I don't know what fucking debate you people saw

[Nimble_Idea]

But the Debate where Edwards destroyed Cheney was a masterpiece. Edwards not only had this fool stunted, he had him backed up and no thought of where to go. Cheney kept saying..."I don't know where to begin" He said that several times. He also returned to his talking points over and over, admittedly so did Edwards, but Edwards came there WITH that plan, and Cheney didn't know what the heck he was doing. Cheney Looked so uncomfortable at the closing statement. He kept Fidgeting with his hands, it was like he wasn't sure of himself. He kept stumbling over his words, which I rarely saw Cheney do....It was plain for all of America to see. Should Edwards have to be Commander in Chief or Dick Cheney....The American People have spoken...it was the clear winner, John Edwards.

So for the rest of you who think you have to sit here and absorb shit from the TV, and so easily manipulated by it, I feel sorry for you. But 2-3 days from now, there is no question the American people saw Edwards win that Debate, and will give Edwards the Nod on Nov. 2nd.

On EDIT: KEY POINTS

Cheney: I don't know if I can Answer that in 30 seconds...

Moderator: THATS ALL YOU GOT.


Moderator: Respond to Edwards talking about Gay Daughter
Cheney : I thank Edwards and have nothing else to say. (In other words, Go Cheney yourself Shrub)


It was simpley amazing.

Edwards said EXACTLY what I have been wanting John Kerry to say.

Shrub is FOR TAX CUTS for PEOPLE OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS.
Kerry is FOR TAX CUTS for PEOPLE who KEEPS JOBS HERE IN AMERICA.

It's that simple! And John Edwards WON big time. And Ohio will speak loud and Clear. Thank God for John Edwards, I take back anything I ever said bad about you. Tonight you proved you were the right choice for VP!!

On 2nd EDIT: Edwards showed that he was far smarter than Cheney. He was alert and kept cheney on the defense. Cheney like I said before was hit so hard and at so many angles "I don't know where to begin" because he got beat up bad by the bad boy himself John Edwards. John Edwards really impressed me tonight.

Kerry-Edwards!!

[libbygurl]

1. AMEN!!! n/t

[Nimble_Idea]

3. Thank you!

:)

[irancontra]

2. A-*******-MEN!

edwards smacked his buffoon ass.

[Nimble_Idea]

5. yes yes

John Kerry will be president. And we can thank GOD for that!

[atre]

4. I think it was predetermined

that the press was going to call it for Cheney, because it gives them more stories to run on the "horse race" aspect of it all.

[Nimble_Idea]

13. yeah tweety had his marching orders

what a fat puke.

[Rick Myers]

6. It did go VERY well!!!

I'm happy, and proud!!!

:toast:

[Texas_Dem]

7. If it were not for all the lies Cheney was telling, he would have

nothing to say.

[incapsulated]

8. Agreed! n/t

[Mizmoon]

9. YOU are RIGHT n/t

[apnu]

10. hell yeah!

shamless kick for democracy!

:kick: :dem: :kick:

[Demoiselle]

11. AGREED! (Big time.) n/t

[okieinpain]

12. thank you. I sitting here in shock listening to tweety talk

about cheney hunting squirrel. what the f**k are they talking about. cheney gave up at the end, and I'm not even being biased. this is total bullshit.

[indie_voter]

14. YES!!!

People were expecting a rout like Kerry/*.

That just was not going to happen. Cheney is not a lightweight. He is a liar, an acomplished one at that.

Edwards approached this as a lawyer. Create reasonable doubt.

Which he did.

Cheney wasn't going to enact a scene from Perry Mason "I DID IT, I CONFESS".

You can't win against a sociopath, just reveal as much as possible, which did.

[hansolsen]

15. Edwards won the debate, but the big loser was Bush.

Cheney came across as 100 times brighter than Bush and Edwards came across as brighter than Cheney.

That's a real plus for Kerry, IMO.

[Hog lover]

32. I agree with you

I kept thinking that this debate makes it crystal clear that Cheney is actually running things and Shrub is just a front man.

[Nimble_Idea]

33. YES!! Edwards came off as more Intelligent!!

and Edwards came off as better prepared! It was a masterpiece. Simplay amazing, Edwards really impressed me. This is serious here. I'm not just touting this guy....He wasn't my favorite before tonight...but he really really nailed it.

[hansolsen]

46. Yes, edwards went up at leat two notches in my own assessment. He

was never very high in my choice of candidates in the primaries -- he looks a lot better to me tonight.

