Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Edwards' Gay Marriage Answer: A Train Wreck

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
Original message
Edwards' Gay Marriage Answer: A Train Wreck
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:27 PM by Plaid Adder
Let me say that overall I think Edwards is doing quite well. However, his answer to the gay marriage question was horrible.

1) First of all, what Cheney said about the MA state supreme court ordering MA to amend its state constitution to include gay marriage is just wrong. They MA state court judged that the MA state constitution mandates that same-sex couples be treated equally, and ordered the legislature to find a way to do that. It's the anti-gay marriage forces that are now trying to amend the mA state constitution to BAN gay marriage. Edwards should have called him on that.

2) Second, it was not necessary for Edwards to get into whether they believe marriage is between a man and a woman or not, and when he was trying to explain about the necessity for benefits he sounded desperately uncomfortable with the whole thing. The only point he needed to make was that historically marriage and family law have been the domain of the states and not the federal government, and that to attempt to pass a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage was violating this tradition just to pull off a political stunt.

3) Edwards did try to make that point...but instead of mentioning DOMA, he said that "in 200 years a state has never been forced to recognize another state's marriage." That's just completely wack. The full faith and credit clause has certainly been used to force states to recognize marriages that are valid in other states, especially over the issue of interracial marriage, and that's exactly why everyone rammed DOMA through as soon as the issue came up. It may be that he didn't want to bring up DOMA because Kerry voted against it; but still, we couldn't figure out what the hell he was talking about. Since it's unlikely that nobody is going to call him on these mistakes, we can only assume that either he doesn't actually know what the legal issues are, or he was so uncomfortable with the question that he screwed it up.

ARGH!

Of course, we were disappointed that he didn't mention Liza having met him and personally appealed to him to support gay marriage...but we weren't really expecting it. Maybe he was distracted by the memory of her heartfelt plea and his own guilt for rejecting it.

At the end of the day, it's not really going to matter much; I don't think the swing voters give a shit, if you want to know the truth. And Edwards knows damn well that Liza and I are voting for these guys anyway no matter what comes out of his mouth tonight. But damn. Betray us if you want, but you could at LEAST get the facts right.

@#$!,

The Plaid Adder
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. Plaid! You some kind of closet freeper?
Just joking. Someone had to say it you know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. never mind. sigh. n/t
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM by Plaid Adder
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. He did seem to get himself twisted in a knot on that didn't he?
I spent that part of it scratching my head and going WTF???
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. You should have gone with your first response.
Honesty in all things, and in all things honesty. Particularly to yourself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
3. don't you mean Cheney's NON ANSWER?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC