PLEASE HELP list cheney's LIES and links to refute them! We need our own

[One Taste]

rapid response! I already have

Cheney tried to say that the increase in medical malpractice premiums in Wyoming had something to do with personal injury lawsuits. Not true: http://www.insurance-reform.org/StableLossesWY.pdf

[jlucu]

1. Didn't link Iraq/911

NBC had footage of him making the link on meet the press - they showed it right after the debate during the "truth squad"

[sandnsea]

2. Not meeting Edwards

Leahy, on MSNBC, said Cheney only meets with Republican Senators so he likely wouldn't have met Edwards on the Senate floor. Might have something to do with that divided question as well.

[Cha]

24. I found this on ..

http://www.democrats.com

"On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said Wednesday on "Today.


EDIT~http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/1714019p-9521748c.html

"On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event."

[Terran]

3. "I never said there was a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda"

Sorry Dick, you're on video saying that a half dozen times on Sunday talk shows. I don't have links, but I trust plenty of people do.

[creeksneakers2]

4. Cheney said Factcheck.org acquits Halliburton

Factcheck.org only addresses the question of Cheney's deferred compensation. It says nothing about Halliburton overcharges, bribes to foreign leaders, trading with terrorist nations, or cooking books.

I hope that people do go to Factcheck.org. There are stories about Bush lies there.

[Shopaholic]

9. Actually, Cheney referenced Factcheck.com

not Factcheck.org. Factcheck.com is owned by George Soros! So once again, Mr. Cheney's "mis-statement" shows that they can't even get basic facts right-like website addresses. Just goes to show you why this country had ended up in the mess that it has--they can't even get very simple facts right.

Or another tactic to use on this: Some pepole say that Dick Cheney must have some sort of memory loss--in between not being able to remember a website address and forgetting he'd met John Edwards on more than one occasion!

[gardenista]

17. Love it! Hope all the undecideds go there! nt

[Eric J in MN]

15. Does it say it's fine for a vice president to revceive

deferred compensation from a federal contractor?

I consider that a conflict.

[sandnsea]

5. Come on, help with this list!

The jobs number, didn't I just see today it was 700,000 in the last year? He said 1.7 million, that can't be right.

[Elidor]

6. Does anyone have a transcript yet?

[phish420]

11. Debate Transcript

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004b.html

[mn9driver]

7. I had lots of fun with this back in June.

The man is delusional if he thinks he can get away with this lie:

http://roachblog.blogspot.com/2004_06_13_roachblog_archive.html

Eat it, Dick.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Cheney DID meet Edwards...TWICE!

Elizabeth Edwards reminded dickead when she went up on the stage. He just shrugged her off. His lie's out there, that's all he needed. The MEDIA needs to know the truth. :grr:

[Shopaholic]

10. The Defense Vote thing in 1987 (i think it was)

It was something that Kerry voted for but get this--those defense cut budgets were suggested by the then Secretary of Defense-DICK CHENEY!
Edwards called him out on that one tonight.

[sofa king]

12. Transcript and question #1

Transcript:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1005.html

Concern about Iraq specifically focused on the fact that Saddam Hussein had been, for years, listed on the state sponsor of terror, that they he had established relationships with Abu Nidal, who operated out of Baghdad; he paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; and he had an established relationship with al Qaeda.

CHENEY: Specifically, look at George Tenet, the CIA director's testimony before the Committee on Foreign Relations two years ago when he talked about a 10-year relationship.

In his testimony of 19 March, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet devoted one paragraph of his testimony before the Committee on Foreign Relations to the possibility that al Qaeda and Iraq might team up in the future:

As I said earlier, we continue to watch Iraq’s involvement in terrorist activities. Baghdad has a long history of supporting terrorism, altering its targets to reflect changing priorities and goals. It has also had contacts with al-Qa’ida. Their ties may be limited by divergent ideologies, but the two sides’ mutual antipathy toward the United States and the Saudi royal family suggests that tactical cooperation between them is possible—even though Saddam is well aware that such activity would carry serious consequences.

http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/pdf/Tenet02.pdf

Tenet did speak of a relationship between Abu Nidal and Iraq. It's also worth noting that Abu Nidal died of gunshot wounds in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion, leading me to conclude that whatever relationship he had with Saddam Hussein, it wasn't that cozy. Abu Nidal has no major connections to al Qaeda.

Tenet also gave testimony on February 6, 2002, but it is practically identical to the March testimony. Someone should check my work to see if Tenet really did speak at length about the "10-year relationship," the next obvious question is that if Tenet said it in February of 2002, why did he drop the allegation in March?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2002/dci_speech_02062002.html

[sofa king]

13. Forgiving Iraqi debt = "Cost" of war?

The allies have stepped forward and agreed to reduce and forgive Iraqi debt to the tune of nearly $80 billion by one estimate. That, plus $14 billion they promised in terms of direct aid, puts the overall allied contribution financially at about $95 billion, not to the $120 billion we've got, but, you know, better than 40 percent. So your facts are just wrong, Senator.

