Who is posting that Edwards lost?

[xrepub]

I suspect that there are a lot of repug activists on this board.

I don't think that Edwards won by as much as Kerry did last week, but any unbiased person would have to see Edwards as the winner. Hard to imagine anyone but a repug thinking otherwise.

[snowbear]

1. some dude

Some dude some Sidwell was whining about how our next VP (John Edwards) did, and how great his limp Dick did..

Other than him, I haven't really noticed :smoke:

[Name removed]

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[nadinbrzezinski]

2. We did the following exercise

I watched it (partly) on C-SPAN, split screen... JE won, not the trouncing that JK gave George, but yep he won... I'd say 60-40

Now here is the other side of the exercise. My hubby fully listened to it on the radio and I listened to a great extent on the radio... there Chenney had a far better radio presence

It was truly a Kennedy-Nixon Debate moment... you remember that from school

Now good news... most folks SAW IT on the teevee!

It was a slight win, mark my words, it will go to draw and Chenney Victory over the next 72 hours.

And he did better than a draw, but not by much

[okieinpain]

15. not now with the cheney lies coming out. he is going to look like

a fool (cheney)

[ailsagirl]

3. I suspect you're right

I am on another democrat forum and I have the same feeling. Someone wrote something to the effect that we shouldn't delude ourselves-- that Cheney won. I'm like... huh???

ailsa

[Doohickie]

4. I thought he lost

Edwards betrayed his nervousness through blinking of eyes, smiling altogether too much and raising his voice a few times, while Cheney was steely.

Edwards also missed several opportunities. The most glaring one for me was his chance to put flip-flopping to bed once and for all. He piled on all the Repub flip-flops he could think of; I think a better response would have been to review the differences in the two $87B war bills, explaining that one was funded by the rich through taxcut rollbacks and one wasn't funded at all which was irresponsible. He could have moved on to explain that the whole flip-flop issue is a red herring because most of the time when a senator apparently changes his vote on an issue it is because the wording of the bill has changed, not the senator's mind. To quibble about such distinctions during 30-second sound bites is petty. With a response like that, he would have put the whole flip-flop issue to rest.

[GalleryGod]

5. I Don't,Paul.

eom

[Kool Kitty]

6. Cheney was steely, all right-

just like the automaton that he is. He has one expression-a scowl. Edwards reacts like a human because-guess what-he IS human. Cheney was cool, calm and collected-all the while he was lying his defibrilated ass off. Edwards did just fine, and I think his sum-up at the end was very well said.

[Awsi Dooger]

8. I agree only on the $87 billion missed opportunity

First of all, Edwards is a notorious blinker. He has actually lessened it considerably over the past 18 months.

That neither Kerry or Edwards has explained the $87 billion votes as you did is the most baffling aspect of this entire campaign to me. When that opening was presented, I was sure Edwards would smack there instead of semi-juvenile "you guys flip-flop, too, so there" crap.

[sandnsea]

18. Some are too critical

Like a parent who sees every mistake their kid makes while everybody else only sees a glorious performance. Some parents are like that, others only see the good.

Cheney had as many uncomfortable moments as Edwards and Edwards weren't glaring at all. Nothing like the chimps.

And he DID put the flip flops and the $87 billion to rest. He pointed out their flip flops and Kerry's consistency. AND he gave 3 reasons why they voted no on the $87 billion, bad Iraq policies, paying for it now, and $7.5 billion no-bid Halliburton contracts. I really don't know how so many people keep missing this. And how about this, why don't you just pretend you get it and help spread my tp's for a while? That anybody who doesn't understand the $87 billion vote is a brain dead dolt. We're trying to win an election, aren't we?

[Doohickie]

19. You're right, I am critical

I wanted nothing better than for Edwards to smack Cheney around a little (okay, a lot). Yet at the same time, I realize that's just him, by himself, up there, and he's probably been cramming all weekend. I think he did a very fine job. I just don't think he won the debate in terms of control. I think maybe it was a tie in terms of shots landed, but the steely robot dude seemed more in control, and for that, I tip to him.

