Nader Says a Run would Benefit Democrats

[mot78]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/10/politics/campaigns/10NADE.html

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. Good God I hate that man...

Im sure the republicans will donate plenty of money to his campaign to make it "benefit democrats"

That asshole still has no clue, does he?

[mot78]

3. I pray to God that he doesn't run

But at least if he runs indy, then he'll have a harder time raising grassroots to hurt us, unlike the Greens, who have a party infarstructure in place.

[HFishbine]

6. How in hell

is he going to get on any ballots?

[aquart]

4. His self-absorption does seem complete.

[Terwilliger]

7. aren't you a Dean supporter?

Do you see any contradictions in your attitude?

[bearfartinthewoods]

51. nader needs a new hobby......n/t

[pmbryant]

2. Well, I do agree with at least one thing he said in that article

"They are a very, very cautious party," he said of the Democrats. "That caution has led to defeats at all levels of government for 10 years against a very extreme Republican Party. They can't even beat an extreme Republican Party."

This was the sad story of the 2002 mid-term elections. :-(

--Peter

[mot78]

5. I actually agree with Nader on many issues

including the problems with the DLC, but we several candidates in our field who won't wimp out. We need a united front, and if Nader truely cares about stopping Republicans, then he'll stump for our nominee in GOTV events.

[AndyTiedye]

35. The Story of 2002 Was Highway Robbery and Murder

They killed Paul Wellstone and gave us a Rethug in his place, with a little help from friendly voting machinez.
We were rob-georgia.zip'ed by Diebold in Georgia.
That was the Republican "victory" in 2002.

They want Nader to run because it makes the election easier to steal,
with more places to siphon off votes.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Why doesn't Nader travel around the country giving speeches without

Why doesn't Nader travel around the country giving speeches without running for President?

[Skittles]

21. because he is a self-absorbed f***ing ASSHOLE

who doesn't know when to QUIT.

[KC21304]

9. Well, that is just peachy-keen. As long as he has far more

disdain for the Republicans than for the Democrats, why would we object ? Ralph, you have completely gone over the edge.

[BootinUp]

10. Maybe in the 2032 campaign

By that time we might begin to recover...

[OhioStateProgressive]

11. i agree with Ralph, and hope he runs(nt)

[mot78]

15. When * gets reelected we shouldn't let Ralph move to Canada with us

[formernaderite]

44. Here, here...

I agree. Ralph should run if he wants to, this is why America is a great country. Anyone, can find their own platform and run with it.
This time it shouldn't be a problem for the democrats if they elect the right candidate. Many of us have thrown our support pragmatically speaking behind Dean. In a perfect world Dennis's progressive platform would have a voice, but the time is not yet ripe. I love Dennis' idea for a department of Peace. Maybe once Dean wins the general election, we can find a meeting of the minds between him and Dennis. Dennis could be our first cabinet level Secretary of the department of Peace. Okay...I'm daydreaming a bit.

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[Eric J in MN]

48. Dean and Clark are each a thousand times better than George W.

Don't you want a Democrat to nominate the next 3 Supreme Court justices?

Dean and Clark would each nomninate a judge who is pro-choice. Judges who are pro-choice often care about civil rights and civil liberties in other areas.

For the sake of the Supreme Court, please support whoever the Democratic nominee is.

[MIMStigator]

13. We don't need him to help us lose we have DEAN

*

[grytpype]

14. I don't think Saint Ralph is going to get much support this time out.

[mot78]

16. He will because the media whores and Karl Rove said so

I bet 90% of Nader's money will come from Murdoch or Gillespie.

[Terwilliger]

18. really

any evidence for this? or simple reactionary rhetoric?

[Skittles]

22. honestly

would you put it past Rove to support Nader? I WOULDN'T.

[Terwilliger]

31. Democrats supported Buchanan in 2000

Those evil fuckers!

Seriously, why do I care that Repukes like Nader because they perceive him to be detrimental to the Dems?

I care that Nader has points that Democrats ignore...fuck the Republicans.

[mot78]

24. Terwilliger I respect your opinion, but the Repugs want Nader to run

Look at FR for proof!

[Terwilliger]

29. I don't give a shit what cynical Repukes want

I care that Democrats still haven't figured out the problems, and they haven't offered any solutions...except, of course, to keep plugging away like everything is normal.

[ozone_man]

40. I believe Nader is trying to help us out.

For the same reason that we need Kucinich, we need Nader to discuss the issues that are avoided by the Democrats, because they are afraid to. I think that he views Dean favorably and from one comment that he made, he may stay out of the race if Dean is the nominee. We do need a voice for the left, but at the same time we need to unite in the end against Bush. If he runs, I think he will throw his support in the end to an "acceptable" Democratic candidate.

<snip>
By hammering away at populist themes like a higher minimum wage, union rights and occupational health regulations, all of which he says have been neglected, he would force the leading Democratic contenders to move left. That, he says, would expand the party's base, drawing out more liberal voters, some angry enough at him about 2000 that they would vote for the Democratic nominee instead, and many who would vote Democratic in close House and Senate races.
<snip>
But while they did not tell him outright not to run, he said, they remained "seized by the inaccurate zero-sum mentality" of a presidential field of just two candidates. He called that a limiting dynamic that forced Democrats to hew to the center rather than "expand the electorate with electrifying issues."
<snip>

[ThirdWheelLegend]

50. ""acceptable" Democratic candidate."

Yes I believe that also, except from everything I have heard Nader say, that candidate is Kucinich and Kucinich alone.

I do not see him bowing out if Dean runs. Dean is centrist, even to the right on some issues.

TWL

[JVS]

17. It's a free country, let him run.

I think there are worse things that could happen then for Nader to run. His running would provide an incentive to the Democratic candidate to keep a strong connection with the left, lest he lose them.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Let Nader run, don't make a martyr out of him!

Nader will be seen as a narcissist!

[mot78]

20. He could still do that by reforming the Democratic party from the inside

That's what the Conservative's have done since the 60's with think tanks and talk radio. Kucinich is running to give his wing of the party voice, and he knows it makes more sense to reform the party internally.

[BootinUp]

23. That is the right way

I agree, and wish Nader would play a more active role in the party. At some point he must have lost contact with insiders. I don't know Naders history in detail.

[IndianaGreen]

25. Nader is not a team player

this is why he never joined a political party, including the Greens.

Let's face it, Nader only believes in Nader.

Narcissists like Nader should never be trusted with political office. Look at Bush!

[mot78]

26. Makes sense

Otherwise Nader wouldn't be Bush*'s lapdog.
BTW, I'm glad the Greens dumped Nader. He was doing more harm to your party than good.

[nancyharris]

27. Unfortunately...

<” He could still do that by reforming the Democratic Party from the inside”>

Unfortunately, recent history shows that the Democratic Party does not wish to be “reformed” by moving to the left. Even on this site there are so many that say they like Congressman Kucinich’s position on the issues but will not vote for him for fear of losing. As long as that attitude permeates the Party our national candidate will always be a moderate (And people like Nader will always have support).

[JVS]

32. I'm sorry but attempts to reform the party from inside tend to be...

promptly quashed. Frequently in the name of electability. And this has been going on for too long to ignore.

I have no problem with Nader trying to exert outside influence. It is clearly needed.

[goodhue]

47. amen n/t

[jburton]

28. "Nader Says a Run would Benefit Democrats"

"Bush Says Tax-cuts would Benefit Ecomomy"

go figure

[bain_sidhe]

30. Maybe on *his* planet, it would

but not on the planet *we* live on. :eyes:

[TacticalPeek]

33. 100% pure rationalization.

And ego-activated filtered.

[11 Bravo]

34. Yeah, how'd that work out for us in 2000?

Carville says he will never speak Nader's name aloud again. That's good enough for me.

[thebigthink]

36. Looks like we're going to be needing more PIES!

[Clark Can WIN]

37. Nader is a pustule on the ass of the world

He's become the most grossly narcissistic butt-munchers of all time.

[no_hypocrisy]

38. No, a Nader run would benefit REPUBLICANS.

n/t

[forgethell]

39. I agree with Nader!

It would help just exactly like a case of the clap. Let's hear it for Ralph.

[flaminbats]

41. Wow, what a great article!

:wow: If only I was registered...

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

42. Nader is a bleeding idiot

nothing more need be said. :puke:

[Marian]

43. I agree with him.

I think Nader should run as far away from the US as possible; that would definitely benefit us Democrats.


:kick:

[mikewriter]

46. I almost voted for Nader

He should stay out of this one and endorse someone

[John_H]

45. Ralph's right for the wrong reason

After Ralph gets exposed for the wal-mart owning, union busting hypocrite he is whilst pulling in less than one percent of the vote, we'll never ever have to hear from him again.

[thebigthink]

49. I still say PIE is the answer.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0813-01.htm