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southern democrat Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:39 PM
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Did anyone else watching the debate get the impression that
Bush was nearly begging to get re-elected?
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drunkendeserter Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:41 PM
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1. I think even he..
is starting to realize how bad he has *ucked up this country
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:42 PM
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4. I read him to be demanding. Refusing reality again and still
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 08:42 PM by Vincardog
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:45 PM
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7. I don't think so.
I think he's oblivious thought I DON'T think even he believes his bullshit anymore.

But I have a hard time believing he knows how much he has messed things up. His denial is too strong.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:05 PM
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17. Having the lemmings follow him anywhere and everywhere
probably had that effect. Gave him a false sense of confidence in his own judgment.

On top of that he had GOD working through him.

Leading the sheeple while doing God's work...now that's one hard job.



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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:09 PM
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19. I have had almost the exact opposite reaction.
I think he actually doesn't realize how bad he has f'ed it up.

I know he supposedly lives in a bubble, but I guess I wanted to believe that was just a caricature, and that he's another Nixon, putting on a game face while behind closed doors he knows we're in real trouble.

In the debates, he struck me as a person who honestly does not believe that Iraq is a disaster, someone who honestly believes that we can get the job done with just a little bit of "hard work".
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:42 PM
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2. Definitely!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:42 PM
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3. In his closing statement, he kinda did.
I didn't see him begging through the debate. I just saw an incompetent man trying and failing.
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drunkendeserter Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:45 PM
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the chimp
was begging for the red light to come on so he didn't have to keep thinking and talking and trying to form words
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:43 PM
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5. Hi southern democrat
If I could stomach watching it again I might be able to respond to your post better. His arrogance and facial expressions and that 'bellied up to the bar' leaning on the podium just about send me over the edge. I think that I thought of him more as seeming insulted that anyone was challenging him than begging to be elected.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:44 PM
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6. Yeppers
Begging on hands and knees. No dignity at all. It was flat-out embarrassing to think other countries were watching.
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kokomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:45 PM
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8. Yes, I was almost expecting a Karla Faye Tucker moment....
Bush mocked the lady when he refused to halt her execution by puckering his lips, furrowing his brow, and saying "Pweese, don't kill me!"

Thursday night, he almost seemed to be begging, "Pweese, don't throw me out of office!"
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:31 PM
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32. Well, we didn't put him there
So what's to stop us from throwing his illegitimate, unelected ass out of John Kerry's house?
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missouri dem Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:46 PM
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9. yes, whining and pleading
no tough daddy in that debate
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Twinkie Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:52 PM
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10. Bush nearly begging re-election?
What was wrong with Bush? He looked SO tired! I heard he had
scheduled a trip to the storm area in Florida THE DAY OF THE DEBATE! Why in the world did he choose to cut his nails with a pocketknife when John Kerry had the sense to get to his manicurist and at least rest before the debate???
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southern democrat Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:56 PM
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12. I read somewhere that the normal shoes he wears got lost
They gave him a pair with laces and it sterresed him out tying them.Maybe that explains it!
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:04 PM
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16. Good one Twinkie!
Welcome to DU :hi:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:25 PM
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24. Welcome Twinkie
:hi:
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:15 PM
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26. Where did you hear that he cut his nails with a pocketknife?
I've seen that in several of your posts, I was just wondering where you got that information.

Kerry also had a rally in Florida the day of the debates. Since pretty much all of Florida has been devestated by Hurricanes, I'm pretty sure he visited a storm area as well.

Welcome to DU, twinkie. :)
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:16 PM
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27. This is sarcastic rightwing nonsense
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 10:17 PM by AmerDem
Look at this persons other post http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=955065&mesg_id=955429&page=

They are using subtle sarcastic repuke talking points to slam Kerry and trying to show worthless shrub as being some hardworking man of the people type of guy (that is why he failed so bad debate night...tired, overly concerned etc. yea fucking right).

I sent an alert to for the other post.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:55 PM
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11. I said that night, he appeared to be pleading with Jim Lehrer for
understanding. It was weird. He looked weak.
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fugue Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 08:59 PM
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13. I also heard him as demanding
I heard it very much as "I am the president! I am a strong leader! I send clear messages! I will be president for another four years!"

