They're calling "Global Test" the "Kerry Doctrine."

[Atman]

Wolfe is playing it up. The Kerry Doctrine says that we must wait for permission from other nations before going to war. A total lie...he DOES go on to show the entire clip of Kerry's comments, but still plays up the angle. He and the GOP are determined to pin SOMETHING negative on Kerry. Be afraid...this could be it.

[teach1st]

1. From the Kerry-Edwards Blog

When outlining the new doctrine of preemption in the National Security Strategy 2002, the Bush administration explained: “We will always proceed deliberately, weighing the consequences of our action. To support preemptive options, we will: coordinate closely with allies to form a common assessment of the most dangerous threats; …” Guess they only read to page 15.

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/003051.html#more

[sandersadu]

2. Kerry

Kerry:

The Kerry folks must get on this. They must say that there is no Kerry Doctrine!

Kerry will only restore what has served American Presidents from WWI through the Cold War and until this President:

America will defend itself, and if there is solid evidence of an imminent threat will go on the attack.

[KittyWampus]

10. NO! They Must Say The "Kerry Doctrine" Is The Same As Every Other American

President's.

The "Bush Doctrine" is what is Illegitimate, Immoral and Unworkable.

Kerry MUST say the "Bush Doctrine" is - Why? Because We Say So.

[stray cat]

3. How do we contact Wolfe?

nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. That's going to backfire on them.

[KittyWampus]

5. Kerry NEEDS To Label The BUSH DOCTRINE & He Needs To Do It NOW!

this is pissing me off. Kerry's ad is NOT SUFFICIENT.

Start saying the "Bush Doctrine" is about NOT showing evidence to America, NOT having Legitimacy and NOT having a Moral Standing.

[Texas_Dem]

11. I like that. The Bush Doctrine says that

facts and evidence be damned if the United States wants to invade a country for no apparent reason.

[KittyWampus]

12. EXACTLY, Kerry Can Define Bush & Ridicule AND Exose Him

all at the same time.

[Texas_Dem]

6. Its bull crap. Kerry will have to call him out on this at the

next debate. But instead of waiting for that, he needs to get his own talking heads out there, on message with what Kerry REALLY said (not what the repugs want to spin) and flip this back on them.

No reason to be afraid here is it is taken care of properly. Hitler thought he could do what he pleased regardless of what the rest of the world thought as well.

[Pepperbelly]

7. the Bush LYING Doctrine has Leslie under its spell. nt

[billybob537]

8. You could tell

that stupid bastard didn't even understand what JK said. What it meant was that if you take premptive action you'd better be damn sure your intelligence is bullet proof. Shit for brains neither understood, nor practiced this in Iraq. :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Selwynn]

9. What a fucking bastard.

Just once I would love them to just tell the truth.

[settembrini]

13. From Federalist Paper #63

"An attention to the judgment of other nations is important to every government for two reasons: the one is, that, independently of the merits of any particular plan or measure, it is desirable, on various accounts, that it should appear to other nations as the offspring of a wise and honorable policy; the second is, that in doubtful cases, particularly where the national councils may be warped by some strong passion or momentary interest, the presumed or known opinion of the impartial world may be the best guide that can be followed. What has not America lost by her want of character with foreign nations; and how many errors and follies would she not have avoided, if the justice and propriety of her measures had, in every instance, been previously tried by the light in which they would probably appear to the unbiased part of mankind?"

[Brotherjohn]

15. LOVE it! Freepers reference the Federalist Papers all the time! (n/t)

[Brotherjohn]

14. This is so easy to counter, and they damn well better EVERY time...

... it is brought up.

It should be the one thing Edwards and Kerry both repeat the most on foreign policy in the remaining debates. Kerry should take the opportunity to re-iterate this key difference, while slapping a lame criticism back in Bush's face.

Not only that, but Kerry should "pre-emptively" address the inevitable "flip-flop" charge that will result, by saying something like:
"Of course, Mr. Bush and the Republicans are going to use this, yet again (in his best Kerry drone), to paint me as a 'flip-flopper'. That's their response to everything, whether the facts back it up or not. What I IN FACT said was that 'No president... has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America."

"The FACTS show that I CLEARLY said that we will NEVER allow another nations to decide when we take pre-emptive action, but that if we do so, we must pass the test 'where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing, and you can prove... that you did it for legitimate reasons'."

"That, I think, is the most basic requirement. We can take whatever action we deem necessary, and I CLEARLY said so in the first debate. But we at the very least owe it to the world AND TO OUR OWN PEOPLE to back up our reasons for doing so. Mr. Bush has failed that test."

[Brotherjohn]

16. Kerry countered it pretty good in this CNN article, calling it "pathetic".

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/kerry.global/index.html

He was even ready with quotes of himself, pointing out the obvious (but necessary) that "if they were honest enough to give America the full quote, which America heard, they would know that I'm never going to allow America's security to be outsourced. That's the job of the president."

As Emeril might say... "BAM!!!"

All at once, painting them as dishonest, pathetic, desperate, and turning the charge of "outsourcing" our security right back at them!

If Kerry keeps this up, this "criticism" will wind up backfiring BIG on them.

Also in the article, Condi Rice is quoted as saying:
"I don't understand 'proving to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons'."

No, Condi, we shouldn't ever have to prove anything to anyone. Bush can just wage war willy nilly at his whim. If that were the case, why the hell did you spend so much time before the war trying to prove to the world that you were doing it for legitimate reasons?

This type of statement only makes them look and sound as scary as they are.

[Shopaholic]

17. I just fired off an e-mail to Wolfie asking him what the Bush

foreign doctrine was entitled. My guess: "We lie our asses off and get the media to cover for us?"

I pointed out the NY Times article yesterday and Condi Rice's admission on his own friggin' show yesterday about how she knew that there was some "controversy" over the "evidence". What more proof do they need that this administration led us into war using FALSE intelligence? But don't count on little Wolfie or the rest of the media whores at CNN to report that type of thing-oh no-they're too busy whoring for BushCo.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. The Kerry Doctrine is: If We Do It, It Shouldn't Be Based On

Bald Faced Lies.

:nuke:

[ClassWarrior]

19. That's right... Be afraid!! Panic!! We're doomed!!! (again.)

~yawn~ They've taken one sentence out of a magnificent debate and stuck a label on it. It matches the pattern of desperation that's spawned Pen-Gate and "Poor Chimpy was tired."

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