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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 02:58 PM
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Is Bush Wired? pics of bush
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 03:20 PM by RedEarth
New site I ran across today...I had heard the stories, but hadn't seen the pictures....not sure how much credence I give to it, but I wouldn't put it past bush/rove..

This site is a clearinghouse for discussion of whether President Bush uses an earpiece through which he's fed lines and cues by offstage advisers. His speech rhythms suggest this, as do some of his word choices and interjections, and his constantly shifting eye movements while speaking. And there's another form of evidence: Television viewers have sometimes heard another voice speaking Bush's words before he says them. When Bush spoke at D-Day ceremonies in France last June, for example, viewers watching on CNN, Fox and MSNBC, including mediachannel.org's Danny Schechter, were startled to hear another voice speaking Bush's words as if to prompt him. Some said this continued into a q & a. And on the night of 9/11, when Bush appeared on television to address the nation, viewers of one television station in Quincy, Massachusetts heard another voice speaking, slowly and carefully, a few words at a time -- words which were then recited by the president. The voice was nondescript, male, definitely not the president's voice, says Quincy resident Robyn Miller. This went on for at least four sentences, she says, and then the "extra" feed was cut off.



Many viewers thus saw a squarish bulge the size of a large battery pack under the back of Bush's suit jacket, with an S-shaped cord appearing to snake up the right side of his back. Several blogs have carried speculation that it was an audio receiver.

A poster to NYCIndymedia says, "Think 'passive transducer' earpiece." He writes, "The bulges under his jacket are likely receiver/repeaters that pick up the transmitter (and encrypted?) signals from his handlers and transmit them, at very low power, to the earpiece."

"Sure, Bush uses an earpiece sometimes," a top Washington editor for Reuters said to me last spring. "State of the Union -- he had an earpiece for that. Everybody knows it," he said, or assumes it. But everybody doesn't know it, I said. Why hadn't Reuters investigated? The editor shrugged and said it wasn't so different from using a teleprompter.




http://www.isbushwired.com/
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:03 PM
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1. I heard the 9/11 voice too!!!!
And an online friend from Mass heard it too - we were both posting at Salon at the time.

I heard it on ABC in NYC - I had no cable, if that could have anything to do with it. Only station I could get was ABC because the other transmitters went down with the Towers.

I am so GLAD to hear those people in Quincy heard it too. What could explain that? Is it something about audio feed to the local station or something?
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wysi Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:07 PM
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2. Does this remind anyone...
... of that Star Trek TOS episode Patterns of Force (the planet with the Nazis) in which 'der Furher' was a drugged-up puppet mouthing words to the public?
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:56 PM
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19. What a great episode....
except you remember the guy was in the end a good guy....
In this case, Bush is self drugged....and he's the anti-good guy....
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lakemonster11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 12:42 AM
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106. If I remember right...
that episode also had odd religious overtones.
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:07 PM
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3. here you go
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:13 PM
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4. Not surprised at all
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 03:13 PM by Chimpanzee
That doesn't sound like Bush's voice. Did you happen to notice in the debate the long pauses several times before he started to answer a question? It seems very likely that he is getting his lines fed to him.

Am I surprised?
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:16 PM
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6. and he would ask for a rebuttal and just stand there!
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:51 PM
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52. was cheney in the audience at the bush/kerry debate?
you set me to wonder about that. anyone? :shrug:
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:18 PM
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86. He wouldn't be in the audience-- too obvious
He'd be in a white van, disguised as a plumber's truck, with a tiny satellite dish, parked outsite in a 'no waiting' zone.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:06 AM
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118. :) thanks for clearing that up. :) n/t
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Out the Parasites Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:14 PM
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5. I think that's Cheney!
Clearly it's Cheney feeding Bush the lies...

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:15 PM
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57. Oh, it's Cheney all right!!!
Can't be swept under the rug! Kerry campaign must see this thread! Got to frisk this guy before he speaks at any lectern. Even a sweeping pat on the back would do. *, most likely, won't be able to wear a wire in a Town Hall setting. This is quite serious and dangerous.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:02 PM
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20. Bingo! Did anyone notice the reporter!!!

To me the earpiece feedback is crystal clear.

The reporter is the real story. Check it out again.

John, I think that is his name, starts reporting in front of the Tower in France.

CNN reporter starts asking him questions, then he starts BLINKING his eyes frantically while he talks.

Notice that the other reporters eyes were not blinking.