[sr_pacifica]

16. Exactly right on the "I don't know where to begin"

It meant he didn't know what to say. He used it to stall and evade.
I want to repeat here as I said in another post that Cheney's monotone and breathy speaking voice lost me several times; my attention drifted. And I'm sure with an American viewing public that generally has a short attention span, Cheney lost them. Edwards, on the other hand, was riveting and engaging. He was able to get his message heard.

[okieinpain]

17. I can't wait till somebody post the picture of the two in

the senate. I would bet good money there is a picture somewhere.

[Generic Other]

18. All the polls I just got done taking were running 85% or more for Edwards

Some polls showed 3% thinking Cheney won.

Snideley Whiplash did not win. Doesn't matter how verbally stunning Faux and others tell us he was.

Go take the polls on Skinner's page.

[marano]

19. I thought Edwards handled him well.

I saw no signs of intimidation on Edwards part. I saw a strong committment to calling Cheney and Bush for what they are...liars and war profiteers. I also liked that Edwards refuted the garbage about he and Kerry voting to not give the troops what they need and how he exposed Cheney for the liar he is when he said that he and Bush lobbied to cut combat pay for the troops. Cheney never refuted that fact and all the Repuke's around here are constantly telling me that Kerry is cutting pay and resources for the troops...such a crock of shit.

[cheshire]

20. That's what the polls show. One more ass kickin. BAAAAMMMMMMM

[BootinUp]

21. The best part was when Cheney was speechless from his own record

Voted against banning plastic guns, against MLK day, against programs for Seniors and Kids, against a resolution demanding the release of Mandela.

Edwards put a dagger in Cheney.

[sandnsea]

24. And Dept of Ed & Headstart, then...

turns around in his next segment and blabbers on about how education is the solution to the economy! Unreal, Edwards should have pointed that out, but I think most people saw the hypocrisy in it. Lots of good spots for Edwards in this debate.

[sr_pacifica]

48. Really! His silence said it all! n/t

[Lerkfish]

22. Edwards won massively, if you factor in truthfulness...

If you believe Cheney swill, then he still won.

:)

[Nimble_Idea]

23. Edwards won on styly and truth, He whooped up on the robot

.

[Boredtodeath]

25. Americans saw a man they could LIKE - John Edwards

And in Cheney, they saw a man entrenched in ideology. So entrenched, he wouldn't even defend his daughter against the man he works for.

THAT is why John Edwards will win.

[TexasSissy]

26. Not "destroyed." But Edwards won by a tad, IMO. Cheney looked

flustered a couple of times; first time I've seen that. He's so cool, calm, and collected. Still, Cheney did his usual good routine with a good command of the facts.

And Edwards did what he needed to do....go toe to toe with one of the best political debaters in the country with over 30 years of public service experience. And he did it. He had Cheney backed into a corner a few times. And he did it with poise, confidence, and facts. He was superb.

Edwards edged Cheney out by a tad. (Of course, since I support K/E, he blew me away, but trying to look at it objectively, I think it was close to a draw, but then Edwards in the end edged him out and won.)

[Nimble_Idea]

27. forget that, I am looking at it objectively. Edwards DESTROYED the Robot

people are just drinking the kool aid media spin. It was clear John Edwards whipped the halliburton man.

[54anickel]

28. Edwards caught Cheney off guard on the Hellaburnin stuff. Cheney thought

he was going for the conflict of interest and pay. Edwards went for what I've been whining about on DU for so long - their use of susidiaries to continue sales to Saddam (one of the reasons they bought Dresser despite the asbestos issues) The lawsuits and investigations against them and the fact that payments are not being withheld during the negotiations.

Edit to finish thought (DOH!)
Cheney was set to defend his deferred payments, that's what that look on his face was about and his tossing factcheck out there.

YEAH!!!!!

[Stuckinthebush]

29. I'm not so sure...

As a Kerry/Edwards supporter, I agree with you 100%.

However, the undecided voter could easily have watched that and said, "Cheney seems to know what he is talking about and I feel comfortable that he is in charge."

The reality is that it was probably a draw, and that doesn't hurt or help us. Fine. What this does is set the bar high for the real President on Friday. He can't just get up there and stammer..."It's hard work bein' pres'dent."

No, Cheney did fine for his side. Edwards was incredible.

Bush, on the other hand, will continue to be his normal clueless self on Friday and that is what people are going to remember.

[54anickel]

30. Closing arguments showed the most contrast between what you're

voting for this year. Hope for the future or living in constant fear.

[hansolsen]

47. I found Edwards closing argument very moving and presidential. N/T

[Nimble_Idea]

31. What are you talking about

Cheney said during the deabte "ITS MY JOB"

WHO ELSE SAID THAT!?!? I'll give you one guess. I was about to fall off the chair if the robot went on to say "And it's hard work"!!!