But in the end it's still just a VP debate and I'm still voting for K-E.

[JI7]

7. a lot of trolls showed up claiming Kerry cheated after his debate

i'm assuming the same is happening now. it looks like it's partly organized. they come on to put down our candidates.

[Bucky]

9. I posted a critique of Edwards's performance. That makes me a troll?

Sorry, no sale. I read several other posts that gave the win to Cheney. These were clearly sincere Democrats who simply wanted our guy to win. I think we're strong enough to handle an honest discussion without going full-McCarthy on anyone who fails to tow the party line. Instead of trying to sniff out phantom freepers, why don't you concentrate on Cheney's lies and making suggestions about how we'll get out the vote and beat these guys instead?

[Mortos]

11. I agree

even a mild criticism or pointing out errors is greeted as some sort of betrayal and outing of a freeper in sheeps clothing. It really gets old especially when you look at what some of the honest critics have contributed.

Calm down paranoids. Kerry is going to win.

[Bucky]

13. Thanks, Mortos

The lies Cheney is getting nailed on is closing the deal right now. I've found that 75-90% of accusations of trollery and freeper-lurking are made by freepers just stirring up the shit & tyring to make us waste time on pointless accusation threads.

I'm adding a couple of new names to my list. Real Democrats are able to handle a disagreement.

[Name removed]

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[Doohickie]

21. Thank you Bucky

If you make a histogram of the responses, I'm sure it would be a pretty regular bell curve, with the average DUer saying Edwards won. But the tail would cross the line into "Cheney won" territory. And that's where I would be.

I think Edwards did fine; his task was not to win, it was to look credible, and he was certainly that.

[bush equals idiot]

14. The flip flop nail in the coffin he REALLY missed

was Bush saying I want Bin Laden dead or alive. Then later in a press conference says.."I don't know where he is, I just don't think about him that much."

Boy I would have loved to hear that one for about a full minute.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Plus 23 different excuses for invading Iraq.

Plus "I won't engage in nation building."

23.

[Swamp Rat]

16. John Edwards won the debate.

:kick:

[babylonsister]

17. I just posted your thoughts later.

I was just saying that the peeps over at MSNBC are saying that, but I didn't agree with that thought. I thought John Edwards was great! Coherent, concise, and understandable. I'm proud to call him my next VP!

[DesEtoiles]

20. people who would like to join my ignore list

[zmdem]

22. I disagree

You suggest that any unbiased person would agree with you that Edwards won, yet you refer to Republicans as "repugs". It would appear to me that you are perhaps not unbiased ?

Please backup your claim about the "unbiased" person. Looked to me like a draw, some points going to Cheney, some to Edwards. Personally, the notion of an unbiased observer seems a bit strange in this election cycle. There is a clear distinction - swing voters seem to me to be an odd breed this year.

But then, I'm probably an odd breed also ;)

[Cascadian]

23. Freepers are in full force on DU.

If anybody thinks that Edwards lost tonight, either they were watching the wrong debate or they are just some Freeps trying to be silly.

John

[Doohickie]

25. Read my posts tonight and tell me which you think I am

Oh, wait... I'm neither.

[Hello_Kitty]

26. Yeah and the disparity in performances last week

Was due as much to * and his abysmal lack of speaking ability and his shitty attitude as it was to JK's superiority. Cheney speaks better than *, like that's real hard. So you don't see as much as an obvious difference in the level of debate performance.

[LiberalPersona]

27. I don't know if I would say that Edwards won

At times I thought he was about to start crying, and he interrupted Cheney. He also talked about totally unrelated subjects to some of the questions. He didn't even answer one or two of them but rambled on instead.

But Cheney was annoying too, with his tiny rebuttles. I mean, this isn't a social thing Cheney, we don't care if you appreciate being complimented.