OFFICIAL EDWARDS-CHENEY DEBATE THREAD #11

[Skinner]

[joshcryer]

1. Edwards is winning.

:)

[charlie105]

2. You sure???????

[da_chimperor]

21. I'm sure, but we'll have to keep a leash on the GOP spin

[0007]

50. Let 'em spin and then we can bring Dick Cheney's lies out in the

open.

Edwards is winning with the truth on the facts.

Cheney is winning with the lies on the facts.

[da_chimperor]

92. Definitely, the transcript will provide lots of opportunities

[DixieDem]

OMG!!! Are you actually watching this debate or not???

Edwards is wiping up the floor with the Bush/Cheney towel. How can they possibly spin this?

[da_chimperor]

8. Hell yeah, he's so much better at this, DICK didn't have a chance

[berner59]

He is SOOO connecting with the people...

They will probably call it a draw but Edwards hasn't lost anything for Kerry...

[rocktivity]

3. Cheney sounds like he's talking to himself

and looks like it too--I have yet to see him pick up his head and look into the camera!

[Cleopatra2a]

13. he's even putting JE to sleep n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

4. Cheney is whining

[demnan]

5. Man - I just got on line

Edwards is really kicking ass, ain't 'e :bounce:

[AntiFascist]

6. The AIDS epidemic: spread by the right wing under Reagan

[Fleshdancer]

7. I never expected an AIDS question

Sounds like Cheney is surprised by it too.

[lasttrip]

9. JE MORE than holding his own. definate win

[givemebackmycountry]

10. He's holding serve

And that's all he needs to do.

[jasmeel]

20. I didn't know about that statistic? Try I don't care!!

[Misunderestimator]

36. I totally agree... as long as Edwards stands strong he's won

And frankly, Cheney is talking over the average American's head... Edwards is speaking plain...

[dumpster_baby]

11. Doesn't it bother anyone that JE sounds so conservative?

please Tell me how he sounds like a democrat!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

28. Tax cuts for middle class not rich

Fight big HMO, rights for gay couples...

[dumpster_baby]

Sorry, but I am listening to this debate

and it seems like every other sentence out of Edwards' mouth includes the phrase "tax relief". And then he spends so much talking about how much war America would wage on terrorists under Kerry.

How can you do anything on social issues AND wage all this war AND give tax relief??!

[lasttrip]

31. also sounds very COMPASSIONATE

[Tatiana]

40. He's from North Carolina.

They tend to be a bit more conservative down there. He's still hitting on some key issues like health care, jobs, and rolling back tax cuts for the wealthy.

[politicat]

42. I'm not happy with him, but he's pulling the Southern Vote....

And if it comes to it, he won't be entirely scary as a president. (Entropy forbid.)

He's better than Zell and better than Lieberman.

Pcat

[GreenArrow]

44. it bothers me

but I knew it going in to this. And look at the other guy...now THAT is conservative.

[Misunderestimator]

45. Not really... He needs to appeal to a broad spectrum

[henslee]

51. Dumpster.... let him sway the fencesitters... Do you want him to wear

A Kucinich button?

[PopSixSquish]

You're Beginning to Sound Like a Broken Record

Remember, we're Democrats. We like diverse opinions.

[realFedUp]

12. Dick rambling on about something.....

He lost me about four years ago....

[AngryLizard]

39. Edwards is writing and obviously listening at the same time

He clearly has his shit together. He hasn't been caught off-guard at any point. And I LOVE his tie!

[Peanut Gallery]

70. He's been fighting hard

He hasn't backed down, he's retained his compsure. He is not letting Cheney walk all over him like Lieberman did. And, he still comes across like a nice guy.

[funkybutt]

14. Cheney mumbles, it makes it hard to listen

I just keep tuning him out...his voice is making me sleepy. Blah blah blah blah...what?

[autorank]

15. Cheney gives great corporate head...but he's weak here.

[vetwife]

46. Cheney is such a liar that Edwards is having a hard time keeping up

the distortions. So far The pundits will call for a Cheney win or a tie but I wish Edwards would just flat say...You are making money off the war Mr. Vice President !

[elcondor]

"[Bush is concerned about [AIDS]"

Thanks. I'm sure those stricken with AIDS appreciate that.

:grr:

[BlackVelvetElvis]

16. Cheney: Thinking about AIDS in economic terms not human terms

[elcondor]

23. EXACTLY

My thoughts exactly

[da_chimperor]

Just. Plain. Evil.

