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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:17 AM
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Why has Kitty Kelly's book
not been mentioned? We don't want her momentum slowed.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:18 AM
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1. I don't know it's a hell of a read
I'm about half through it and I never realized what a light-weight George Senior was. All the way through he made it in life on his father's coattails. Shrub is very much like his father.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:19 AM
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2. Who's supposed to mention it?
That might answer your question. If you are expecting Kerry or his campaign to push the book, that's a little nuts. It would back fire and make him look petty, plus the book isn't on the most solid ground (I know there are those who aren't going to agree with me on this).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:26 AM
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3.  I was a little worried, I just hadn't seen it mention much here lately
and it really kicks ass.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:27 AM
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4. it's #1 on the NY Times best seller list, someone posted recently.
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:50 AM
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17. it is also the #1 best sellers list in the Los Angeles Times n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:59 AM
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10. Just imagine the if same book had been written of Kerry & his famly.
Edited on Mon Oct-04-04 10:01 AM by Lex
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The GOP & Ed Gillespie would be on ALL the talkshows and political programs talking about all the damaging points in the book, using it as a tool to smear Kerry, finding a way to make it a campaign issue. Keeping the book in the public eye.

The Dem surrogates aren't doing that, certainly.

It's not about whether Kerry or his campaign itself would push the book, but where are the Dem surrogates and the other Dem pundits pushing the damaging elements in the book?

That's who's supposed to mention it and keep mentioning it until Nov. 2nd at least.

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:38 AM
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5. the bushevics put pressure on
and the 24/7 political gossip channels caved.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:48 AM
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6. I'm reading it now.
It's interesting and enlightening but part of it is as dry as reading actuarial tables. Not a knock, since I think everyone should read it, but my take on it thus far.
The most interesting thing. IMHO, is the leaps to the right each generation of Bush's took. From Senator Prescott Bush, an actual
compassionate conservative, to Dubya, neither compassionate nor conservative, with 41, somewhere in between according to which way the wind was blowing.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:50 AM
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7. Kick it,,,it is a serious read


and shows just why GW is GW.
It's the tree vs apple theory.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:52 AM
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8. I'm about half-way through it
It's interesting. I guess I was expecting more of a gossipy book and it really isn't. Matter-of-fact, I think Kelley had/has a secret crush on Prescott. LOL!

It's taking me a long time to read this one -- it's one of those books that has so much information that one needs to stop and digest it along the way. Overall, I'd highly recommend it. If nothing else, it's a good comparison of how the GOP use to be and what it is today.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 09:53 AM
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9. well, ALL the 'juicy bits' were revealed pre-release
and, the truth is, the book is NOT a breezy read.

it's a long slog with * out of the picture for at least 400pp

it's just NOT as 'controversial' as anticipated.

in fact, there are more juicy bits in Byrd's LOSING AMERICA, and it comes in at under 300pp...
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:04 AM
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11. Agreed...In This Case Expectations Weren't Met
I know how many here would love to find a love child and parade every dirty secret of Bunnypant's slimy life, but it better be good. Kitty Kellly's book just isn't good. I read the first couple chapters and got bored...nothing really that revealing that a regular on DU hasn't read before.

I knew this book was not that good when I saw how poorly her publisher is promoting it and even her lukewarm appearances on TV shows.

Personally, I don't think we need to go the low road nor should be create distractions in that direction now that the issues are front & center and we can win based on those issues, not having to resort to desperate tactic like the GOOP>
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:09 AM
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13. Good or not, it's #1 on the NY Times bestseller list.
So fortunately, many people are buying it and reading it.

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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:13 AM
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14. Have less than 100 pages to read
And I guarantee - guarantee - that if any of the undecideds or heck, if any of the freepers, actually read the book they wouldn't vote for the guy either. Slimy, disgusting group of people who make the mafia look like choir boys. No dirty deed low enough, no smear of another person too nasty not to use, no activity smarmy enough to rein this group in.

The book is long and does not read like a novel but the information is straight forward, cited and interesting if you are wondering how such a bunch of losers ended up in the White House.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:23 AM
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15. At This Point Would It Make That Big Of A Difference?
Considering there's such a large number of Repugnicans who are in absolute denial about this boy and his family...almost to the point of mind control. They're so conflicted and twisted, there's nothing that could be revealed about the BFEE that would outrage these people. If anything, they look for every reason...the most minute (fonts anyone???) to distort and distract, yet never confront the facts.

I'm hoping a historian like a Douglas Brinkley or Doris Kearns-Goodwin will do a definitive history on this family...cement this legacy for all the evil and selfishness it represents.

Again, no dispute with Ms. Kelly's book or that the Bush family represents the worst of this country...but I think the need now is to focus on issues and beat the GOOP with the great cards we have...not look for others that may help, may not. By now, if someone hasn't heard about the slime in this family, they're either ignoring it or won't be voting anyway.

I read most of the Prescott Bush stuff and Poppy's early days. Yes, very quanitative and no reason to dispute a sentence I read. Just after a while reading a book, no matter how I destest this family, got very tedious and almost took on the appearance of piling on.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:28 AM
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16. "a definitive history"
one of the reasons this book left me somewhat flat is that I had already read Kevin Phillips' "definitive history" of the BFEE... AMERICAN DYNASTY...
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:53 AM
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18. It's A Credibility Thing
Kevin Phillips is a great read and probably the reason I wasn't as impressed with the Kelly book. Phillips also has first-hand relationships that gave the book a lot more impact IMHO.

I'm sorta doing the "vision thing" here...remember how the GOOP is/was so obsessed with the "Clinton legacy". I'd love to see the "Bush legacy"...both of 'em put under a very strong microscope when Bunnypants is gone. Also, force the unsealing of both their records...then we'll get a real interesting look at that family.

Cheers!
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:08 AM
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12. It's really pretty thorough
the beginning was pretty boring though, probably since I'm not familiar with the Bush's ancestors. I skipped ahead to chapter 12, which starts about 1960.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:57 AM
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19. I'm listening to the audio version
Edited on Mon Oct-04-04 10:57 AM by joeprogressive
It is one of the most fascinating books I have ever read. You can see the flawed genetic code developing over many generations that makes Bush such a loser today.

I love the part about the Italian American going to Prescott's house to see if he could help his intellectually gifted son get into Andover. Prescott says they don't let your kind into Andover and slammed the door on the guy. The man worked his ass off to pay for his son to go to another private school. He went on to Amherst and law school and later became a distinguished professor. Kelley points out that ended up getting more degrees than any Bush ever got.
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