Has there EVER been a more incompetent, corrupt administration in history?

[Gabi Hayes]

I mean, come ON?

yesterday, Condi Rice just comes out and SAYS she had no clue regarding the disputes over aluminum tubes

today Rumsfeld says there was no hard/fast connection between AQ/Saddam

they completely IGNORE all the studies warning the morass that Iraq will become

they FIRE Jay Garner when he says it's imperative to start hiring as many Iraqis as possible, to yield over as much transition power to Iraqis, and hold elections as SOON as possible

they IGNORE all warnings from the Clinton admin regarding terrorists, instead concentrating their foreign/defense policy on China/Russia/WMDs!!!! remember that speech Condi was sposed to give on 911 about missile defense?

let's not even start in on subjects like classifying EVERYTHING under the sun, the Energy Papers, the "Clear Skies Initiative, the Healthy Forests" BS, ad infinitum

Mayberry Machiavellis, indeed. they had NO policy people involved at the most crucial levels of power....ALL they were concerned with was molding public opinion in service of election in 2004. this has been the most massive propaganda campaign since Goebbels; mark my words

MAKE IT STOP!!!!

[JohnnyCougar]

1. i think Caligula comes close...

I'd have to rate it:

1. Hitler

2. Bush/Cheney

3. Caligula

[jmowreader]

5. Reverse the first two

Bush/Cheney are as evil and corrupt after 44 months as Hitler was after six years.

[Gabi Hayes]

11. I didn't mention evil, though that's implicit....incompetent

reason I said that is, Kerry can very easily hang his hat on that one

Hitler was NOT incompetent til he started making military decisions

had he let his generals do the strategic planning, we could very well have a tri or quadripartite world today: us, the Russians, the Germans, and the Japanese...they'd NEVER have invaded Russia, and would've been able to take their time, marshalling their forces to get England...we'd be stuck in fortress USA.....



maybe fullbore nuclear war as a result.....Germans getting the bomb at some point, maybe after the Russians, maybe before

Japanese, too, as they'd have established their own Pacific Century, with China being the prize between Russian and them

wouldn't that be interesting?

[Demi_Babe]

2. no

[Maat]

3. I'm doing my part!

But perhaps you can persuade my yahoo-relatives in Oklahoma that Bush isn't the 2nd coming of the Creator!

[yardwork]

4. Each of the top three listed above had adherents who thought they were god

It seems to be part of the whole sick package.

[classof56]

10. I think I may have some OK relatives who think that, too

And I'm not even bothering to ask them WHY they it! Maybe when we're all sharing space in heaven (yeah, I believe I'll get there, same as they will), we can have a long conversation about their wacky religious and political beliefs. As for now, I'm just trying to keep Bush from getting "re"-elected so we don't exit this earth in some major nuclear holocaust in the near future. Because as Bush said when asked how history would remember him: "We'll all be dead so it won't matter now, will it?"

Let's keep doing our part!

DEFEAT BUSH!!

[JohnnyCougar]

14. Just tell them to vote for Carson

Get the Senate back!!!

[Gabi Hayes]

15. amen! though that guy LOOKS and talks like a pug

watched enough of MTP to turn my stomach

what a choice: Ralph Reed dem, vs. Josef Mengele

gackala

[JohnnyCougar]

32. I think he is best case scenario for Oklahoma, though.

who is he replacing Nickles or Imhofe?

[bobbieinok]

33. Nickles

[CityHall]

16. Just explain to them...

...that there is no God, and "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of the law. That should make family reunions real pleasant.

[aquart]

6. Reagan and Nixon are heavy contenders.

The Grant administration? Did I hear something about that?

And whose administration was it when we had Teapot Dome? Or when Mark Twain said, "There is no native criminal class, except Congress."

We've given our votes to some astounding bowel movements.

[Shadow30]

7. well US Grant and Harding.....

...had rather bad administrations but your point is a good one.Neither of them were in the white house at such an important time.All ages may be more or less ages of change and history may be rife with turning points as some might say but some turning points are more important that others.Never have we had such an incompetent and corrupt administration at a time when we were so badly in need of a wise and brillant one.We are in dire need of a new president and if we don't get one I fear for the future.

[urbanguerrilla]

26. I beg to differ on Grant

upstanding guy, but clueless. Though...Reconstruction unimportant?????

Think of an alternate reality with Charles Sumner as prez vs. Grant?

That'd make a bit of a difference, you think?

[T Town Jake]

27. Bullshit. Neither one of them (Grant or Harding)...

...dragged this country into an unnecessary war, nor did they run up record deficits as far as the eye could see while in office. I'd take either one of them right now over the current occupant of the Oval Office.

[leftofthedial]

8. Certianly no administration since 1900

these guys are blatant criminals

how do they keep (allegedly) 50% of the population in sway?

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

9. Is there a

link where this is talked about? I'd love to show this to people. Thanks.

