Cheney will destroy Edwards!

[Sandpiper]

Dick has such gravitas, and Edwards, he's just a ... trial lawyer.

We should be very worried about Tuesday.

(Was that convincing, or was it too much?)

[spooky3]

1. Johnny has no chance. He's too young, too much of a nice guy.

A reaaallll lightweight.

Know whut ah mean?

[eleny]

2. And we know how Edwards hates sitting down and speaking

It throws him off completely! :scared:

[tjdee]

12. It's a SIT DOWN???

Oh lord that throws Johnny Reid right off.
:scared:

[beaconess]

3. Edwards is - what - like 30 or something?

How could he possible hold his own with Cheney?

[RememberWellstone]

4. No way!

John is a lawyer with lawyer skills, he will make Cheney look like the old goat that he is. LOL! I am excited now to see some real life in the campaign.

[Sandpiper]

5. Shhhhhh!!!!

We're trying to lower expectations for Edwards.

[Piperay]

6. YES, uncle dickie

will mop up the floor with Edwards. ;-)

[goodwalt]

7. Too much

This is going to look like Kennedy vs. Nixon's older brother. I'm half expecting Cheney to back out for "health reasons", or get out of it early by grabbing his chest and rolling around on stage.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

18. Ahnuld would grab someone else's chest and roll around on stage.

Wait-he already did that!

(OK. I admit Captain Beefcake burns me because he's now my guv AND he's on the Terminator pinball machine at my laundromat.)

[RevCheesehead]

56. Put a Kerry sticker on that pinball machine!

It will either give everyone a laugh,
or, they will remove it (the machine, hopefully!)

[skygazer]

8. Cheney has so much experience

Yes, I'm afraid his experience will make John Edwards' youth that much more apparent.

[Overseas]

60. Yeah, that's right-- How will Johnny Compete ?

I mean, gee, Dick was Secretary of Defense and nimbly guided our national defense toward privatization. Then he made sure things in the private sector went well, too, by joining Halliburton at the demanding post of CEO, and then, when called upon to serve, he sacrificed for his country again. He assumed the role of Vice President to guide our nation further into the promised land of privatization, with only his little tax cut and paltry retirement package to comfort him in the stressful, misunderstood career of war profiteering... Helping America by helping its Private Pioneers... Striking out to chart new territory -- bravely confidently assuring disbelievers that the bounty would trickle down since the 1980's... What a guy... What complex experience... Public sector, private sector, and privatization of the public sector! How will Eddie compete with that ???

[October]

9. almost had me

:)

[Kukesa]

10. And Edwards is an ambulance chaser to boot.

He uses good grammar and doesn't use obscenities; no chance for him to beat Dick.

<sarcasm off>

[tjdee]

11. Cheney has such great control of the facts, he's so confident...

Edwards is just an empty suit with a cute face.

A really really cute face.

[MODemocrat]

59. Cheney is so honest and forthcoming

That's really going to make Edwards look bad. How intimidating.

:scared:

[despairing optimist]

13. Make way for Raging Bull Cheney

As long as his pacemaker's fully charged, he's a veritable steamroller. Such a dynamic speaking style, too.

I'm more concerned that the October surprise will be Cheney dropping out for "health reasons," or because he realizes that he needs to spend more time with his family and prepare for the Rapture. Then good ol' boy John McCain will climb aboard the Straight Talk Express for one more tour. Maybe John Boy can drop him off somewhere.

[gauguin57]

31. I'm hoping the Edwards campaign will request a microwave oven

in the debate room. Cheney's pacemaker will have him bouncing off the walls like a Roomba vacuum.

[spooky3]

32. ROFLMAO!

[RobinA]

61. I'm Thinking

Edwards should just yell "Booo" at an opportune moment.

[saracat]

14. What the "Breck Girl " against the old war horse ?

You've got to be kidding. Cheney will mop the floor with Pretty Boy Edwards ! Good enuf?

[LordshipLadyship]

15. Cheney will destroy Edwards!

I want to be able to watch three screens during the debate. Edwards, Cheney, and Cheney's medical telemetry--

Uh I mean yes, poor Edwards..;-)

[RetroLounge]

16. Edwards will wilt away under the power of the Cheney Sneer

He hasn't got a chance...

