 Debate viewers (those who say they watched at least some of the
debate) (plus or minus 4.1)

369 Men (plus or minus 6)
401 Women (plus or minus 6)

265 Republicans (plus or minus 7)
274 Democrats (plus or minus 7)
215 Independents (plus or minus 8)

[yardwork]

43. I really don't trust Newsweek, or any poll except Zogby and a few others

I think that their methodology is highly suspect and some of them - Gallup for one - deliberately skew their models to give customers what they want.

I just don't pay much attention to any polls at all. I'm sure that Kerry's team is doing their own private polling and they are using the reliable information from those.

I'm going to keep working and fighting for Kerry as if he were 20 points down in the polls. My personal belief is that he is going to win in an electoral landslide, but I won't celebrate until he is sworn into office.

[Hot Water]

52. Pretty much.

Because all polling companies basically use the exit polling data from the last election, and they factor in a "normalizing." That's their home concocted version of trying to account for things that may have tilted their poll to be off without these guess factors thrown in.

And simply, more Republicans voted last year than Dems. So that's what they're using. But Zogby has his own secret formula which doesn't do that, and he's almost always right on the money.

In fact other pollsters don't like him very much. He was the first one to ridicule the polls right after the Republican convention. And was he right? You bet he was.

[RoadRunner]

12. "You might be witnessing the biggest political choke in history"

so says a freeper named Courage.

and then there's this:

"Bush left us with this mess. We now have to do whatever we can for what will probably be only a close win instead of a complete rout of the entire democrat establishment."

So sad to see freepers in anquish, baaaahaaaahaaaa...

[gordianot]

18. Isn't that wonderful?

You are right this is big and will get bigger. I went to the shooting range today. Yes, I am a liberal Democrat who likes guns. The NRA crowd are about to cry over * miserable showing. I am astounded.

[Brundle_Fly]

21. IT'S

It's hard work.


hahaha

[sugarcookie]

34. "GRIM FREEPER CLUB"

how funny.....

[snowbear]

56. LOL..

"Grim Freepers".. Now that is FUNNY! :evilgrin:

[pinkpops]

15. golly wolly gosh freeper fellers what do you expect with an

idiot for a candidate? Did you suppose the audience was going to break the rules and laugh at his clever quips ("mah opponent cant make up his mind. why don't he debate hisself?") ?

[durablend]

24. Freeper idiots seemed to forget...

No APPLAUSE sign to prompt the audience!

[pinkpops]

31. I think their boy forgot too. He was stuck up there wishing he

was reading My Pet Goat.

[PermanentRevolution]

49. Now, in all fairness...

It's THE Pet Goat, not My Pet Goat.

Other than that, spot-on!

[Clinton Crusader]

16. new logo for freeperville...

:kick:

[karlrschneider]

23. Sorry to digress, but did they ever find the painting?

:eyes:

[salinen]

17. A freepturd called us

deathocrats. O sure we are. Conservatives are peaceful, tranquil types.

[evilqueen]

28. shyeah, right...

Ain't it funny how we Democrats always have to go in and fight their wars for them, though? They are "wannabe patriots" and I challenge every one of them to go sign up at their local recruiter office. I've served my time already. I am a disabled vet. Their turn now.

Go on, freepers, go enlist. Prove you aren't just hot air.

[Longhorn]

53. Thank you for your service and sacrifice!

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[xyboymil]

25. There such f'ing idiots! There quoting the Rasmussen poll which ...

while it came out today, polled voters from Wed-to Friday. Only a 1/3 of those polled were after the debate occured.

LOL..nothing like hanging on to desperation. :evilgrin:

[jefferson_dem]

26. "We have Bush to thank for this one."

Looks like some Freepers are ready to string up ol' chimpy!

"We have Bush to thank for this one. He could have finished Kerry the other night.

Instead we now have giddy Eleanor Clift, Terry McAuliffe and the hordes of democrats on the attack.

Bush left us with this mess. We now have to do whatever we can for what will probably be only a close win instead of a complete rout of the entire democrat establishment.

Another fine mess Bush has gotten us into."

14 posted on 10/02/2004 1:51:20 PM PDT by putupjob
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[Cha]

32. Do they live in dream world

or what?