When she is finished asking the question, he starts shaking his head and looks ashamed. He can't believe that he had to LIE like that to cover for the earpiece malfunction.

Check it out, check it out!

It all fits now.:bounce:
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:27 PM
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31. John King lies for Chimp daily without remorse--he looks proud in the clip
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:37 PM
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36. Not at the end, check him out again


He is proud at first, but not at the end.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:26 PM
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61. Yeah, you're right. When he thinks he's off camera he looks pissed.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:32 PM
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65. Yea and what is there to be pissed about


Thanks for noticing his change of mood.

His body language says it all for me.

There was nothing that he said that he should have been ashamed of.

Perhaps, someone off camera signaled him that it was a real mix up with the earpiece.

You can tell that even when the interview starts, he is Blinking more than the other reporter.

About 1/2 way into it, he starts blinking big time.
My the time he is off camera, he is in meltdown.

Keep this kicked until we can get some action from the media.

Bush is living a BIG BIG LIE with this one. He is naked without this earpiece and it should NOT go unnoticed for Friday.
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gavodotcom Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:31 AM
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110. Maybe because the audio sucks?
I'd be pissed if my story's audio got screwed up. I'm sorry, I just think it's more 'technical difficulties' than Bush canning a speech.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:18 PM
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58. can you believe i didn't notice any of it until you pointed it out!
your powers of observation are to be commended.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:37 PM
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66. Txs Paradise glad you gave it another look


I understand how we all missed it!

I am mad at myself for seeing the original interview and beliving that it was a sound malfunction in the tv studio.

We must get this clip to the right media people.


Help everyone, what can we do?
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:05 PM
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22. That is amazing....what with John King at the end?
He looks like he's about had it with the whole thing....
He's been put on the repuke side of analysis ...not sure how long that's been going on...but I think he could be nauseated by the whole thing...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:41 PM
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37. Everyone run the video to the very end!!


Wadestock you saw what I saw!

How do we get the other people to see it again?

I have watched that video about 5 times and I didn't see the BLINKING and disgust,by the whore John, until today.

Look everyone, look!
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:04 PM
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42. Yep...sure do have to run it to the end....looks like he knew something
was up...shaking his head in disgust....interesting, maybe there is something to this about bush being wired.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:19 PM
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44. Thank you RedEarth! Who else can see the disgust?

Really, John should be given the same punishment that Dan Rather receives or worse.
He should be outed and so should the Chimp.

This makes me so mad. For Chimp to do this to the American public.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:15 PM
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28. Adds credence to the rumors that the chimp can't read
Someone has to feed him his speeches one line at a time.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:28 PM
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33. Okay, I have to admit, that is STRANGE
He doesn't repeat the phrases exactly as they're given, there is a little variation, some extra words and some words repeated. I swear, it sounds for all the world like someone is feeding him lines.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:56 PM
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53. they're called "cues"! n/t
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:44 PM
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49. omg! this is for real! thanks nostalgic. n/t
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:59 PM
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56. Be Sure and watch it all the way to the end......you'll see John King
shake his head in disgust.....perhaps he noticed it also????
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:17 PM
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72. it's the only reasonable explanation! n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:14 PM
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80. Is that a true capture or did someone do a voiceover after-the-fact?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:16 AM
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116. I made the clip-it is a capture directly from the television
the conversion got the sync off a little bit, as I noted at the beginning, but the conversion sync had NOTHING TO DO with the actual voices heard BEFORE Bush speaks.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:38 PM
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98. OMG! The look on John King's face!
That tells us all we need to know!

I can't believe I've never seen this before!
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:20 AM
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117. holy crap- did anyone watch it all the way to the end? the newsman's
facial expression? frowning and shaking his head? what was that about?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:52 PM
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128. That's not him being fed- it's an echo of some kind...
Seriously...listen to it over and over. It's Bush's voice, somehow being fed wrong to the video. They fed a quieter feed well in front of the real feed. It's his voice, and he's saying it exactly the same way.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:16 PM
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7. And to think that I broke this story...
Wow... Whole websites about it.

I first noticed an earpiece in Bush's ear in early 2001 and mentioned it on "The Mike Malloy Show". My basis was a few frames of video and the vocal mannerisms he effected.

Since then, others, more adept at these things than myself, have carried the ball.