[maveric]

37. People are just worker numbers to Dick.

What an evil fuck!

[curse10]

17. he doesn't know!!!!!!

:wtf:

[genius]

18. Edwards is going to easy on Cheney

[No2W2004]

19. yeah, lets hear about those

abstanence only programs shrub forces on countries

[richabk]

22. Of course he's concerned about AIDS....

The less he does for it, the fewer people to vote for the Democrats.

[shanti]

24. good on gwen for bringing up AIDS and black women

cheney barely addressed this, bullshit lipservice. he does NOT care.

[K8-EEE]

25. Cheney is DRONING & Being Purposely Confusing

Edwards disappointed me on only one or two answers, on the whole I think he had some KILLER SMACK DOWNS and besides, he's a hottie!

[funkybutt]

60. I agree..i don't even know what he said!

it's like he rambles in a conscious attempt to let listeners tune out and loose interest in what hes saying so that we don't focus on the details of what he's speaking of!

[Skip Intro]

26. oh yeah

cheney needed a knckout big enough to erase bush's miserable appearance last Thrus.

Instead, he got his ass kicked.

[GreenArrow]

27. Question/comment on Cheney's Energy Task Force, anyone?

.

[JerseygirlCT]

35. Yeah... only 15 minutes to go

[Kurovski]

29. Cheney already seems to be losing his stamina.

How the hell does he run the country. From a Stearns and Foster?

[realFedUp]

30. So much info....so much to dissect for the truth.

[Duncan Grant]

Tommy Thompson hasn't signed funding for AIDS programs!!!!!!

[ReadTomPaine]

32. Cheney's main flaw has been his surprisingly nervous performance...

He's know for his even tone - so this is new to most. He's been no Bush pushover tho.

[realFedUp]

47. Not his best performance

and throwing out untruthful data is so easy....

[0007]

98. Cheney can be busted so easy with all the erroneous facts

he's presented tonight, it is a big problem with this administration.

They have been busted tonight!

[Fleshdancer]

33. JK and JE want to double the $ to cure global AIDS epidemic

and brought up moral issue of genicide in Sudan

[Fleshdancer]

63. A long resume does NOT equal good judgement. I love that line

[leftist.]

34. Cheney is losing steam big time.

No way anyone can say Cheney won. At the very least, people will see it as a draw which is a win for us given the expectations people placed on Cheney to just take it to Edwards.

Edwards comes out looking more Presidential as well. Nice going Edwards! w00t!

[GaryL]

F*** a draw!!!!

JE kicked his ass.

[funkybutt]

38. Edwards addressing international AIDS problems when question was about US

[sonicx]

yeah

oh well

[No2W2004]

62. As did Cheney

..

[Zomby Woof]

41. if grading on style AND substance

Substance of Dick: Lies, often.
Style of Dick: Snarls, constantly.

Substance of Edwards: Facts, clarity.
Style of Edwards: Precise, direct.

Now who the hell can rebut THAT?

[Texas_Dem]

48. oh yes. that Cheney can lie the horns off a goat.

[bigpathpaul]

43. Neither one was prepared for the AIDs question! n/t

[ReadTomPaine]

54. Most folks here didn't seem to be expecting it either!

[lasttrip]

49. "heartbeat away" lol

[da_chimperor]

52. Oh, VP experience: I think JE's prepared lots for this

[AngryLizard]

72. Yeah, Edwards is about to get spanked on this one though

I'm thinking Cheney is going to bring up the WMD info. He's chomping at the bit to answer this.

[crispini]

78. Yep, he's sounding good on this

Long resume does not equal good governance. true dat.

Man! Cheneyster's running out of gas.

wyoming again. FEH.

[neomonkey]

53. What a fucked up question, Gwen

To questions a man's ability. Why don't you question Dickless' integrity?

[jasmeel]

He's gonna be hit on the "idea" of how to deal with it, Cheney's

gonna say it's experience.

[Habibi]

DU is getting overloaded

Images are loading at a glacial pace.

[bagnana]

55. Cheney looks like a giant peach head.

Seriously. A big, snarling, scary peach head.

[Tatiana]

56. What qualifies Edwards to be Vice-President?

Ugh.

[Lerkfish]

57. WTF???? Moderator asks why Edwards has less experience????

I mean, c'mon people...you people defending this woman have no credibility in my book.

