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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:53 PM
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For 18 mos after 9/11, WHO harbored 200 al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq?
The amazing answer: George W. Bush! THREE TIMES, over a period of many months, his National Security Council vetoed Pentagon plans to annihilate Abu Musab Zarqawi's terrorist camp. The camp was separated from areas under Saddam Hussein's control by a U.S. "no fly zone".

Abu Musab Zarqawi, who now has the same $25 million price on his head as Osama, ran a well-known anti-Saddam terror camp in US-controlled Iraqi Kurdistan, for a year and a half AFTER 9/11. A respected veteran NBC reporter, Jim Miklaszewski reported seven months ago that, on THREE separate occasions, the Bush White House HALTED specific Pentagon battle plans to obliterate Zarqawi's gang out when they still were all in one place.

The reason for this bizarre WH behavior was their "Terror Haven invasion pretext": If the WH could not point to "Iraqi terrorists", they had no chance to sustain their false claim that Iraq was a "terrorist haven" needing foreign invasion to overthrow Saddam.

Problem: The terrorists were in an area of Iraq BUSH controlled, not Saddam! Saddam was not harboring terrorists: they were trying--in vain before Bush helped them by sending Saddam into hiding--to bring down his regime and replace it with a Sunni fundamentalist state. In their "little Tora-Bora", protected from Saddam by the US "no fly zone", Zarqawi's group prohibited educating women, outlawed photography, and banned MUSIC! Saddam was not harboring terrorists; BUSH was! And not just ANY terrorist, but a younger and more active clone of Osama bin Laden:

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Zarqawi and his men: Where are their Bush/Cheney buttons?



Do you remember this photo from mid-May? Wearing the tres chic hoods are Abu Musab Zarqawi, Iraqi terrorist leader responsible for the demise of hundreds of US military personnel, and four of his men. Seated on the floor in orange is Nicholas Berg, an American hostage whose HEAD Zarqawi himself was about to saw off.

You may ask, how did this situation come about? Why are these men even at large? There are well over 100,000 US troops looking for them. How do they continue to escape capture?

The AMAZING answer is, THE WHITE HOUSE PROTECTED THEM FROM THE PENTAGON, THREE TIMES, as recently as a year and a half after 9/11!

In a recent column, Arianna Huffington comments on Rove/Bush/Cheney's relentless campaign to portray John Kerry as "soft" on terrorism, to win over otherwise solidly Democratic "Security Women". She writes,

'Somewhere -- and I don't think it's heaven -- Lee Atwater is smiling. ... WHAT'S NEXT, A PHOTO OF ABU MUSAB AL-ZARQAWI SPORTING A KERRY-EDWARDS CAMPAIGN BUTTON?" (From http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=736 )

But a seven-month old MSNBC story by the respected Jim Miklaszewski strongly suggests Zarqawi and company should be wearing BUSH/CHENEY buttons, not Kerry/Edwards buttons:

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From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

'MSNBC - Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind: Abu Musab Zarqawi blamed for more than 700 killings in Iraq

By Jim Miklaszewski, Correspondent, NBC News. Updated: 7:14 p.m. ET March 2, 2004

Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq. But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself, but never pulled the trigger.

In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide. The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, THE PLAN WAS DEBATED TO DEATH IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL.

Four months later, intelligence showed Zarqawi was planning to use ricin in terrorist attacks in Europe. THE PENTAGON DREW UP A SECOND STRIKE PLAN, AND THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN KILLED IT. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq. 'People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president's policy of preemption against terrorists, according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.

In January 2003, the threat turned real. Police in London arrested six terror suspects and discovered a ricin lab connected to the camp in Iraq. THE PENTAGON DREW UP STILL ANOTHER ATTACK PLAN, AND FOR THE THIRD TIME, THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL KILLED IT...."

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Two blog threads provide many more details of this amazing, unreported, unknown story.

There's a March 2004 thread at Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/4/2045/08540

and a DU thread this week from SoCalDemocrat, summarized at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=909236&mesg_id=916224&page=

The actual video of Nicholas Berg's beheading is accessible through a link to a report by Stacy Case in the right-hand column at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/24/60minutes/main645596.shtml
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:56 PM
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1. Actually, There's No Proof that the Men in that Photo Are Zarqawi and His
Men...As a matter of fact, there's lot's of evidence that it's NOT Zarqawi...For instance, none of them are missing a leg...Just thought I'd mention that...
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:59 PM
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2. Well,
that could be true, but you can't really tell. Zarqawi may have a fake leg, or he may not. It's open to speculation.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:35 PM
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6. Huh?
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:38 PM
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8. There's not much proof to determine either
Zarqawi may have a prostetic leg, and it's kind of hard to see who someone is when their face isn't visible.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 01:09 AM
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17. .
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:12 PM
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4. Thanks for the kick. Why do you think Miklaszewski's story remains buried?
It's been "out there" for more than seven months now. Has anybody even followed up and asked McClellan about it?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:37 PM
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7. Why?
It's a dangerous story to pursue. :shrug: Why does the media ignore countless incredible stories?

Thanks for posting this again though, personally, I think it's incredibly important.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:04 PM
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3. Except they weren't actually in Iraq
They were in Kurdistan, which has been out of Saddam Hussein's control and in the USA's control for over a decade.

