Has anyone else been watching FauxNews lately?

[MsTryska]

I saw it this morning, and Fox and Friends seemed downright centrist. What's going on?

Has anyone else noticed this?


MSNBC is seeming leftist all of a sudden (as of friday night anyway).

[livetohike]

1. Haven't seen it but

it would be ludicrous for them to pump up Bush like they have been doing when everyone else knows that he looked like a fool during the debate.

[merh]

2. I listen to hate radio in the morning on the way to work

(only talk radio in my area) and Laura Flanders was slamming Joe Scarborough and so were her callers.

The ugly RW hate mongers are eating their own now! Don't you just hate it ;-)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Perhaps they now realize just how badly the new administration

as well as over half of the country could, would, should kick their asses for what they have been trying to pass off as "fair and balanced" for the last 4 years.

Nice to see them squirm... it will be particularly interesting to watch rabid Fox News afficianados faces as they see their sole source of news morph into something totally different, reversing their opinions, running scared.... heh, heh, heh.....

[MsTryska]

10. God Bless Joey Scarborough....

for all his ultra-conservativeness - at least he stands up for his beliefs, and recognizes that it's his beliefs he's loyal to and not the party.

I was first impressed with him, when he wound up on al franken's show, tearing dubya a new one on fiscal policy.


I'm glad some are standing up on their side, and letting the world know that they don't like dubya either even tho he alleges he's a republican.


I've actually gained some respect for those republicans who have stayed true to the ideals their party is supposed to stand for, even if i disagree with those ideals.

[SKKY]

63. I noticed immediately after the debate, Joe Scarborough...

...was THE very first Republican, at least that I'm aware of, who admitted Bush got handled, and gave an honest assessment of his performance. I was quite surprised. Having said that, I'll file him in the same place I'm currently keeping Libya- I'm glad they're coming around, but I'm just not 100% convinced yet.

[MsTryska]

68. *lol* that's a good analogy.....

I won't say he's on our side, but he's somewhere a little more trustworth than Libya/Pat Robertson.


I wish i could find a clip for the Joe Scarborough bit from the Al Franken Show, but i'm sorry to say AirAmerica's website sucks.

He really sounded sane on fiscal policy, and apparently he had ripped bush just that day in a Wall Street Journal Op/Ed piece.

He ain't one of us, but my enemy's enemy is my friend.

[LowerManhattanite]

12. I believe you meant to say Laura Ingraham,

right? Not AAR's Laura Flanders?

[merh]

14. You are right, thanks for the correction!

I am happily listening to AAR now, mind melt I guess!

[KharmaTrain]

17. Just Wait To Listen If They Lose

It's gonna be bloody...and the finger pointing will be incredible. If Bunnypants loses big...including the House & Senate then the shit will really fly and it will start on hate radio.

Remember, these are catty, arrogant, small people who need hate and frustration to make their voices and irrational logic rational, and nothing breeds this more than a new target to hate.

Also, in the background, is the ratings and ego game of those hate radio hosts. Many are waiting for Rushbo to drop and trying to position themselves for his audience and "mantle". No doubt Hannity will attempt to grab that title with O'Reilly, Bettamillion Bennett, Savage, Ingraham and others going at each other...blaming one another for losing the election. It should provide lots of hours of fun listening.

Scanning around the country as I do, I'm not hearing the bluster or the confidence in these goons (except for the ones out of Texas...LOL) like we did even two weeks ago. Here's hoping they crash & burn with their decrepit agenda and manchild!

[lasttrip]

26. good point. they are all about themselves. nt

[livetohike]

32. I'd pay to see Hannity when he finally implodes!

Maybe it will be soon.

[RebelOne]

38. Yes, it would be worth any amount

to see that happen.

[Hot Water]

71. There'll be hair grease all over.

[Hamlette]

75. they will not blame each other, they will blame us...for cheating...

don't forget they organized an impeach Clinton club within weeks of the November 1992 election, before Clinton had even been sworn into office.

My guess is they have alread organized an impeach Kerry club and have probably raised millions of dollars to smear him throughout his 8 years in office.

Wonder how we can stop that?

[CBHagman]

50. Flanders or Ingraham?

Laura Flanders ("Bushwomen") is on our side. Laura Ingraham ("Shut Up and Sing") is part of the scary right wing.

[ClassWarrior]

78. I think you mean Laura Ingraham (~shudder~)...

Laura Flanders is one of the good guys, on AAR.

23.

[merh]

81. Yes, it was ingraham - my apologies to all for the confusion

it is funny to listen to the hate moungers attack each other. Until Nov, these guys ought to be pretty funny, turning on it other and freeping over *'s follies and faults.

[JuniorPlankton]

3. I heard that the Freepers are complaining

that Fox is turning into CNN lite.
How amusing, I think CNN is Fox Lite.

