Steve Bartman is to the 2003 Cubs as Ralph Nader is to Gore in 2000.

[eyesroll]

I had this conversation awhile ago with someone who voted for Nader in 2000, won't do so in 2004, not because of the "spoiler" but because he thought Nader's gone nuts.

Anyhow.
Right? Wrong?

Discuss.

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. Please don't remind me of that name!!!!!

Bartman shall dwell forever in infamy.

[ComerPerro]

2. Actually, ... yes.

in so many ways.

The debate around Bartman is similar to the debate about Nader.

[eyesroll]

4. Exactly.

This was intended as an open-ended question.

[bluestateguy]

3. I wonder what all of his defenders are saying now

After the Cubs were bounced from the playoffs last year they said "we'll get 'em next year".

Well, next year has come and gone. What do they have to say?

Crickets chirping.

[Magrittes Pipe]

5. Same with Yoko.

The Beatles broke up on their own; but she was there, and got blamed.

The Cubs couldn't field; but Bartman was there, and got blamed.

Gore lost because he couldn't carry his own home state; but Nader was there, and got blamed.

I could go on and on.... ;)

[Julien Sorel]

6. Bartman was more than "just there."

I could go on and on, but I find the typical Nadir apologist too stupid to be worth the effort any longer.

[Magrittes Pipe]

9. Nader is an asshat. Gore lost the election because of his own incompetence

Those two statements are NOT mutually exclusive.

Bartman fucked up. Alex Gonzalez couldn't field a routine grounder. Those two statements are also NOT mutually exclusive.

And if you think for a second that I'm an apologist for Ralphie-boy, I am certainly not the "stupid" one.

[Julien Sorel]

10. You're apologizing for him.

Therefore you're a Nadir apologist. It's somewhat elementary. Even a stupid person would see that.

[Magrittes Pipe]

12. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're funny when you say things.

[KharmaTrain]

7. Not If You're A White Sox Fan...LOL

Bartman was like Howard Dean/Wesley Clark/Dennis Kucinich/Abraham Lincoln/Jesus Christ/Fanny Brice/Humphrey Bogart/Crosby, Stills, Nash and/or Young all rolled into one.

As Jack Brickhouse once said..."any team can have a bad century". Plus, real Democrats can never support a team owned by the Right Wing Tribune Company.

[lil-petunia]

8. and Sosa to the 2004 Flubs?

hey, this has to be the latest in the season that we start hearing that horrific sound ,

"wait til next year"

[RetroLounge]

11. You are not to ever mention that name in my presence!

But hey, the Cubs did win one more game than last year...

Sigh...

RL

[eyesroll]

13. I was in Ditka's in Chicago for a corporate party the night of that game.

Picture a bunch of well-dressed businessmen yelling at the TV screen, all while their bosses' bosses simultaneously yelled along side them and hoped this wouldn't ruin the night's potential sales.