God that would have sealed the deal.

[Stuckinthebush]

41. I'm talking about ignorant voters

who still have no idea who they will vote for.

It is entirely possible that these voters looked at Cheney tonight and saw an "in charge" kind of person who says things with conviction.

You and I know that he was full of shit. You and I know that he lied whenever he spoke. You and I know that he is a very dangerous man. Many of the undecideds don't know this, and still don't know it. It was Cheney's word against Edward's word. Unless the Chris Matthews of the world start analyzing the content, then undecided voters may just go on perceptions.

The good thing is that Cheney did look mean and negative while Edwards looked fresh and upbeat. That will help with some undecideds.

All in all, I don't think this debate hurt or helped us. The race is still even. Friday night will be key.

[Nimble_Idea]

42. WHO CARES?!

If your an undecided SHEEPLE as you say...Who are they going to believe?? Some old mean man, or this nice looking man who was just as tough in defending and calling out this mean old man. I'm sorry, but the sheeple was won tonight by Sheperd Edwards.

[indyjones1938]

34. It's an Edwards win

Among undecideds, Edwards came out ahead of Cheney.

Amomg women, (the so-called "security moms") Edwards came out ahead of Cheney.

Those were the two key demographics. Edwards beat Cheney in both of them.

Plus over 50% of undecideds now have a more favorable impression of Edwards (only 29% said the same for Cheney) according to CBSNews.

Edwards is decimating Cheney in the online polls. Edwards has 71% of the vote at MSNBC, 85% at CNN, and over 50% even at FoxNews.


The fact is, some people here were expecting a "rout" like Kerry v. Bush Round 1. But Cheney is no Bush. He's a smart guy, with 30+ years in politics. Edwards did very, very well and we are well-positioned for the Friday debate.

[pimpbot]

37. cheney was silenced!

Well, at least give him credit for saying "I dont know where to begin". It sounds much more human than the "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <long silence)" of Bush's non answers. However Cheney didnt have alot of answers to edwards points. Quite a few times he just didnt bother responding? I wouldnt think that would look good in the eyes of an undecided. Just more stonewalling and lies from the BC camp. If ya cant lie, use silence!

Edwards won, the spinsters didnt want it to happen, but I bet we see tomorrow more people jumping on the edwards won bandwagon after they poll the public. Matthews et al based edwards good. I really cant believe some of the things CM said right after the debate was over. Sent him an email about it too, i encourage everyone to do the same!!

[Stuckinthebush]

39. I think you and I agree

Edwards did a great job.

Cheney is no Bush...he is smart and very good at lying without remorse. His lies come across as fact. This can sway some voters. As long as it is at least a draw, we are fine. I think that in the eyes of many undecideds who saw it, it will be considered a draw. Great!

I like your poll results...where did those come from so quickly?

The online polls are still meaningless, but the other results you quote are great.

[Nimble_Idea]

40. Edwards to cheney! "You don't have room to talk about a record"

or something to that effect. That was great.

[Cleita]

35. That was the debate I saw. Edwards ruled.

I missed the last thirty minutes though. Got unexpected visitors.

[Hello_Kitty]

36. I think John hit a lot of points that resonate

Jobs, health care, the deficit, the war. And the Halliburton stuff was great! Plus, Cheney shot himself in the foot with his final statement where he said something to the effect that he and * had put the country on a positive economic track during their term (don't remember exactly how it went). Huh?!?! He's seriously on crack if he thinks anyone is going to believe that. So score for the K/E Team!:bounce: :toast: :headbang:

[dave502d]

38. That what I saw

John went for the voters.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

43. Bingo! You saw exactly what I saw....a very good win for Edwards.

[shivaji]

44. My guess is Kerry/Edwards will poll above dumbya/dickhead by next monday

[txindy]

45. We were very impressed, too.

My 12 year old son was glued to the TV. His impression was that John Edwards was making very interesting points while Dickie was only negative and went out of his way to disagree with everything the Senator said. Smart boy!

[Carolinian]

49. Remember 'Keep it simple, stupid.'? Too many people get impressed

by big words and tangled explanations. Edwards is brilliant at expressing complex ideas in simple terms so everyone has a better chance of understanding his message. He hit a home run with Cheney voting against Meals on Wheels - LOL!

[Joe Turner]

50. Edwards dismantled Cheney

It cannot be credibly spun any other way. And every poll I've seen shows that most people agree.

The Ax of Truth is a great thing to have on your side, especially when the Ax wielder is Strong and Smart.