[Gabi Hayes]

13. you're looking at it so far

you might want to check findlaw/John Dean, where he lays out the premise for his seminal book on the Bush junta: Worse Than Watergate

he's more on the corruption side, as well as insane secrecy, but there's plenty of incompetence on display, as well

that's the one that gets me

Homeland security, btw, is a total, utter FIASCO!!!

they can't even communicate interagency

heard about that?

it's a complete cockup

I pity Kerry, if he wins

I MOURN for our country and the world if they steal it again

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. An accurate description...

It is certainly the most corrupt administration in U.S. history. Quite possibly, more corruption in this one than ALL THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED

[Guaranteed]

17. Well, I'm sure there has been.

Dean says the Harding administration was pretty bad, and they DID have a whole lot of scandals.

The problem was we just weren't around at the time. AND, the world wasn't as globalized and we weren't as strong as we are now, either. With those two things factored in, yes, we probably have the most corrupt administration of any country in history. To find something worse we'd probably have to go back to Roman Empire, which I don't know enough about to comment on.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. Let's not go overboard here. While this may well be the most corrupt

American administration in history (though they've got a way to go to beat Reagan -- still, it's four years against 8) I think there are plenty of more corrupt and evil governments - Papa Doc comes to mind, as well as Somoza and Batista and any number of other third world countries where nothing gets done without bribes. And that's where these bums have got us. Saying we're maybe not as bad as some third world basket case.

[Gabi Hayes]

28. NOTHING on the SCALE of the US....they're pikers compared to

the KLEPTOCRACY this place has become

they've all but destroyed EVERY aspect of the economy, and left it for dead

the ramifications have yet to be felt...though they will VERY soon, starting with the explosion of gas/energy prices, followed by interest rates, followed by the bursting housing bubble, followed by the nosedive of the dollar, followed by the loss of overseas creditors, followed by defaulting on said creditors

want me to continue on to medicare/SS, and the like

no comparison to those you cite

I know what you mean, but the effect is much worse, mainly cause they made a lot of what they did LEGAL

see David Cay Johnston on that subject

[sandnsea]

34. Ah, hell, what's a little bribe?

Half the cities and counties in this country operate on bribes and cozy backroom deals. You haven't had a politician go into office broke and 4 years later have property out the wazoo?? Bribes are small potatoes compared with the corruption, incompetence and evil intentions of the Bushies.

[kerryin2004]

18. If only they were caught bugging the DNC..n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

19. that didn't have ANY effect on the 72 election...Nixon won in

just about the biggest landslide ever

it took over two years after the breakin to get him out

we don't have two years....two weeks is more like it

GET GOING KERRY

TAKE OFF the fricking GLOVES already

[kerryin2004]

21. It took actual quality reporting..

and sure it took 2 years to implicate Nixon because of the secrecy of his administration.. It is funny to me how similar it is to Bush'..Similar players, and smilar secrecy..If they didn't have anything to hide then why are they so secret??

[Gabi Hayes]

22. Bush junta makes Nixon look like the model for open government

I don't have the details, but he's increased the number of classified docs by at least 20 percent, and that's conservative

MILLIONS and MILLIONS more docs than need to be

it's being called a fiasco, even by rethuglicans

oh...and we don't HAVE a fourth estate anymore; just a fourth branch of government

we'll never see any more real investigative reporting.....unless, by some miracle, Kerry wins the election and is allowed to assume the reins of government

[Johnny 99]

20. U.S. Grant

Seriously, the corruption in the Grant administration stank to high heaven. Warren Harding's joke of a couple of years come pretty damn close as well.

[Gabi Hayes]

24. neither grant/s NOR Harding's admins had the potential

to destroy the WORLD

they were bad, but certainly not the combination of incomp/corrup/mendacio that this junta has achieved

nuff said?

[lsuguy]

23. IMPEACH

Just saw the movie "Uncovered" tonight. While there isn't anything new in it, it's a stunning collection of the corrupt circumstances that brought us to war in Iraq.

Why aren't more people talking about impeachment given the severity of the consequences??

[T Town Jake]

29. In a word: No. eom. (n/t)

[Gabi Hayes]

30. hey! thanks for the input!

really ads to the discussion

[T Town Jake]

31. Well, if you don't want an answer to your question, no matter how...

...succinct, please refrain from hitting the "Post" button and asking the question in the first place.
Jeezus, but that's a nasty reply to someone who agrees with your premises. Excuse me for agreeing with you - I shan't do so again.

[VOX]

35. NO! Never so blatently, and with a grip on all branches of government...

at once. There are no longer any sufficient checks ang balances (at least Reagan and Nixon had to deal with Democratic congresses). This is administration is the **worst** in U.S. history.

And thank God we have a chance to do something about it on November 2.

[Hello_Kitty]

37. If it isn't stolen again. n/t

[saracat]

36. No, at least not one that was ever so obvious. They flaunt it!

[MrBenchley]

38. Harding is the closest

But Harding didn't have a war under false pretenses....

But Harding did have a suicide in his cabinet AND got poisoned by his wife...

[opihimoimoi]

39. This is treachery disguised as Good ole boys doing their work.....

[liberal N proud]

40. This admin is close to Hitler! n/t

[ogradda]

41. not in america

nixon didn't even come close :(