Good job!!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:36 PM
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11. We noticed it at Salon Table Talk at that time too
The WH even said that Bush sometimes wears a hearing aid. I don't know where that reference went to be we did have it verified at the time. Lots of speculation about this back then. The way he spoke six words at a time, then paused, then six more, etc.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:28 PM
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8. Could be the seam of a bulletproof vest. God knows he fears the People.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:48 PM
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14. That's possible. A new type of vest, 'eh? I don't think so!!
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 03:49 PM by 0007
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:48 PM
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101. It looks like a bulletproof vest to me, as well.
And an unusually thick one for such a tightly controlled environment.

It certainly could be wire, however. I won't deny that possibility, it's just as plausible. There's definitely something under that coat.

RTP
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 12:01 AM
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104. Bullet proof vests do not stop that low in the back and they
don't have any objects sticking out like that in the back. If that is a bullet proof vest it is not protecting the vital regions in upper part of the body.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:29 PM
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9. Whoever was feeding him the lines
was as big a moran as Bush.

"It's hard work" eleven times?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:06 PM
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24. hard work - repeat - hard work - repeat - hard work - let me finish - hard
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:34 PM
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10. I want to reply on that blog but I don't see the option
Do you see it? I see comments but no comment button.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:42 PM
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12. Hey Stephanie...try this link...appears to be at the bottom of the page
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:49 PM
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15. Thanks! Just posted.
I'm relieved to hear those people in Quincy Mass heard the same thing I did on 9/11. I'd like to hear the explanation for this. I did have an online friend from Mass at the time who also heard it. I'm not sure where in MA she is - Zee Miller, anyone?
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:58 PM
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55. Stephanie, "Zee" Miller is Robyn Miller, quoted in the piece in the
first post in this thread.

(Kath from TT)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 10:54 PM
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93. Wow! So that's cool, because we chatted about it at the time.
I thought she was in Boston. She tried to get a tape from the TV station.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:46 PM
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13. Without a doubt. Definitely!! That is none other than a receiver
inside his coat and attached to his back. Probably isn't noticeable when he standing up straight. But learning over one can see the out-line of the device.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:51 PM
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16. Don't they always give them that on live TV?
Either for a lapel mike or for a headset to hear prompts from the control room? I think that is an awfully big lump to hide if it is something illegal. I think if they were going to cheat with an ear piece they would hide it a little better than that.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:11 PM
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27. I thought so, too, at first
Then I had to wonder if *'s people ever imagined that he would slump all over the podium like that, drawing his suit jacket tighter across his back. Did JK pat him on the back, at any time pre- or post-debate? That would be funny! "What is THIS?" :shrug:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:33 PM
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35. Maybe Kerry TURNED IT OFF When He Patted Him on the Back
That might explain *'s abysmal performance in the debate.

* wouldn't know how to turn it back on again, and they couldn't send
one of his handlers to do it without giving the game away.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:44 PM
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40. Well, there you go!
Wouldn't it be hysterical if someone knew about the receiver and jammed it during the debate? Let a few words in, jam it again, let a word in, jam, jam, jam,... Heh, heh heh!!!! :evilgrin:

What's the possible repercussion of signal-jamming? "Hey, he interrupted our cheating!!" ROFL!!

If * hadn't been so terrible, this wouldn't be humorous to me, at all, though. **sigh** Pathetic, really. He is so pathetic.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:31 PM
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46. If they can jam his frequency, they can cut in and have a field day...
:silly:

"This office is hard work, because I'm really an idiot."

"This office is hard work, because I'm really an idiot."

"What can I say? I'm a moron, like most Republicans."

"What can I say? I'm a moron, like most Republicans."

"These aren't the droids we're looking for."

"These aren't the droids we're looking for."

"In my spare time, I have sex with reptiles."

"In my spare time, I have sex with reptiles."

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:40 PM
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48. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG, I just spit iced tea all over the keyboard when I read, "These aren't the droids we're looking for!" :bounce: :toast:
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:14 AM
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115. Someone posted here yesterday about the cutaway shots.
IIRC, they were saying that the Bush camp had asked for a rule prohibiting camera shots from behind, but the networks wouldn't agree to abide by it. Don't know if this is true or not.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:38 PM
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47. And Drudge was going wild for kerry having a PEN!
Chimperooey had an earpiece. That would explain his awkward pauses as he awaited instructions on what to say. Might also explain some of the WEIRD SHIT he says. Think about it. It's being transmitted at a low frequency - hard to hear. Chimp says what he thinks they said, only to make an incredible ass of himself.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:07 PM
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79. It is a slam dunk - Bush wears an ear piece