I do think he's beginning to see that he's completely messed up the country, but I don't think that he thinks that disqualifies him for the presidency. He's a Bush. It's his birthright. How dare the American public consider having any other opinion.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:02 PM
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14. Well , maybe , but
his demeanor seemed to be begging to be redefeated .
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:03 PM
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15. No, a deer caught in the headlights usually gets run over
before it can beg for anything. This guy senses his time's up. It is so over for him now. After he reached the top, the only way is down.

Can you imagine him 20 years from now playing the role of elder statesman? That vision is worse than Dr. Laura's nudie pics.
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:21 PM
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21. I'll be damned. Two more?




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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:27 PM
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29. hahahaha
OMG.. that photo of him sweating bullets and blinking is tooo funny!! :7
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:08 PM
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18. most definitely
boosh -- blank stare hard work mumble slur HARD WORK mumble blank stare mumble slur Hard Work Closing statement, please vote for me, please please please please vote for me.......

sorry freepers, buts thats what I saw Thursday night.

I did think it was funny - so much promoting of hard work coming from a man who has never and i mean never seen a true day of hard work in his life, unless it was self-promotion and groveling to his corp donors to be a repube puppy.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:16 PM
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20. I became so tired of that "It's hard work." I wanted Kerry
to say to him if it was too hard for him, resign now!
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:22 PM
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22. not so much that
as I am entitled to be re-elected. Who are you to be questioning me! I have never had to work for a damn thing. Why should this be any different?
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CrowNotAngelGRL Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:25 PM
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23. YES!
There were certain points where he had these pleading eyes that just screamed "please vote for me!!!" :puke:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:32 PM
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25. Please gimme another 4 years to screw up. Get back chimp, get back to
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 10:18 PM by oasis
where you once belonged.:nopity:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:23 PM
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28. Yes. And also he was apparently off his meds.
nt
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:29 PM
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30. Yeah, he seemed pretty desperate all right.
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Hot Water Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:29 PM
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31. Not at all.
It was as if he was saying, look I'm taking my valuable time here to attend this debate--and I shouldn't have to. I'm doing a great job, we all know that. I'm just explaining it to those few who may not have had the opportunity to hear me speak yet. I have to give my opponent this gesture because it's in the contract. We all know it's time wasted.

THAT'S exactly how he treated the debate. He didn't even know he got his ass handed to him in a suitcase until his people told him he did. He thought people would be ridiculing Kerry. That's why you see him pictured so angry now.

His delusion is only exceeded by one thing...his stupidity.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:33 PM
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33. I took it more like he "expects" to get re-elected
and he doesn't understand why he should have to go through the bother of these debates, and for that matter, an election. He acts like everyone should just throw flowers at his feet and make him president for life.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:41 PM
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34. I think his advisers have been keeping him pumped
up with a distorted picture of reality vis a vis his standing with the American public.

I also think the weight of the lies he's spinning over Iraq is taking a huge toll on him psychologically. We're there because he got us there, tens of thousands have died, over a thousand of them Americans, and there's no easy way to get out -- and this is a guy whose entire life has been about the easy way. He might be able to hold his fantasyland vision of Iraq together long enough to get through the election, but eventually reality is going to hit, and when it does, he's going to be crushed. History is going to shit all over his presidency, entirely because of Iraq. If we stay, bloodshed. If we leave, bloodshed. And for what? That's the picture he faces, no matter what he tells the public, and it's got to have an impact on him knowing it. He's only going to deteriorate.

Lyndon Johnson was twice the man Bush is, and Vietnam destroyed him as a person. Bush lacks most of Johnson's conscience, but he makes up for that with conceit -- and that conceit has to be telling him Iraq is going to be a blacker stain on him than Vietnam was on Johnson. Johnson had, after all, the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society as gigantic accomplishments. Bush has, by way of comparison, a few moments running around New York City with a bullhorn talking tough.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 11:01 PM
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35. Yes, pretty much so.
It seemsthat perhaps Kerry has out thought everyone who wascriticising his campaigns
failure to deal with Bush and his campaigns attacks on Kerrys ability and character, as
this forum seems to have been the best place for the American people, and particularly
the undecided voter to see the two together, and determine once and for all who is
best suited to be commander in chief. It seems that the public is quickly deciding and
the first polls to come out after the first debate seem to indicate that the effects of the months Bush's deceptive attacks on Kerry's abilities and character have been wiped out in the short span of 90 minutes.

It seems that all Kerry's secret weapon in this campaign has been Bush and his cronies arrogance.
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