[RoyalWickedness]

4. Ha ha, me too.

Especially "Arkuda" (Greek for Wolf)

[MsTryska]

13. So they are noticing too....

i was wondering if it was wishful thinking on my part, but nope, it's a definite and real shift. cool.

[Mike L]

37. Funny!

[Bush was AWOL]

6. Yep. I've been watching MSNBC and Faux all morning

and both have been good. MSNBC has reported the new polls at the beginning of every hour so far today.

[SangamonTaylor]

7. the rats are jumping ship

Fox is not in this for politics, it's in it for money. They have to support a winner...rats.

[MsTryska]

15. This is true.....and

really i don't mind as long as the butter is on my side of the bread.

what is Rupert Murdoch's deal anyway? I know he's australian, but does he really have any interest in the Right, or was it just a niche that needed filling, for him?

[RafterMan]

28. And Murdoch Press Organ NY Post

ran a debunking bit on the stealth pen controversy.

Interesting.

[MsTryska]

29. Hmm.....maybe the WH tried to give him static

on the newsfeed for the debates and him not playing nice with them, and he's ready to show them just how powerful the media can be?

or perhaps they displeased him in some way prior to the debates and he's engineering a Kerry landslide?

[Dulcinea]

30. The only thing Murdoch loves more than conservative politics...

...is money. He won't back Boy George & his posse of freaks if he thinks he'll lose financially.

[cheshire]

8. I've been seeing a change but they are only doing it for long enough to

get folks watching again.

[Carolinian]

34. You said it. It's all temorary so don't get taken in.

[LowerManhattanite]

9. They seem oddly...sad—and a little stunned.

I have a feeling there is some ver-rrry dismal internal polling the public has not seen (and will NOT ever see) that indicates serious slippage for King Curious the 43rd.

Methinks the undecideds and "soft" republicans are trending the wrong way and there isn't enough time to pull 'em back.

[goclark]

11. Heard O Liely on the radio and

I didn't even know who was talking.
I thought it was a left thinking talk show host.
I was shocked when it was O Liely!

[MsTryska]

16. no way? what the heck was he saying? (nt)

nt

[goclark]

19. He was really defending Kerry

One of the callers said that Kerry made some mistake at the debate.
O'Liely told him that people are always saying that he said something that he didn't say. He just blew off the caller.

He was calm and did not Kerry bash AT ALL.

I was shocked when about the forth call, the man said, " I am honored to get to talk to you Mr. O' Reilly.!"

[MsTryska]

25. Hmm...seems Hell has frozen over. nt.

nt

[Wickerman]

18. Never watch it, BUT today it was on at the gym

and I never got pissed off for the 30 mn I was on the bike. They even picked on Bush a bit. Something felt really wrong... Oh, the weather man was really, really unfunny and the DJ guy (soemthing ..Man) they interview is an idiot.

[MsTryska]

24. I was watching to see what the weekend debate spin

would be. I was totally expecting them to talk about draws and bush wins and kerry losses and so forth and none of that. and I caught them picking on bush too. it was crazy.

[peacemeal]

20. Carl Cameron was NOT covering Kerry this morning

I wonder if this is permanent.

[NightOwwl]

21. I've noticed that as well, but I think with Fox it's temporary.

I watch MSNBC in the morning while I get ready for work, and I've been pleasantly surprised. One of their reporters (a woman named Chris, I think) actually follows up with hard-hitting questions. She was rough on Karen Hughes after the debate.

Uh oh, she's not on this morning. That is not a good sign. :(

[MsTryska]

23. I saw her go at karen. I think my jaw might have dropped (nt)

nt

[axis]

61. Yeah, Chris has consistantly

been balanced. (The girl Chris. Matthews
is untrustworthy)/

[Not Me]

22. A whore has no allegiances except to money

n/t

[lasttrip]

27. they can't ignore reality any longer.

the majority can see their transparency and they need the ratings.
kudos to all DU'ers that helped wake some of them up.

[liberal N proud]

31. Deleted FAUX from the Television, CNN is next

I do not watch them any more, they make me physically ill.

[Philostopher]

33. Most importantly ...

I think they want to keep interest up across the spectrum to get their ratings numbers up for the second debate. See, here is where they probably will run foul of the administration -- personally, I think the best the Bush* campaign can hope for is suppressed interest in the second debate. They really can't get out of it, and they can't make major sea changes in the Naked Emperor (who's really freakin' naked now, eh!), but even their shill networks have to get that ad dollar, and they see that being viewed as merely a mouthpiece for the administration means the entire left half of the political spectrum will watch CSPAN or CBS instead of Fox because they suspect Fox's beholden to the administration.

Coming off as being more centrist may draw more ratings points, and that's how Fox determines how to charge for ad time. Same goes for MSNBC. They go with the polling, because they want those numbers -- good ratings mean more revenue.