and it is NOT for a hearing loss!
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irancontra Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:51 PM
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17. kick
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 03:55 PM
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18. No different from using a teleprompter, maybe
but that's during a speech, not during a debate!
What the...?! Are these people brain-dead? This
is cheating! I know that * has a whole set of rules
that apply just for him and his, but still....
:mad:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:03 PM
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21. He uses it during press conferences
Watch him - he stalls by shaking his head back and forth and pretending to think. Finally they feed him the answer and he spits it out in blurts of about six words at a time. Sometime they feed him a word he's unfamiliar with, so he mangles it. Listen to the rhythm of how he speaks in a press conference, then try it yourself - see if you can sneak in about six words between each of his utterances. It's so obvious.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:27 PM
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32. It certainly explains a lot!
Like when he insisted on rebutting what JK has said, but when Jim Lehrer gave him the floor, * went totally blank(er) and quiet for nearly five full seconds. The little cheat was listening to someone tell him what to say!

Okay, I am well and truly ticked. :nuke: If JK had done this, the *ies would hit him so hard his mother would feel it. Un-believable.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:09 AM
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114. I've always thought that the cadence of his speech gives it away.
I have nothing but that to support my suspicions that he wears an earpiece.

To me, it's hard to explain that certain way of talking he uses sometimes -- it's not just his usual mangling of the English language but, as you say, short bursts of words, just short enough for him to get a grab on, with no connection to normal speech patterns.

I agree with you, it's obvious when he's using the earpiece.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:27 PM
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127. If he wears one, Kerry camp knows it... Kerry camp can jam it.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:05 PM
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23. Wired? Possible...
Loaded? Without a question! :D
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:06 PM
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25. It sure didn't help him, but Americans should know that he's sneaky.
Americans have the right to know if the president can't or won't speak in public without covert assistance.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:09 PM
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26. It's an intravenous cocaine drip bag
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:16 PM
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29. Looks like his bullet proof vest
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 04:34 PM by 951
Does anyone have that pic of him putting it on before going out to toss a baseball at the Yankees/Diamondbacks game October 3rd, 2001?

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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:53 PM
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103. I will never forget how scared he looked to walk out in front of everyone.
Pure raw fright.

RTP
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 12:11 AM
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105. No comparison. Look at how high the vest is and how low
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 12:12 AM by merh
the object is in the photo at the podium. Bullet proof vests make don't begin that low in the back. Compare the photos, differences are obvious.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:23 PM
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30. Probably this reciever model
Scroll to the bottom to see it.

http://www.spy-equipment.com/uhf_spying_equipment.htm


The reciever is probably used with this tiny earpiece.

http://www.spy-equipment.com/ear.htm
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Faust Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:32 PM
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34. If he is...
... it's certainly not doing him much good.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:44 PM
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39. If he is able to be wired, Kerry can too

This needs to be exposed before the Friday debate.

Even if Bush is still dumb, that is all the more reason that people need to know that...
Even with someone talking for him, he is still DUMB.
Kick this please.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:52 PM
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41. There's a difference
Kerry doesn't need it. But yes, if it's true it has to be outed.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 12:57 AM
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107. Definitely expose him

Is there something that could jam it? There will be Dems int he audience, we can get them to bring it in and jam his signals. Better yet, use a scanner to pick up his freq and spoof him messages during the debate. No doubt it's probably encrypted like the NASCAR racing teams use.
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:43 PM
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38. Can't his super-dooper secret receiver
be jammed???
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:05 PM
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43. On previous threads
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 05:21 PM by goclark

they have considered jamming but no one would dare with Homeland Security in charge.

It is so ironic that Bush can wear anything and no one is worried that he doesn;t have something on him that would harm others.

Bush is so crazy that I would put nothing passed him.

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:29 PM
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45. I sent the link to drudge report
It will interesting to see if he has the guts to post it.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:49 PM
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51. Txs and welcome to DU

I wanted to send this link to Michael Moore, Jon Stewart and to CNN/especially John King but I don't know how to send a link.

x(
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:21 PM
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60. Now watch the video
as it d i s a p p e a r s !
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diabhal Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:47 PM
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50. Emailed The Guardian (UK)
I've reviewed both the videos and am very disturbed. I've emailed The Guardian (UK) as they have been running good features on the elections. They might find this interesting enough to follow up.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 10:29 PM
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92. Txs and welcome to DU

Glad to know that others are concerned.