[AnIndependentTexan]

27. These idiots are in such denial

44 posted on 10/02/2004 1:57:46 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
Go away disCOURAGE. No one wants to hear your DU spew.
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48 posted on 10/02/2004 1:58:04 PM PDT by HoundsTooth_BP
I don't put much faith in polls. I guess there are a few fencesetters that jump side to side, but I am not one of them. I was for President Bush before the debate and I will be for President Bush after the debates. I figure the Kerry people feel the same way. Besides President Bush did very well in the debate, so why should Kerry be catching up?
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52 posted on 10/02/2004 1:58:41 PM PDT by MNJohnnie
Oct 1 The Wall Street Journal "Best of the Web"
BY JAMES TARANTO


Kerry Wins? Maybe Not.
The conventional wisdom is that John Kerry "won" the debate. We certainly agree that he performed well. In contrast with his hapless recent efforts at the convention and on the stump, he came across as poised, confident and even reasonably disciplined verbally. And he toned down the defeatism on Iraq.

But in a postdebate Gallup poll, although a majority (53%) thought Kerry "did a better job in the debate" than Bush (37%), the results of more specific questions look better for the president:

Kerry Bush
Expressed himself more clearly 60% 32%
Had a good understanding of the issues 41% 41%
Agreed with you more on the issues you care about 46% 49%
Was more believable 45% 50%
Was more likable 41% 48%
Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job 37% 54%

It may turn out that Kerry impressed voters with his skills as a debater--looking "almost senatorial," as ScrappleFace.com puts it-- but fell short of persuading them that he'd be a better president than the incumbent.
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53 posted on 10/02/2004 1:58:55 PM PDT by Rome2000
Where do you get your numbers from
The same place all the other enemy propgandists do.

Post first presidential debate polls in 2000 showed Al Gore leading George W. Bush by a range of percentage points from 3% to 12%.

Make no mistake about it, a vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorists.
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54 posted on 10/02/2004 1:58:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
Newsweek!? I don't believe it.
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55 posted on 10/02/2004 1:59:23 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
Remember, overpolling Democrats could make the poll seem closer.
It could be a deliberate MSM attempt to give a bounce to Kerry.

If I remember correctly, Newsweak was oversampling Republicans in their polls since the RNC. Many predicted they would then go back to their usual oversampling of Democrats in order to claim "Kerry is surging" or that "Kerry is the comeback kid".
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58 posted on 10/02/2004 1:59:30 PM PDT by Jewels1091
This makes me sick!!!! Lord, Bush just HAS to win!!!
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59 posted on 10/02/2004 1:59:45 PM PDT by Enlightiator
Kerry wins debate, Kerry is presidental, Kerry is winning in the polls. Kerry loses the election, end of story.>
LOL, well said. They get to have their fantasy for a few more days.

[Placebo]

29. I am still going to act like we ARE NOT ahead in the polls.

Absolutely no reason to get the least bit comfortable until I see Kerry's hand on that bible January 20th.

[bigpathpaul]

30. I completely agree. Beware of a fickle public and unpredictable media.

I think we need to fight every day like it's critical because it is. A lot can happen in four weeks. We should use all the momentum we now have because especially with this media, things have a tendency to swing quite a bit.

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[Arkana]

48. Right with you.

Complacency is our BIGGEST enemy right now. Sure, we stomped Dumbya once, but there is NEVER a way to tell what will happen later. We cannot rest on temporary laurels.

[deckerd]

63. In any case, * is almost certain to walk off with the townhall debate

Good thing it won't matter on election day. But you have to give * credit, nobody is more relaxed, at-ease and "in his element" than Bush is when he's interacting with average, uncommitted citizens. The man is truly unflappable in a crowd. If even one person has the guts to actually criticize Bush, I will be amazed. :-)

[PermanentRevolution]

50. Absolutely

I've said all along, act like we're ten points behind, no matter what. Now that we've got the momentum, it's time to kick this into overdrive and campaign like never before. One More Month!

[calimary]

54. Great photo!

Where'd it come from?

Looks like he really loves her. But then again, who wouldn't?