[MsTryska]

35. Well then what we've bene doing is working huh?

if the only way to thold them accoutnable is through ad dollars, then let's keep hurting them where it counts. Incidentally i will be watching cspan for all my debate coverage, but i like to check the spin, so i know what talkign points to expect from my freepers.


in any case - I've pretty much given up on CBS Easly Show for real campaign news...they keep bringing that RW shill Craig Crawford on to explain Decision 2004.

[Philostopher]

44. I ain't helping Fox any over here.

The only thing Fox that ever gets turned on in this house is FSN (sports), and both the Mr. and I get most of our news off the Internet. We turn CSPAN on for speeches and the debates. If we were a Nielsen family, Nielsen would be very disappointed -- we watch The Daily Show, VH-1 Classic and the Cartoon Network the overwhelming majority of the time around here!

[Jane Austin]

66. Close your eyes, and Craig Crawford's voice is Pat Robertson's.

(edited for typo)

[bobbieinok]

70. same voice from James Dobson

[MUSTANG_2004]

36. Didn't watch Fox, but Tucker Carlson

has a show on PBS, and he seemed un-optimistic about Iraq. I'd thought he was a gung-ho partisan, but he didn't seem like one regarding Iraq.

[The Chronicler]

48. He's always been pretty anti-Iraq.

Along the same lines as Novak and Buchanan.

[MUSTANG_2004]

58. Well, that would explain it

I shy away from tv news in general (the internet is faster and more informative), but I'd thought he was a neocon.

[cyr330]

39. NO!

I never, ever watch Faux News; in fact, I dropped it long, long before I dumped CNN. However, from what you say, I may have to take a peek to see what's going on!

[Mike L]

40. FOX trying to lower expectations for the 2nd debate?

Their viewers must be miserable. Good.

[debatepro]

41. Could it be the campaign

Could it be that so many progressives have been hammering them and they see the power of the movement. I think in addition to writing the news orginazations with our greviences we should send them to there advertizers as well. Then we might just see fair and balanced.

[HootieMcBoob]

42. I removed it from my channel line up!

I don't even want to be able to see the initials for that sorry network. If you have DirecTV which unfortunately is now part of Murdoch inc. you can remove the station from your lineup. It's easy and fun!

[Jack_Dawson]

43. Fox Hasn't Changed

What is wrong w/ you people? They're as Shilling as ever. Can someone point to an example of how they've become more centrist?

[MsTryska]

46. Have you been watching their news the last couple of days?

because what i saw this morning on Fox n Friends was definitely far more centrist, than say..the early show.

For instance, they reported Kerry and Bush Tied in the polls, AND the mentioned the Rasmussen polls and the poll where Kerry was leading, with NO Qualifiers.


that's a major shift, considering it's fox we're talking about.

[Jack_Dawson]

49. Polls are Polls tho...

It's a hard number, so it's tougher to spin.

I'm sure they underscored whatever particular question Bush still leads Kerry in...

JD

[MsTryska]

51. No! They Didn't! It was bizaare, and left me feeling

ambivalent. Like maybe I jsut wanted that to be reality or soemthing.


i've been living in this world of cognitive dissonance so long, i think i have Stockholm Syndrome.

[Carni]

57. I have to agree with these guys to a point...

Faux is still crappy BUT truth be told IMO it hasn't been as bad as CNN has been lately.

At least with FOX you expect make believe stupidity but CNN has the nerve to pretend they are an actual *news" station.

I personally think that for about the last six months CNN has been even more right leaning than FOX (and I didn't think that was possible)

The Today show has also become a TOTAL joke...Katie Couric needs to go period.

[MsTryska]

64. I agree.....i've been seeing the same thing lately....

the alleged "news" stations that give the appearance of centrism seem to be much further right than fox lately.


I listen to AirAmerica whenever i'm driving, and CNNRadio provides them with "news". I think i get hives everytime they do one of their spots. So biased.

[Geek_Girl]

69. CNN Sucks

I don't watch that much Fox but I used to watch CNN all the time. But the coverage of this election is so biased it's unbelievable. I love how they always seem to have technical problems that ends up hurting democrats. They are a sad and pathetic new station and progressives need to let them know that their biased news and tactics to sabotage democrats are not acceptable.

[Borgnine]

45. Something is happening.

Faux News HAS softened a bit. MSNBC is whoring a little less. The only one who's still marching towards the right is CNN, but I suspect that might change if the debates go badly for Cheney and Bush this week.

Perhaps the neo-conservative moment is fully aware what a loser Bush is and is preparing to cut its losses and start over again in 2008. Maybe they think that if Bush stays in office for another four years, people's opinions of Republicans in general will sour to the point where they'll be out of office for years.

I don't know. It's just a weird shift I've sensed over the weekend.

[mzmolly]

77. It's all about ratings. They want a horserace.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ matters most dontcha know.