Hope the guardian will help us clear up this mystery.

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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:57 PM
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54. Is he developing a dowager's hump??
Osteoporosis? He's quite slumped over there - and the pix I've seen of him really show his head jutting forward, out of line with his body.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:21 PM
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59. He is wired for voices
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:38 PM
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67. Could be...look at this picture...
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undercover_brother Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:28 PM
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62. Looks more like a back brace to me
To me it looks more like a back brace of some type. This might also explain why he was hunched over the whole debate.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:44 PM
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69. Show me a back brace with this shape!

If it was a back brace, I am sure that his handlers would have told us. Why take a chance on someone thinking it is a hearing device.

The man is wired for sound.
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undercover_brother Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:49 PM
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70. devices like you speak of are worn at the lower back and are much smaller
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 06:53 PM by undercover_brother
devices like you speak of are worn at the lower back and are much smaller. the thing you see on Bush is fairly bulky. it could also be a bulletproof jacket

look at some of these for example
http://images.google.com/images?q=posture+brace&btnG=Search&svnum=50&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:33 PM
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73. oh, so he's deaf AND has back problems.
i'm just being a wiseguy. welcome to du, ub! :hi:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:57 PM
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76. It should be illegal

to wear any device that is not known to the opposing team.

"Let's just check out that old "brace" Mr. President, let's
HEAR all about it."

With the terror alerts being so high and Kerry on the stage with him, we want to knowbefore Thursday, what that extra stuff is on Bush.

I bet you, if Republicans even suspected for one second,that Kerry had a bump on his back and a piece in his ear, our guys would be in jail by now.

Wake up everyone, this is serious.

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:01 PM
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77. LOL! It's this. Check out the pics.
Scroll all the way to the bottom to see it.

http://www.spy-equipment.com/uhf_spying_equipment.htm

And here's his hearing aid.

http://www.spy-equipment.com/ear.htm
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:34 PM
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81. Looks like a BINGO to me!

Question: I have no technican knowledge at all.

If by chance, Bush was going to have this on at the debate Friday night, where could the voice be coming from? Would they have to be in the audience or could they be around the corner or three blocks away?
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:48 PM
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102. A bulletproof jacket makes sense
Because it's not as if the audience members went through any kind of security check or anything. Of course, Jim Lehrer might go wild with his French action-pen-of-doom and attack * at any moment. Has * pledged any donations to PBS this year? Lehrer is a stickler for that. :spank:

A bulletproof jacket it is, then. With a ripcord snaking up his right shoulderblade.

;)
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:29 PM
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63. I wouldn't doubt it.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:30 PM
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64. That square in his back could be the place Cheney's hand goes.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:43 PM
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68. LOL! Good one! Thanks. :) n/t
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:06 PM
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71. i believe we have a right to get an independent report
on the state of his hearing.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:34 PM
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74. Inquiring MInds want to know

Does the President wear that ear piece because of a hearing loss or does he listen to voices?

Maybe the Enquirer wants to know.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:35 PM
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75. wow, you just made me realize who his god is! nt
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:03 PM
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78. Someone should hack the signal and play chimp screeches
in place of Rove's babbling.
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treading_water Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:00 PM
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82. Why can't it simply be a microphone pack?
I just know this is going send you lot howling that I'm a freeper, but here goes anyway.

What if the explanation is the simple one? What if it's simply a portable microphone battery back?

We know that their microphones were still on after the debate and they walked away from the podium because people heard * talk to Lehrer and Lehrer talk to Kerry. I doubt those conversation could have been picked up by the podium microphones.

BTW, my favorite theory so far is that * was rigged and Kerry somehow jammed the transmittion. :)

It just doesn't make sense that * would do THAT badly if he really was being fed lines through a transmitter.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:04 PM
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83. I think it was a bullet proof vest.
Lots of folks hate that guy, ya know.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:03 PM
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125. I sure wish it WAS a bulletproof vest

The CiC wearing a vest to the Presidential Debate. He's supposed to be our brave leader, keeping us safe from terrorist. Yet he is too afraid to appear in a controlled environment indoors without a bulletproof vest?

Then I'd follow with how they flew AF-1 away from Washington on 9-11 as Bush headed for the safety of a bomb shelter. I believe it took him over 30 mins in the air to pull himself together and turn the plane around?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:15 PM
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85. He has been that bad many times


but he was still the Boy King.

