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Tue Oct-05-04 09:13 PM
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Cheney won foreign policy. |
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Edwards is winning domestic policy. Domestic policy is more important. It also comes last, which is what people remember.
But Cheney is not coming across as unlikeable.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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1. He sold his soul to the devil |
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again...to borrow a "happy face" tonight.....
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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20. THAT's his happy face????? |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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2. He lied through his teeth. eom |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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8. Cheney is winning because he is such a good liar... |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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basically, I just don't believe him. Lies don't win a debate.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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4. He is coming across as unlikeable |
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I think his attacks on Edwards will backfire. He comes across as intelligent but also as cranky and mean.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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19. Edwards attacked him, too. |
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It's not a one-way street. To tell the truth, I hated Cheney before tonight; now I find myself liking the guy as well-meaning, but wrong -- he's made catastrophic errors, but he thought he was doing the right thing at the time. After watching Bush last week, on the other hand, I just hated him more.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:18 PM
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27. Cheney is the man behind the curtain |
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The evil genius behind Bush. Totally unlikable no matter how he tries to present some kind of grandfatherly role.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:20 PM
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31. cheney is well meaning? you've got to be kidding me..... |
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i'm watching this and he comes off as a snarly, nasty cremudgeon. he is coming off exactly as he has always has. nothing new.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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38. Edwards attacked him too. |
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I didn't see the very first part because c-span's website was down, but from what I saw, Edwards attacked first. Cheney counterpunched. He comes across as a little nasty when he does. I expected him to come across differently though, meaner, and there's actually humanity there. When Edwards attacks, he is smooth.
As I'm typing this, it seems the fight is going out of Cheney, and Edwards is taking over.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:41 PM
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41. Who else was like that?? At least the cranky and mean? |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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5. Yeah right, Cheney has always spoken with forked tongue |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:14 PM
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7. not coming across as unlikeable? |
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He's coming across as either boring or condescending or a liar.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:15 PM
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Cheney came across as reticent and dishonest and confusing.
Edwards was clear, crisp, forceful and most of all informed.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:15 PM
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10. i dont think cheney won at all on foreign policy |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:15 PM
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He is only winning if you stipulate that everything he says is true! Carve out the BS and what you have left is pathetic.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:15 PM
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12. Cheney can lie the horns off a billy goat. |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:16 PM
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13. no. by defending the F*CKUP over in Iraq...he's lost by default. |
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it's about what WILL happen to make things better. All he did was lie, lie, and lie about what the HELL they are up to.
I can't wait to call in on the radio shows and talk about it.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:16 PM
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He was so busy trying to attack that he never answered questions. He will be looked on more unfavorable after this debate
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:16 PM
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15. Lying again about 9/11-Saddam does not constitute a "win" |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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16. WTF are you watching? |
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Edwards was actually stronger on FP than he's been on DP. He's besting Cheney easily.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:19 PM
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Edwards was far better than Cheney on foreign policy |
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Who could defend *'s record on Iraq and Bin Ladin?
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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17. He lied through the entire thing |
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and JE pointed out the lies he told. I think JE won it...people now know that the vP lies through his teeth.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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I don't care if this get's me banned |
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YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!
That was a smackdown, a rout, a humilation of Cheney.
Has DU gone insane?!
God knows I'm no cheerleader, I'm not even an Edwards fan. But this is nuts.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:19 PM
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Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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I'll fight to the death to defend you.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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Cheney lied on foreign policy, the media won't catch it, but so long the campaign points it out loudly, it is okay.
Cheney is coming across as ,dare I say, a grumpy old man...
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:17 PM
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Edwards has won the last two thirds, but not by a crushing margin.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:18 PM
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22. Not coming across as too Satanic. |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:18 PM
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23. i don't agree, but cheney 's lying apparently gives him the upperhand to |
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some, including the media i guess. :(
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:18 PM
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24. Totally disagree. The facts are on Edwards' side. People know |
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Iraq is a disaster. That is all but the hard core 30% who will support Bush no matter what. Edwards simply had to remind them of the failures of this administration.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:18 PM
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25. BillyBunter fouls out to the catcher. n/t |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:18 PM
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he hit the points of going to Iraq instead of where bin Laden was etc..
Edwards hit his points like Kerry did on foreign policy. All Cheney could do was keep saying 'terror' and the usual hollow talking points.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:19 PM
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28. How did Cheney win on foreign policy? |
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:19 PM
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30. Cheney didn't come close to winning foreign policy. He was destroyed. |
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First, Edwards' Halliburton attack was significant because it was so concise, so specific, and so pointed, Cheney was rattled enough to spend the next two or three speaking opportunities to keep addressing the Halliburton attack. The issues covered during this lapse belonged to Edwards because his positions were not contested.
Second, Edwards' argumentation regarding the distortions Cheney uttered right to his face, Cheney was unable to cope with the substance of those, instead falling back on stump-speech rhetoric.
There are many other areas where JE kicked his ass on foreign policy but these will do for now.
:D
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:20 PM
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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i think Edwards very direct statement that the American people know the truth about how bad things are in Iraq no matter how the vp tries to spin them was the most powerful, and the most memorable, statement made during the foreign policy debate ...
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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35. That's total bullshit |
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Cheney is showing what a complete failure he is with foriegn policy.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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36. Edwards blasted him on Foreign affairs |
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Anyone would be more likable than Bush.
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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37. Cheney is playing right into his high negatives |
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I hope they have focus groups they go to after the debate. I want to see what undecided voters who aren't political junkies think about this....
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Tue Oct-05-04 09:27 PM
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39. What debate are you watching |
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Cheney has mubbled his way through this whole debate. JE certainly did win the foreign policy debate, as well as all the rest. He's been fantastic.
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