[da_chimperor]

64. I don't like her, biased questions against JE

[UCLA02]

58. JE missed a big opportunity on the AIDS issue...

(I believe this is still the case)

The $15B set aside for world AIDS relief only goes to those countries that promote abstinence as the sole means of prevention.

[rocktivity]

59. What qualifies Edwards to be a heartbeat away?

His heart WORKS, LOL!!!

[Peanut Gallery]

101. *lol*

And Cheney should have answered that by saying - "What qualifies me is that I am, in fact, the President."

[Memekiller]

61. He has a longer resume than BUSH!!!

[da_chimperor]

73. SAY IT! Come on john! "I have no less experience than BUSH . . . "

"when he took office"

[Brucey]

75. Edwards did not

do a great job on that one. Should have been better prepared.

[napi21]

65. Fifteen minutes to go. Will Cheney last? Edwards will!

[elcondor]

83. LOL . . . that could be taken so many ways!

Of course my dirty mind went right to the gutter!! ;-)

[ellie]

66. A long resume does not equal good judgement.

[Misunderestimator]

67. A long resume does not equal good judgment

[LiberalFighter]

68. A long resume does not equal good judgement!!

Good!!!!!!!!!

[lasttrip]

69. "a long resume does not equal good judgement-GO JE

[kodi]

71. 75 minutes into this and edwards is shown as cheney's equal

it removes the advantage that the bush/cheney ticket heralded by having the voice of experience on their side.

essentially, the vp nominee of either party now off the table as a factor and it will be focused on bush versus kerry.

advantage kerry

[AngryLizard]

81. TOTALLY

[lasttrip]

90. he did that and more. great job by JE

[The River]

74. Edwards IS Winning

in both Substance and Style.
Bush lost his debate because he is a moron.
Cheney is loosing this debate because he is a LIAR!
The DICK is DOWN!

[Owl]

76. Cheney is a miserable human being

He drones on and on in his boring tone. And if you can stand to listen you hear he is a miserable boring human being. He cares nothing about anything except lining his corrupt pockets.

[Dudley_DUright]

77. Cheney picked himself as VP

Bush did not asked him.

[crispini]

96. snerk. true dat.

[AntiFascist]

79. Bush's approach to picking a VP: HELP!!!

[acmavm]

80. Point out that bush was only a frigging governor and now he's the

(not really) President of the US. Bush had not frigging experience at ANYTHING, at least nothing that he ever succeeded in .

What the hell is this woman doing, and who does she think she is? She's but such a bias and slant on this debate that she needs to just shut up and to away.

[ReadTomPaine]

82. Cheney was even shocked by her bias with this question.

[Ellen Forradalom]

97. Speaking of heartbeat......

How's the ol' ticker, Mr. Cheney?

[whodiedandmadeUSgod]

84. Where is Cheney's upper lip?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

85. We need someone with experience...so vote Kerry!

[Jade Fox]

86. Edwards comment about Cheney's daughter seemed make Cheney fold...

he stopped attacking Edwards and even looked a little admiringly at him
when he was answering the tort reform question.

[henslee]

Cheney did not fall on his face. Media will probl. spin pro Cheney.

Something we have to accept. Imp. thing...Mr. Twinkly charisma shined. A win for him, too. We come out of this looking good.

[JerseygirlCT]

99. I'm afraid of that, too.

[LynneSin]

87. The reason that Cheney is vice president.....

...is because Cheney was the head of Bush's VP selection committee and he recommended himself

:grr:

[napi21]

88. Braging about himself now!

Cheney is slowing down rapidly!

[Misunderestimator]

89. Edwards has a much tougher job since he's debating a person

who has a brain, but I think he is doing quite well. Cheney STILL has not once rebutted anything about Halliburton.

[countmyvote4real]

91. I don't have any further political ambitions.

That's because Cheney is ALREADY the President.

[Fatima]

93. Cheney really rambling now..."my agenda is his (W's) agenda"

oh please...

and what a non-answer!

[Shadow30]

94. Chenney is starting to....

...sound distracted,like he has his mind on something else or he is bored or depressed.

[CitySky]

95. Wyoming, Shwyoming

Cyborg was a TEXAN until he changed his voter reg to qualify for Veep.

[Fleshdancer]

100. Cheney just smirked when JE brought up JK's Vietnam experience

[Skinner]

102. THREAD 12 IS OPEN

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