RL

[no name no slogan]

17. Only if he uses the WMD they found in Iraq (n/t)

[Southsideirish]

19. "Beauty vs. beast"? Edwards hasn't a chance in hell of defeating

the mighty Cheeney.

[skooooo]

20. WHY DID KERRY PICK EDWARDS??!!!!!

[JKiG]

21. This VP debate may help swing the election

With the huge momentum shift from the first Presidential debate, John Edwards needs to drill home some key topics.

The fact that this debate takes place in Cleveland magnifies its importance. There will be a lot of local television coverage in that area. For Kerry to take Ohio he needs strong voter turnout in the Cleveland area.

For Edwards to build momentum he needs to pound home that Bush’s policies in Iraq have failed, and that the Presidents litmus test for leadership, “steadfast unwavering” is headed right over a cliff.

He needs to make Cheney either take back his claim that Kerry would get us attacked, or make him stick to his absurd position.

Bush had nothing of substance to say during the first debate. He looked arrogant and angry. If Edwards can get under Cheney’s skin it will make W’s irritation look mild, and that just may be the beginning of the end for the BA.

[spooky3]

28. welcome to DU, JKiG!

Help us play the lowered expectations game, if you want to.

[JKiG]

29. Thanks for the welcome

What game is that? To paraphrase Kerry, you got to turn into your enemy and attack, seize the momentum.

This thing could go either way right now, but the potential for a blowout is huge. Bush needs to go. Even the Republicans know it.

[spooky3]

30. It's been the observation of many politicos that the key to

winning the "media spin" on the debates is to set expectations for one's own candidate very low before the debate. For example, in 2000, most people thought Gore would beat Bush in the debates. Yet the media seemed to set two different standards for them, a much lower one for Bush. Because Bush was expected to do poorly, the fact that he showed up without stumbling onto the stage and completed whole sentences was treated as a victory. So, we've decided if that's the way the game must be played, we'll help out. You'll see a lot of posts here setting the bar comfortably low for our boy John Edwards. Tongue-in-cheek, you know?

[gordianot]

45. Welcome to DU

I was new last month. Great to join in, there are a lot of great people here.

This is a lowered expectation link. There are some Freepers out there so stupid they may think it is for real.

:hi:

[newyawker99]

39. Hi JKiG!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[The Traveler]

22. Edwards is a nice kid

going up against the Dark Lord of the Republican Sith, Dick Cheney. Cheney eats nice little guys like Edwards for breakfast and throws the bones to his lap dog, W. Possessor of the most potent mind of the 20th and 21st centuries, it was he who first discerned the secret code within Strauss' explication of the secret code within Plato's writings. Plunging deep into the dark sewers of human thought, he rose at last triumphantly to the surface bearing the Sacred Turd of the Philosophers ... and gave us the wisdom of PNAC.

Against such an intellect, against the sheer power of the man's personality, Edwards simply stands no chance. Because of the purity of potency of his bodily essences, Cheney's virility will overpower the petty pretty boy lawyer. Women will swoon or throw their panties at him. Men will fall down upon their knees in awe.

All liberals will run in dismay from his wrath. His minions shall run us down, place collars around our necks and force us to submit to his Dark Lady, Ann Coulter while baying like the unpatriotic dogs we are.

This debate must be stopped, else we face a disaster of Biblical proportions! Is there no way to call it off??? Will not Edwards show some common sense and simply hide??????

[GingerSnaps]

34. Edwards is in his early 50's he's no kid!

[The Traveler]

35. (**shhhhhhh***)

We're trying to build an anti-myth here. oolkay-it-ay.

;)

[GingerSnaps]

42. I know

LOL

[RevCheesehead]

58. I can't believe any cat would put up with that!

[dflprincess]

37. Edwards is three weeks older than me

which makes him 51. Personally, I love it when he's called a kid and young.

[The Traveler]

43. Yer just a waif ....

:)

[Demi_Babe]

23. poor Edwards

;-)

[Bongo Prophet]

24. Expectations game vs framing issues

I appreciate the expectations game, like a drinking game or such.
Simple and silly.

i did read an interesting bit on Hesiod's Counterspin Central on framing issues as a part of expectations game. This raised some good points. So I thought I'd share.

The basic idea is to not just frame expectations by praising the opponent/downplaying you own (everybody is on to that , so much so that it's now a joke) but to frame issues and hurdles that the opponent must pass in order to succeed. If he doesn't, then he has clearly failed.