Now we know the Emperor has no clothes. We are watching him
very closely and we will speak up now.

If it is something innocent,then Kerry should have the option to wear one.

Let's put the whole discussion on the table and let everyone HEAR it.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:06 PM
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84. It's the outline of a Kevlar vest and we sound as silly as the
freepers making an issue about Kerry removing a pen from his jacket when we make a big deal about this. Besides, even if he was wired, he still got his clock cleaned so what's the point?

Normally, I have a pretty good sense of humor, but let's not give the freepers such ammo. They'll think we're serious about this (they have no nuance gene) and will go crazy. They love anything they can hang the "whiner" tag on and this is just fodder for them.

End of rant. Bedtime for 101er.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:31 PM
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87. No longer Mr. Nice Person

Wake up!
Hello, we are at war with the Republicans.

It is a mean war.
It is an ugly war.

They play nasty.

They don't play fair.

We try to always be perfect and technical.

Hello

Nice people finish last.

This is entirely different from Kerry pulling a pen out of his pocket. There was no evidence that he didn't use it appropriately.
He was not trying to hide the pen from anyone.

Hello

IMO and others (there have been numerous threads about the ear piece)
Bush had a suspicious lump on his back at the debates.

Hello,

During the debates, Bush was acting in a strange way. Yes, he has acted strange before but this was a debate/boxing match and he had slippery gloves on.

Should we inquire about it? Absolutely.

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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:46 PM
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89. sorry, but I think it makes us look like "sore winners"
hello.

I think it's like the boy who cried wolf. If you piss and moan about everything, then when you have a legitimate gripe, it falls on deaf ears, IMHO.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:59 PM
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91. Oh and, I'm still convinced it's a Kevlar vest which is hardly illegal.
My husband is a cop and that's pretty much what his back looks like as he's leaving our house. Just an observation. Besides, he the POTUS - if he were really wired for sound, don't you think they'd do a better job of hiding it?
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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:41 PM
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88. Why wouldn't they run it up his side and around front
I don't think there is anything to it. Running it up the middle of the back where everyone can see it makes no sense.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:54 PM
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90. Don't forget the famous "let me finish" remark-to-no-one...
http://nyc.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/6/bush-let_me_finish.mp3

The remark was made with 30 seconds left on the clock...
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:03 PM
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94. That was strange.
I wondered at the time who the heck he was talking to. I haven't seen any logical explanation for that.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:55 AM
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112. Now you might be onto something - that was a little odd and did
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 09:01 AM by 101er
seem to come out of the blue. I'd have to see the replay.
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:16 PM
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95. A movie "Runaway Jury" had a lawyer wearing something he pressed
behind his ear. It was flesh colored. It was quite invisible. He was being fed info on jury selection by a ?, one of those guys like Dr. Phil was/is who advises on jury selection. The movie was based on a book by John Grisham.

I saw that shot of bush and thought he was wearing a transmitter, too.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:19 PM
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96. If Bush is wired
why doesn't President Kerry have a jammer in his pocket? :evilgrin:
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:36 PM
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97. Maybe his frequency WAS being jammed. Maybe that's why he said
"working hard" all night long. He kept giving strange looks to someone in the audience. Maybe that was a cue .. "It's not working."
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andino Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:42 PM
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99. What Kerry SHOULD do next debate is the old
'Hand on the shoulder handshake and swipe the ear piece out trick!

YOOINK!!!!!
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 11:47 PM
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100. "it wasn't so different from using a teleprompter." (!!!)
Uh, except maybe you can't use a teleprompter in a freaking debate.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 01:28 AM
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108. If it's radio, it can be scrambled or picked up
right?

Anyone live near the next 2 debate areas?
You don't even have to be inside, am I correct on that too?
(LOL I Think I am :)

So which would be better? Scrambling so Bush's illegal/immoral crutch would be snatched from him before the entire nation;
or a recording of the whole thing after the fact?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:24 PM
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123. Record first 1/2 , then scramble the rest
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:29 AM
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109. I've never seen any
rectangular boxes sticking out of police body armor.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:37 AM
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111. kick for the am! What a buffoon!!!!!!!!!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:58 AM
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113. excuse me, but...
We all know that * can't formulate independent thought. It's one thing to use an earpiece for a speech, but to use one for a debate is CHEATING, no?

