If you think they killed us with "Al Gore Invented the Internet"

[deminflorida]

Think what they are going to do to us with this:

Howard Dean on George W. Bush's political vulnerability:

"So I think all those of us that are salivating and saying AH-HA this is going to be a one term presidency, I think that's a mistake."

Maybe he formed this opinion because of another statement he made.

“George Bush, I believe, is in his soul a moderate.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3908334/

Please everyone, think about what the Republicans will do to us in November with these statements.....

[funky_bug]

1. You have a good point

Maybe, if Howard Dean takes a cue from Clark, he'll invite the public and the media to question him on all the quotes from the tapes. If given the chance to explain himself IN CONTEXT, perhaps there will be no cause for worry.

[Hawkeye-X]

8. Two whole days

and Clark got only 15K?

Dean gets average of 75K per day.

Hawkeye-X

[Sean Reynolds]

9. Be nice!

;-)

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Yeah, and Dean's fund raising and Dean's Meet Up attendance

guarantees NOTHING when it comes to what really counts: VOTES.

I am really getting tired of the constant bragging by Dean supporters about fund raising and meet up numbers. It's like "MY Daddy's richer than YOURS is, nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo!"

I didn't put up with that shit from preschoolers -- why am I having to listen to it here? How many times do we need to acknowledge that Dean has done very well raising money before you folks will stop your bragging?

[ThirdWheelLegend]

15. Koppel loves it!

Polls and money!


:)

TWL

[xultar]

20. Don't you get it? That is why Gore's endorsement works,

Gore invented the internet and he is endorsing the guy who invented internet campaigning and fundraising!

What a Team!

Your team is RED HOT our team ain't Diddly Squat!

[GreenArrow]

23. DK ain't got the money

but man he's really got a lot!

The whole money focus is symptomatic of the rot of the entire system. We need public financing the sooner the better.

It'll be interesting to see how all the middle class grass roots supporters of Dean respond when he takes their money and runs; i.e. operates from a venal, status quo, big business first position. That's assuming he wins; my money is still on a Kerry/Clark team. I doubt they'd govern much differently, but either of those two is FAR less personally abrasive than Dean. Kucinich, of course, is the candidate of real change and hope, but he'll be fortunate to get above two or three percent anywhere. I'm still supporting him though.

[Mairead]

24. Well, you know, DB, that to Bush and Bush Lite and their followers, it's

all about money. It's that 'Protestant Ethic' again: there is no more accurate measure of personal worthiness and Divine Favor than cold, hard cash. It's the only way to keep score, and only the amount matters. The one who dies with the biggest stocks portfolio gets to go to the head of the line at The Gate, receives a golden-trumpet fanfare from massed ranks of Archangels, and a vintage Rolls to take them to their mansion --in a gated section of Heaven, of course, where they can hobnob with the actual Twelve Apostles. No poor martyrs or similar riff-raff allowed.

[Marian]

27. Well said, Mairead!

What is it those types say? Whoever dies with the most toys wins? Give me a break!

That is too capitalistic; we're on the road to fascism.

[xultar]

19. Well since we didn't invent internet campaigning and fundraisisng

whaddaya expect!

[JNelson6563]

22. You may want to read this

or face the consequences.

For the purposes of the DU rules, if you've got something that looks like a sig line in your post we are going to treat it as a sig line... Even if you're not actually using the sig line function.

We have rules about the content and size of members' signature lines. Recently, we've had a few "clever" people try to get around our rules regarding signature lines by simply bypassing the signature line function, and posting off-topic flame bait directly in each of their posts. This is a very bad idea. We've sent many warnings about it, and two unrepentant offenders have been banned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=94985&mesg_id=94985

Or perhaps you mistakenly thought it did not apply to you?

Julie

[imhotep]

2. go hide under the bed

if you are afraid of republicans.
I'm not.

[Trajan]

3. As a long time Democrat ...

And a Clark supporter ....

I see no great issue here ....

This is much ado about nuthin .....

[Jerseycoa]

5. Except

As Bleachers7 pointed out on another thread, the remarks were made AFTER the election had been stolen by Bush, a pretty radical act. Not that it can be used against Dean, just a fairly interesting comment for the time.

[Webster Green]

4. Actually, they didn't kill us with that at all......

In fact, here's a news flash: GORE WON! Yep, Gore won the popular vote AND the state of Florida. The chimp is in the White House thanks to a corrupted and activist U.S. Supreme Court.

All we need this time is a landslide. Shouldn't be asking too much. The war in Iraq is a Quagmire, The economy is not recovering. The lies are beginning to get legs in the news.

Bush is toast.

[Hoppin_Mad]

6. And how about this Clark quote ?

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice ... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush . We need them there."

Wes Clark at a GOP fundraiser - May 11, 2001

[ClintonTyree]

7. And General Clark's..............

comments about Bush, Rice et al. wouldn't be? It's a wash, we're going to be attacked whoever we nominate and we'd better be prepared to fight back. Clark or Dean would fit the bill, I'm not worried about it. Either of these guys would mop the floor with Shrub.