[mumon]

33. I collected some snippets of sanity over at my blog...

either that or they've been massively infiltrated. :evilgrin:

[Cooley Hurd]

35. To FreeRepublic members: must SUCK to be on the wrong side of history!

:7

I've always thought how bad it must've sucked for run-of-the-mill nazis after WW2 - to have supported the wrong side! Trust me... history books will be FULL of what we all know now as the BFEE.:thumbsup:

[deckerd]

64. The political graveyards are full of indispensible people n/t

[jacksonian]

36. trips to freeperland always get me

one guy in that thread is trying to get a mother of a soldier in Iraq to change her vote. His logic? I quote:

"far more people died in traffic accidents in the US, than the number of soldier died in Iraq during the same time.

"U.S. highway deaths down in 2003 to 42,643"

ergo, he is safer in Iraq than he would be here. It's what the poster said, I kid you not.

[SayitAintSo]

39. My Repug father used the same line on me ...no kidding

It must be the puke talking points....makes no sense... laughable...

[Zen Democrat]

57. Came from Brit Hume.

[nightperson]

58. I've posted before about the amazing yearly number of highway deaths!

Compare 42,000 U.S. highway deaths each year to these U.S. war death totals. :shrug:

[nightperson]

40. Oh no, Rove is under suspicion!

"And who set him up to tire himself out at the disaster site before the debate? Rove.

Maybe Rove slipped him some kind of drug to make him disoriented, too.

I'm starting to smell a fat pig of a rat."

"Bush was set up.

The goddamn campaign manager set him up."

"There is duplicity and treason within the Bush campaign.

Nothing else would explain the over-tiredness and under-preparedness of our President.

Nothing. Not all the spin of all the spiders on the internet."

"Something was done to him. He was sabotaged. He was systematically under-prepped and over-cautioned and obviously over-tired.

Kerry has billions.

Rove sold our President down the river for a swiftboat load of cash."

Check out the recent posts from old member samtheman!

[Arugula Latte]

44. It creeps me out when people call him "our president."

He's not even "the president" to me.

He's a piece of shit. He's an arrogant little prick. He's an angry troll. He's a squatter in our White House. He's a miserable failure. But he ain't my president. Never was. Never will be.

[PopSixSquish]

55. A Therapist Could Make a Lot of Money on That Guy

That's three minutes of my life that will haunt me forever. Very scary.

[deckerd]

66. Y'know the guys a slimeball when they turn on him faster than we do n/t

[Gore1FL]

67. I think

The forgot to give him his ritalin.

[DaveinMD]

42. internals still slightly off

so we are actually winning by more.

[iwantmycountryback]

46. It's amazing how they dismiss Newsweek as partisan blah blah blah

I wonder if they were crying that much when they showed Bush up by 11.

[Cozmosis]

51. Freepers

bahahahaa

[unkachuck]

59. it's starting to reflect personally on bush supporters....

.....I went over to that anti-cosmic, anti-matter, freeper site and got myself some giggles.....

.....but earlier in the day, I was talking with my son-in-law (a conservative, lawyer, fundie and bush supporter) and asked him what he thought of the debate.....he wouldn't say Kerry did good, but for the first time, he didn't blindly defend bush either....

.....I continued, "you're an educated man, you've seen the debate, how can you support a man with so little intellectual ability for the presidency of the United States?'.....he just turned away.....

It's must be getting harder and harder for those who consider themselves educated and conservative, to be a bush supporter.....

[George_S]

60. They're funny when they get freaky

Anyone notice the constant mention of realclearpolitics.com?

The site tries to appear non-partisan, but could they be friends of rathergate.com?

A trace route of realclearpolitics.com hedges at

216.164.99.182

Before it finishes hopping to realclearpolitics.com on the next hop.

And guess what, rathergate.com resolves to 216.66.28.40.

Coincidence?

And how come a whois of 216.164.99.182 doesn't work?

In short, it looks like realclearpolitcs.com is more repub spin machine. Heh, no wonder they whine about the polls.

Projection!

[RebelOne]

65. This is strange. I keep getting the message

that the Free Republic web site can't be found when I click on the link. I have even tried typing it into the browser and get the same message. I put in a search in AOL and a lot of links came up, but when I clicked on them, I still got the same message.

[AnIndependentTexan]

68. yes I'm not the only one! Maybe the Freepers gave up.

They couldn't handle the defeat of Bush so they gave up. We haven't had any massive suicide reports have we?

[RebelOne]

70. Glad it's not just me.

For a while, I thought my computer just didn't want to go there.