The obvious lie here is that the Iraqi debt is almost certainly debt largely incurred prior to the invasion. A country forgiving Iraq's debt does not equal financial aid for the occupation of Iraq. While it allows Iraq to spend its own money on reconstruction and it's own occupation, well, that's part of the enormous bait and switch perpetrated by the Bush Administration and his contractors like Halliburton. They're spending Iraq's money to fund Iraq's reconstruction.*

And, just two days ago, France and other countries told America to fuck off on forgiving all of the (coincidentally) 120 billion that Iraq owes. They're offering half that.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/02/news/international/iraq_debt.reut/

*This is not unlike the Texas Stadium deal Bush orchestrated, where the public paid for the construction of the Rangers' stadium, then turned the property rights over to the team owners.

http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/bush-sec5.html

[Eric J in MN]

14. Cheney blamed insurance costs entirely on lawsuits.

Experts say they add 1-2% to the cost of insurance.

Well worth it to make doctors more careful and provide justice.

[dave123williams]

22. Yeah, let's not look at the gouging drugco's and insuranceco's...

They couldn't be part of the problem...

[sofa king]

16. We've got 10 million voters who have registered to vote (Afghanistan)

In light of the Bush Administration's experience in fixing elections, this, I fear, may be true.

The problem is this. It's estimated that there are only 9.8 million eligible voters in Afghanistan.

There are 10.3 million voters registered.

http://www.tcf.org/afghanistanwatch/main.htm

[sofa king]

18. More Iraq-Terrorist lies

But let's look at what we know about Mr. Zarqawi.

We know he was running a terrorist camp, training terrorists in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. We know that when we went into Afghanistan that he then migrated to Baghdad. He set up shop in Baghdad, where he oversaw the poisons facility up at Khurmal, where the terrorists were developing ricin and other deadly substances to use.

Khurmal, Iraq, the location where the purported "poison lab" was found, is in the Kurdish-controlled section of Iraq. It wasn't under Saddam Hussein's control and has not been since 1991. The area was actually under de facto American control, as the Americans have tacitly supported the Kurdish separatists in the northern Iraqi no-fly zone.

Reporters visited the site of the purported weapons lab before the invasion of Iraq. They found nothing.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1771087

[sofa king]

19. Did our Cuban friends in Miami-Dade hear that about unilateral sanctions?

IFILL: Mr. Vice President, in June of 2000 when you were still CEO of Halliburton, you said that U.S. businesses should be allowed to do business with Iran because, quote, "Unilateral sanctions almost never work."

After four years as vice president now, and with Iran having been declared by your administration as part of the "Axis of Evil," do you still believe that we should lift sanctions on Iran?

CHENEY: No, I do not. And, Gwen, at the time, I was talking specifically about this question of unilateral sanctions.

What happens when we impose unilateral sanctions is, unless there's a collective effort, then other people move in and take advantage of the situation and you don't have any impact, except to penalize American companies.

[sofa king]

20. Kick

I could use some help.

Here's some points I won't have time to address tonight. Cheney's quotes are in bold.

We've been strong supporters of Israel. The president stepped forward and put in place a policy basically that said we will support the establishment of two states. First president ever to say we'll establish and support a Palestinian state nextdoor to Israelis.

It's worth pointing out that the establishment of a Palestinian state was one of Osama bin Laden's demands in the aftermath of 9/11. The other was to have American troops move out of Saudi Arabia, which Bush also did. Is that why America hasn't been attacked since? Is that why Osama is still at large?

Gwen, we've got 111 million American taxpayers that have benefited from our income tax cuts.

We've got 33 million students who've benefited from No Child Left Behind.

We've got 40 million seniors who benefited from the reform of the Medicare system. The Democrats promised prescription drug benefits. For years they've run on that platform. They never got it done. The president got it done.

We also dropped 5 million people totally off the federal income tax rolls, so they no longer have to pay any federal income tax at all.

That last one--does that include the unknown numbers of people who no longer receive unemployment and are no longer tracked?

And the data he's using is old data. It's from 2003. It doesn't include any of the gains that we've made in the last years. We've added 1.7 million jobs to the economy.

He means they replaced 1.7 million of the 3 million-plus jobs which they've lost.

Well, the fact of the matter is a great many of our small businesses pay taxes under the personal income taxes rather than the corporate rate. And about 900,000 small businesses will be hit if you do, in fact, do what they want to do with the top bracket.

Why is there a chime ringing in my head about this? Is he talking about one-person small businesses?

[genius]

21. The Global Test: he claimed Kerry was giving other countries a veto

[RollergirlVT]

23. Just posted elsewhere

Cheney claimed he was present "Most Tuesdays" as acting President of the Senate when in fact the record shows Cheney presided as acting President of the Senate only twice in the last 3+ years. And to ad insult to injury, Edwards was acting president in the Senate twice as well!
Here is the link:
http://dave-the-pro.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/6/11163/2940

[Bush was AWOL]

25. Weapon's and defense votes: He attacked Kerry for voting to cut weapons

and defense systems he himself was in favor of cutting at the time.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127