[Scoopie]

10. You're missing the point

Clark never pretended to be the angry alternative to Bush - that was the Dean Machine.
Clark has always owned up to the fact that he hoped the Bush Adminisrtaion - mainly because his former boss Colin Powell was there - would do positive things.
Dean, however, has made an entire campaign of yelling about Bush and offering little to counteract it.
Sorry, guys, it's not the same thing at all.

And.. the train kept a'rollin' all night long...

[ClintonTyree]

12. Their style of campaigning aside..................

my position stands. They're going to crucify whoever the candidate is with things they've said in the past. They're not going to go easier on the good General just because of his demeanor.

[ShimokitaJer]

21. So Clark's a better candidate because...

he isn't an alternative to Bush? Because he didn't change his mind about his earlier comments on Bush? Because he doesn't attack Bush as strongly as Dean?

I'm really having trouble seeing how you're going to convince people with that.

[Printer70]

13. What about this Clark whopper?

04.10.03 -- "President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt."

Can someone tell me, and I'm being serious here, when Clark became a Democrat? Was it before or after this quote's date?

[Bucky]

26. Because you're "being serious here" I'll answer

In Arkansas you don't register by party. You don't become a Democrat or Republican until you vote in the primary. But by tradition--a very necessary tradition in a free democracy, by the way--the military leaders don't participate in partisanship. So he wasn't really a Democrat until he announced he was running for president.

I know a lot of us Dems have a problem with that, but I don't think Clark is really running as a heavy duty partisan. He's dedicated his life to his country so he's running as an American foremost. I think his policies and political behaviors pretty clearly qualify him as a Democrat. For instance his campaign is being run not as a top-down military just-follow-orders-son organization, but as a consultive, inclusive process.

If his lack of historical partisanship bothers, I'll only ask for your patience and good will after he's nominated. I think in part he understands leadership in a way that's a bit of a throwback to the days of George Washington. The Founders really believed that the president should be above politics to some extent and should strive to be everybody's president. This kind of posture will give him the power and clout to always do the right thing. He will make you proud to be a Democrat.

[EXE619K]

14. I guess the "flames" are in over abundance from both camps....

Seriously though, I think Clark should distance himself from the Madonna endorsement(and please don't consider this opinion to be negative...afterall, we're in the same boat!). If the good General gets the nomination, I can just see all the RW TV ads about Clark and "the kiss" of Madonna with one Ms. Spears.

I can just hear it now...."General Clark, homo-loving, Lesbo-loving, psychotic, Butcher of Kosovo and Waco who will take your guns from your living rooms by crashing a Bradley through your front doors."


Hey, endorsements are good things from a celebrity like Madonna.....
But, I fear that her "stock" has plummeted since that "kiss" and this is not a good thing.

Get rid of her Clark Camp!
...or keep her hidden.

Gore never said he "invented" the Internet(but, I'm sure you already know this!)....just clarification.

Sometimes I feel as if all these negative threads by both camps are really from "external influences". "More dissension in the other guy's camp....better for the general election" thing.



DEAN LEADS THE WAY!

[deminflorida]

16. Hey, I like Madonna...

She's intelligent, and articulate....don't slam Hollywood buddy...

never slam Hollywood, as a Democrat.

[TLM]

17. And what of Clark's quotes....

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."


"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."



"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

And this one is a beauty...

Clark: I like all the people who are there. I've worked with them before. I was a White House Fellow in the Ford administration when Secretary Rumsfeld was White House chief of staff and later Secretary of Defense, and Dick Cheney was the deputy chief of staff at the White House and later the chief.

Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz I've known for many, many years. Deputy National Security Advisor Steve Hadley at the White House is an old friend. Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith I worked with very intensively during the time we negotiated the Dayton Peace Agreement; he was representing the Bosnian Muslims then, along with Richard Perle.

So I like these people a lot. They're not strangers. They're old colleagues.

[bitchkitty]

18. If you think they'll kill us with that,

think what they'd do with this:

I would have been a Republican if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls.

[bowens43]

25. After thinking about Deans statement think about these:

"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship"

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Paul O'Neill - people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

Clark showers lavish praise on the most vile administration in the history of our country. Clark's judgment can not be trusted.

If you are try to imply that what Dean said is WORSE then the lavish praise heaped on this administration by Clark then you are being disingenuous.

You are starting to sound desperate. But I can't blame you. Once you get rid of the hot air, Clark is nothing but an empty uniform. No substance. No experience. No qualifications. No desirable traits. No history of supporting Democratic causes. No fire. No passion. And terrible judgement.

[Marian]

28. How does all this vitriol help us as a party?

Dean has changed his mind on so many things; said so many things he's had to later apologize for; and, if you look at his record rather than his P.R., you will find a solid centrist.

Clark is not the way you portray him to be.

This is all getting very tedious and I certainly hope the most ardent supporters will be able to put this away once the nominee is chosen!

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