So the USA harbored this group for 12 years.

And WHICH NATION'S UNIVERSITY did the lead hijacker graduate from?

-USA

And WHICH NATION were the 911 hijackers freely and openly living in, some for years prior to the attacks?

-USA

And WHICH NATION gave several of the 911 hijackers special entry visas to enter the USA?

-USA

And in WHICH NATION did the 911 hijackers learn to fly planes in?

-USA

uh huh.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:14 PM
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5. Hold on a minute. You're jumping from Kurdistan terrorists to 9/11 terrorists--
Are you implying there's a link between the two?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:05 PM
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15. No I'm not.
But the bushCartel keep trying to tie Iraq to 911 thru Zarqawi. I'm saying even if you WRONGLY assume Zarqawi was/is affiliated with al Qaeda (he is not), he was still NOT in Iraq being harbored by Hussein; he was in US CONTROL.

I'm saying that IN FACT Zarqawi was under US CONTROL over the past decade.

He was NOT under Saddam Hussein's control, and hadn't been for more than 12 years.

He was NOT a link between Hussein/Iraq and al Qaeda/911 in any way, shape or form.

And of course there's the FACT that bush said NO three times to the US military's plans for taking Zarqawi out before the invasion; bush said killing Zarqawi before the US invasion of Iraq would "DIMINISH" his ability to get American approval for the invasion.

Blaming Hussein/Iraq for Zarqawi is only possible by people who are bald-faced LIARS...or for those totally without any capability for logical & rational thought.

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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:04 AM
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16. Good answer--now we largely agree. But was Zarqawi actually in Iraqi
Kurdistan for the entire life of the US no-fly zone? When did he get out of prison?
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:44 PM
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9. Yep but after all the misadministration kept saying "IRAQ had ties to
terrorist." Over and over!
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:11 PM
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10. I wonder whether Nick Berg's parents, other families of slain hostages,
and Iraq Veterans Against the War know that Dubya vetoed THREE chances to wipe out Zarqaqi BEFORE his gang metastasized and killed their friends and loved ones.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:06 PM
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11. Gwen Ifil just asked Cheney about a CIA report showing no Zarqawi-Saddam
ties. She should have asked him about Miklaszewski's report, that DUBYA protected Zarqawi!
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:18 PM
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12. SHAFT!
Hey, somebody had to do it.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:28 PM
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13. George Bush walks with his arms away from his sides, like a gunslinger--
I just can't see him in platform shoes!
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:33 PM
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14. Cheney's HUGE debate lie: 'Zarqawi was in Baghdad' before the war
hat would put Zarqawi under Saddam's dominion rather than under the protection of George Bush above the US "no fly zone". And no one called him on this whopper!
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 01:32 AM
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18. We need info on Pentagon dates

On what dates did the Pentagon go to Bush and request permission to conduct the air strikes?

We need that info and supporting documents. With it, we can go after Bush and crucify him.

All I have is the MSNBC story.

al-Zarqawi, the evil terrorist that Bush used to link Saddam to Al Qaeda and 9-11.
al-Zarqawi, whom Bush helped secure a foothold in Iraq in a policy that has backfired "big-time". The Bush policy in Iraq for two years following September the 11th was the opposite of fighting terrorism--it was to PROTECT terrorists and use them as political pawns to gain oil and power.

al-Zarqawi, whom the U.S. was secretly asking for help in Iraq just months after 9-11.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/030503_ansar....

al-Zarqawi, who for two years was based in NE Iraq with Ansar Al Islam, his terrorirst organization.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2149499.st...

al-Zarqawi, and “Al Ansar had ties to Al Qaeda, some members shared training camps in Afghanistan… he developed chemical and biological weapons which were unleashed on targets in Europe. The U.S. was fully aware of his presence and the base from the get go.”
-– Christian Science Monitor, BBC July 24, 2002

al-Zarqawi, on whose behalf President Bush interceded three times to protect him from Pentagon air strikes intent on destroying Zarqawi and his camp.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601 /

al-Zarqawi, and Iraq's Tora Bora, which could of been "crushed" with U.S. help.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1122/p01s02-wome.html

al-Zarqawi, who Colin Powell cited as the reason for going to war in Iraq on Feb 5th.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300.htm

al-Zarqawi, whom Qatar gave safe refuge and a million dollars; a Bush "ally" in the war on terror.
http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/526/1/3 / (from NY Times)

al-Zarqawi, and his group have spread by the time the U.S. invades Iraq.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/2020/iraq030221_an...

al-Zarqawi, and his Ansar-al-Islam "Al-Qaida-linked" group behind majority of post-9/11 terror deaths in Iraq.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4428430 /

al-Zarqawi, Bush finally attacks the base but it's far too late.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81843,00.html

al-Zarqawi, re-emerges with his renamed group "Tawhid and Jihad -- which means Monotheism and Holy War".
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=...

al-Zarqawi, who is credited for sawing off the head of Nick Berg in a how-to video for future terrorists.

al-Zarqawi, blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq. … Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation … but never pulled the trigger.”
-– NBC News March 2, 2004
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4428430 /

"Mission Accomplished" -George W. Bush, 2003

More background material:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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