So for instance, Dick cheney has severe credibility issues regarding halliburton's crooked books and sweetheart deals BOTH while he was CEO AND now in Iraq. If he cannot PROVE to the American people that these charges are meritless, then the American People will NOT be able to trust him going forward.
(This is a rough idea that could be much better.)

We have seen both the GOP and mediahos use this. Kerry had to do XYZ or he waas toast at the 1st debate. When he passed those and bush floundered, they changed their script to say that it didn/t matter and the debate wasn;t the crucial turning point they had just described less than 2 hours earlier, but a blip on the radar. Their slip was showing, and they looked a bit embarassed. Reps response was of course to attack "vociferociously" in rabid dog fascion, as is their style.

Anyway, it's halfway down the page, along with some other interesting thoughts. If it gives anyone ideas for LTTEs or such, please share.

[yardwork]

25. Cheney is the second-greatest debater that ever lived

Cheney has never lost a debate. Many of Cheney's former opponents simply conceded the race to him after their debates.

Edwards is terribly young and inexperienced. I can't remember what he did before being senator, but I doubt it had anything to do with public speaking or persuading people. Edwards has stage fright. He freezes up when he has to talk to people.

This is going to be terrible. I don't know if I can watch.

[Liberal_Andy]

26. too much!

Edwards will :smoke: Cheney

[gypsyangel]

27. All this misunderestimating.

[gordianot]

47. This is a fun thread.

They are playing this with sarcasm.

I was new last month. Welcome to DU.:hi:

[Zen Democrat]

33. Is Edwards old enough to vote?

[ShaneGR]

36. Dick Cheney... Master Debator

Edwards is dead, no question!

[Politicub]

38. He will wipe the floor with Edwards I'm afraid

Cheney takes no punches in a debate. I'm sure Edwards will try his hardest, but it's going to be tough to beat the master!

[UrbScotty]

40. Cheney will do to Edwards what Faircloth did to him in 1998.

Faircloth wiped Edwards clean in the debate and trounce him in the elec-

Or not.

[snowbear]

41. VP debate

Cheney will be wetting his Depends.. :bounce:

[Maestro]

44. As I posted earlier

he will definitely win the "who looks better in drag" award.



or



No contest. Cheney has better facial tones, fashion sense and hair.

[Fleshdancer]

46. I AGREE!

I mean, it's Dick Cheney for cryin' out loud! Who DOESN'T know how great of a speaker that man is?? I can't stand him, I think he's wrong on every issue except gay rights, but I've got to give him his communication props.

And Edwards? Who is this guy? I know nothing about him. He looks young though...that can't be good. I know he use to be a lawyer. He's probably boring.

[unkachuck]

48. it was convincingly too much.....

Edwards will do ok up against Cheney.....all he has to do is hold his own.....people don't vote for VP, they vote for the Prez....

.....besides, the better Cheney performs, the dumber Bush will seem....

[Cha]

49. As long as cheney

doesn't tell Edwards to go fuck himself..he'll do fine.:evilgrin:

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

50. Oh God, you're right

Cheney is smarter and better looking, and rumor has it that by Tuesday he will have a full, lush head of hair.

[Fleshdancer]

52. ROFLMAO! n/t

[lojasmo]

51. Edwards won't do well with fat, balding, evil males N/T

[Maiden England]

53. wow, I didn't even know Cheney could smile

if he flashes that winning grin, Edwards is toast, he can't flash those teeth anywhere near as masterfully as Cheney can.....

I also think the wig thing really works for him...

[mbee]

54. Cheney has approval ratings of 28% or something so I would advise

Edwards to just speak to the other 72% and and tell them what "hard work" Cheney had to do with Haliburton

[Dr Fate]

55. Everyone knows Edwards gets by only on his energy & positive attitude

Amercians dont respond well to that when it is held up Cheney's aging wisdom and somber tone.

Edwards wins or "ties" by default if he can appear to have half as much know-how as Cheney...

[gardenista]

57. I know, Kerry should have picked McCain. Having McCain in your court

is like having a case of herpes. It's not there all the time, but when it's there, you damn well know it!

[Thrill]

62. Are the questions on

Foreign Policy or the Economy?