[The Chronicler]

47. It's hard to spin for Bush right now.

Maybe they're trying to kiss some Kerry ass before he wins the election? So as not to be totally blacklisted by him for the next 4 years.

[BuelahWitch]

52. Maybe they're afraid Kerry will reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

so they're thinking they better start being nice to him. With one swipe of a pen their careers could be over. Hell, they'd have to go work at WALMART!!! :bounce:

[JPZenger]

53. The Closer the Race, the More Money TV Stations Make

TV stations in the swing states are making a bloody fortune from political advertising this year. They also are seeing higher ratings, which translates to higher advertising rates for other types of advertising. The closer the race, the more money the TV stations and networks make.

[n2mark]

54. FOX

Don't trust Fox....wonder what they are up too. The switch is too fast. What is Rove up to?

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. I haven't watched Faux News since 2000.

As soon as the chimp was selected, I banned Faux from my TV.

They probably see the writing on the wall. They have probably gotten the dirt on the chimp's love child and that story is to break this week. The chimp is going down and they know it. I STILL think Kerry should ban Faux News from his WH press corp. They should NEVER be given access to him. EVER. Any journalist who shilled for this WH should be banned.

[elduderino]

56. my guess is oil is not under $20 per barrell as the neocon cabal promised

Rupert Murdoch..., he's just interested in Money - he'll jump ship without a moments notice - just like he's poited out to Blair


Monday February 17, 2003
MURDOCH THE OIL IMPERIALIST: Murdoch has acknowledged his major rationale for supporting the Iraq invasion: oil. While both American and British politicians strenuously deny the significance of oil in the war, the Guardian of London notes, "Murdoch wasn't so reticent. He believes that deposing the Iraqi leader would lead to cheaper oil." Murdoch said before the war, "The greatest thing to come out of this for the world economy...would be $20 a barrel for oil. That's bigger than any tax cut in any country." He buttressed this statement when he later said, "Once is behind us, the whole world will benefit from cheaper oil which will be a bigger stimulus than anything else."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,897015,00.html

[michigandem2]

59. I caught a bit of faux today

that dark haired ass still smooches * ass but they seemed less hostile to left sided views or guests...its weird...but I don't trust any of them ....Kerry is slightly ahead and they saw the disgrace of * on Thursday...so my guess is they are realizing Kerry might actually pull this out

[axis]

60. I fainted when O'Reilly interviewed Bush

He asked the most hard hidding questions I've seen anyone
in the media have the guts to ask.
Something has happened at Fox for sure.
I would love to know what is going on.

[MsTryska]

62. You mean he didn't feed him the answers in the form of a

question?


are you being sarcastic, or serious?

[theoceansnerves]

67. yeah.

nice try.

[thebigidea]

79. and by hard-hitting, I presume you mean flaccid-with-no-followups, yes?

Either that or you're the King of Sarcasm.

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

65. All I can think of

is they want to be on the winning side and Kerry seems to be doing well now. Or maybe they're not afraid anymore and using their freedoms again? *shrug* Oh and I do like Joe Scarbrough though. He's an okay guy. I watch his show every once in a while. Jon Stewart is still #1 though. :D

[MsTryska]

72. Word. Jon Stewart

rocks my world.

but what the hell do i know? i'm just a stoned slacker. ;-)

[Hot Water]

73. Keith Obermann has been our tried and true friend.

Fox kiss my:kick: I'll turn him around for ya.

[goclark]

74. I think they play cat and mouse

Remember during the Republican convention after the protesters went crazy on CNN?

All of a sudden, Chris Matthews was acting a little nicer.
Some said, let's watch MSNBC.

Then, Rove must have made the call to them about small planes.
They started bamming Kerry again.

Cat and mouse to keep the ratings. Then they play hardball.

[Catherine Vincent]

76. Fuck Fox News!

They mean nothing to me.

[JPJones]

80. My guess - fairness doctrine

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm

They know that Bush is weak. From their point of view, if Kerry wins (when he wins), he may have coattails that swing the Senate too. The fairness doctrine was elliminated by Reagan, and allowed Limbaugh, Hannity, etc to pollute the airwaves. Although it wouldn't apply to FNC (on cable), Fox proper owns stations, probably has interests in radio stations, etc.

If Bush wins, no problems. If Kerry wins, they're probably screwed.

The smart thing to do would be to deliver the election to Kerry, and he would be so grateful that he wouldn't reinstate the fairness doctrine.

[C_U_L8R]

82. POLL: Do you think Fox News is biased, or fair and balanced?

Do you think Fox News is biased, or fair and balanced?
http://www.nynewsday.com/other/special/amny/

From AM New York.... also great article busting Fox on fabricating news items/

(PS I can't create new topics yet... but if any senior DU's
want to bump this up... be my guest)