I hope the Kerry campaign has photos of this.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:24 AM
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119. Take a good look...
Coming up from whatever that is in his back is some kind of cord on the right side. It's strange because there's nothing coming from the left side to match it.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 04:25 PM
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120. KICK FOR THE P.M.! n/t
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:01 PM
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121. No tinfoil here -- I'm convinced "W" stands for WIRED
The cheatin'-lyin'-cokehead-fraud.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 08:03 PM
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122. yup, worhtless little weasel is a cheater
a liar, a cheat, a traitor . . .

an evil, evil, evil little bushturd
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:00 PM
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124. "How to test the Wired theory" by redpeter at indymedia.org
Is Bush using a wireless listening device? If so ... 02.Oct.2004 08:35

---------------------------------------------------------------------redpeter link


Is Bush using a wireless listening device? If so ...he is likely to be using a Completely-In-the-(ear)-Canal (CIC) earpiece, then it is likely to operate using FM technology.

People who or hard-of-hearing use assistive listening devices (ALDs) in conferences, theaters and other large auditoria to get Personal Address System sound delivered direct to their hearing aids or cochlear implants without any background noise which can be highly distracting.

If Bush and his handlers are using such a system, it is likely that it is operating using FM technology that is commonly found in ALDs, in which the latest short-distance transmitters uses a bandwidth between 216-217 mHertz. It is possible that a totally unique bandwidth was chosen, but then it would have to be customized, and not beyond the $$$ reach of the Bush campaign.

However, if we assume that Bush is wirelessly listening to his handlers, there maybe a way to check it out and listen in.

A Device made by Phonak (www.phonak.com) called a Microfield is able to scan the 216-217 mHz frequency range and will pick up any FM transmission in that range. (old technology uses 72-74 mHz, and the microfiled can also scan this bandwidht, but this range was recently sold off by FCC to a cellphone company, hence the newly designated 216-217 mHz bandwidth dedicated for ALDs).
(Unfortunately, Phonak does not list the Microfield, but I have a microfield receiver, and have seen them in operation)

Police scanners could also work if they scan a wide enough range of frequencies.

The most important criteria is to be within 100-300 feet of these extremely short-distance transmitters.

If an audience member wearing a microfield can detect such a transmission, it would be interesting to observe hopw the bush campaign respond to such evidence.

FYI, if you are interested in how high quality "pirated copy" or bootleg recordings of concerts are achived, it is simply by using an available ALD plugged directly into a recorder. If the listener could also record Bush Handlers talking to Bush, this would be excellent evidence.

Perhaps some-one can test this hypothesis at the next debate doing this. Please forward this suggestion to interested persons going to the Ohio, St. Louis and Pheonix debates.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/298647.shtml
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Natesta Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:14 PM
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126. Wow...
If this were true, someone needs to watch at the next debates and call him on it.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:54 PM
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129. Welcome to DU Natesta ...
"if this were true " ...you must have missed the video in this thread.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:16 PM
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130. "it wasn't so different from using a teleprompter."
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 10:18 PM by Gyre
It's a DEBATE you fucking morons!!!! :grr:

I WANT SOMEBODY TO ASK BUSH IF HE'S WEARING AN EAR PIECE, AND IF SO, WHY

Gyre
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:53 AM
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131. As Stephanie noted above, the issue of Chimpy wearing an earpiece
has been discussed on TableTalk since one (or more) of the 2000 "debates", where his weird long pauses before answering were accompanied by him cocking his head to one side, *exactly as if he was listening intently to something*, rather than the typical body language of someone thinking of a response. Well, it turns out that the earpiece rumors date even farther back than that. Google led me to this piece, from Nov. 1999:

http://www.americanpolitics.com/111999DISpatch.html



"About the only thing that Bush accomplished with this "momentous" speech was to provide his GOP opponents with plenty of ammunition when they actually face Dubya in a debate -- that is, if Bush ever shows up at one without the "earpiece" he is rumored to need to make sure he stays "on message."

The man fools nobody. You just have to ask yourself if this is the best the GOP can do for a presidential candidate."
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andino Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 02:04 AM
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132. You know,
I bet the GOP are kicking themselves in the ass about that 2 min rule seeing as how it takes bush 4 seconds to get his messages and the 4 to give them. That cut his time in half...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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133. Maybe they sent out the robot version by mistake.
That would explain his debate performance, particularly the endless repetition of stock phrases.
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