Bush Is NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH To Pull It Off On Friday

[Beetwasher]

His Problems And Mannerisms are all Born of Subconscious Impulses

He can't control himself and won't be able to compensate. He has neither the discipline or self control to command himself to overcome the driving force of his subconscious impulses. He will try to overcompensate (think even MORE ridiculous swagger and chest puffing) and look bizarre and foolish. He's NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH TO PULL THIS OFF.

Whoever's talking into his ear and giving him instructions is going to have a hard time. I wouldn't want that job. He already lost it once during the first debate and addressed them directly. This debate they'll be forced to give him even MORE instructions "stop slouching. Say this EXACTLY. Etc."

We all know how Bush reacts to this sort of thing. It's going to drive him nuts.

He's a defective product through and through.

The lustre has worn off and no amount of PR or marketing or propoganda can bring the people back to once again accept what they now know is a defective product. Bush's neocon bosses might have actually been able to pull off their complete seizure of the country if they had picked a different puppet. Someone who had at least a modicum of competence.

Bush is not that puppet. He has neither the competence, the charisma or the intelligence. He's lazy, incurious, dull-witted, boorish, obnoxious and astoundingly arrogant. He's defective through and through right down to the very core of his essence and no amount of propoganda or PR will make people believe otherwise now.

[wtmusic]

1. George Bush is an excellent debater

and frankly I'm concerned about Friday.

[Beetwasher]

3. Well, Oh, Yes, Of Course, That's What I Meant To Say Really.

:evilgrin:

[ibegurpard]

18. No kidding!

He was just setting us up and we need to be very afraid.

[Bunny]

21. Yeah, they call it sandbagging, I think.

:evilgrin:

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. Is Cheney trying to grab Edward's ass

in that picture? Or is he just trying to pick Edwards pocket?

[wtmusic]

54. He's feeling him up a little bit

at least it shows Cheney is human too. He has needs and desires like the rest of us.

[oregon_dem1]

69. I love your picture.

I couldn't stop laughing when I first saw it. I wonder what Edwards is thinking. Caption anyone?

[Cronus Protagonist]

66. Tru, Bush will be even tougher to beat - he comes back like a lion

He'll be very dangerous. Frankly, I fear Kerry may not make it through the debate.

http://www.factcheck.com - recommended by Dick Cheney



"So I don't worry about, and people shouldn't
worry about a draft. . . I think we're in good
shape, I really do. And, if not, we'll -- I'll address
the nation. But I don't see any need to right now."
- G. W. Bush (Source: The Whitehouse)

[pauliedangerously]

72. He's a MASTER debater n/t

[beniciodeltoro]

2. I am sure that Kerry has some zingers ready for the occasion

Bush just can't keep it under control.

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

70. Kerry I'm sure

is preparing while Bush is off doing his "hard work." I am a little worried but do have faith in Kerry.

[Mountainman]

4. He's afraid that someone in the crowd won't like him.

He won't be in front of only his supporters like he is use to.

Nixon was like that when he thought that people were out to get him.

[CrowNotAngelGRL]

71. I saw

the movie "Nixon" earlier this week and man he was paranoid about people not liking him. I guess since he was up to JFK and everything.

[Cha]

5. "The lustre has worn off "...

You couldn't be more right..the lustre is gone gone gone!

But maybe that bug in his ear will help him with his coherency.;-)

[snowbear]

6. Friday

It's going to be funny to see what type of act Bush will try to pull off.

He knows he can't =smirk= or make other typical Bush facial expressions.. But how long before one of his smirks accidently slips out? :bounce:

[IronLionZion]

7. I hope he starts sobbing uncontrollably

hey, it could happen!

[4_Legs_Good]

12. That would be sweet, sweet candy!

I'd love to see him loose his cool and storm off stage.

Ahhhhhh

david

[tblue37]

75. If that happened,

the media whores would tell us how disrespectful and mean Kerry was, and how making a popular war time president cry borders on treason.

[Ruby Romaine]

9. will they use botox? novocaine? a tack in his shoe?

[shivaji]

30. Damn it Ruby....you stole my thoughts and beat me to the punch LOL

[KharmaTrain]

8. Let's Make It Simple: The Manchild Is Stupid

For years they tried to hide this boy's inadequacies and immaturity with this veneer of being a great leader (uniter/not divider, war pResident) and it's all unravelling now.

What's gotta be frustrating to Rove & Hughes is how their puppet didn't implode due to the media or some Democratic "dirty trick"...all the boy did was attempt to open his mouth in a situation neither Rove nor Hughes could fully control. The boy was on a tight leash to start off with and now even that isn't working.

They're going into the homestretch here with the label "stupid" written all over their boy...and as a loyal and proud American, I feel it's important all of us remind every voter how stupid this boy has been repeatedly over the past 4 years specifically and throughout his entire life.

If someone wants to vote for someone whose stupid, then stupid is what stupid does, but who wants to say they're stupid...or even worse, voting for someone whose stupid.

[cthrumatrix]

19. clearly....he has run from the press day one.... nothing new....he is not

capable of extended intelligent conversation on issues...he fades quickly.

[4_Legs_Good]

10. He won't make the same mistakes twice, of that you can be sure...

but I do expect he'll make a whole new set of them.

This town hall format is more George Jr.'s style. He can get his blood pumping a bit more, but the questions may be tougher, which he's not good with.

I hope Kerry's ready and I hope Carville is working overtime - thinking.

david

[MoonRiver]

11. YEAH! Let's get ready to party hardy roundabout 10 p.m. this Friday!

YEEE HAAA! Let the games begin! :kick:

[AngryLizard]

16. My prediction is that he's just going to get nasty

They're going to have to do something. Bush can't defend his own policies in the face of direct criticism. Can't do it. Is outraged that he even has to do it.

I'm actually shocked that they haven't come up with an excuse to get him out of it, yet. But they still have a couple of days.

Another problem vis a vis the VP debate is that Cheney might have actually become a liability, what with his blatant and unnecessary lies (I never said there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11, I've never met this man before in my life, Edwards has a miserable attendance record). Shockingly, the media is all over it, and Kerry's accusation that they mislead the American people might actually get some traction.

[MoonRiver]

22. Well, how can they get nasty and not look nasty?

bush* is clearly falling, if not fallen, over the edge. Any little thing, like questions that typically occur in town hall meetings, could be his proverbial straw. If the bushistas come up with an excuse to cancel the debate, * is screwed without a doubt. His handlers are probably weighing how bad the damage of each alternative might be, as we post. Regarding Cheney, he has total control over this regime. He clearly doesn't want to let go of his powerhold. So, the only hope he and the rest of the neocon thugs have, realistically, are bbvs.

[bringbackfdr]

23. No doubt

Shrub will be a total prick from here on through to Election Day. The Kerry campaign, no doubt, expects this and will be ready to respond as well as it did with today's great ad.

[MockSwede]

52. Party Date SET

We've got Fahrenheit 911 as warmup to the second debate! Family and friends and DEBATE!

[coreystone]

13. Don't Let Up Senator Kerry.....

We need a clean sweep of totally diminishing any possility that Bush could make any points over the next two debates. The fat lady ain't sung yet ....... TORA! TORA! TORA!

:kick: BUSH BACK TO CRAWFORD !!

[jrthin]

14. I disagree; he'll

wipe the floor with Kerry. ;-)

[coreystone]

17. I might point out that "with" and "for" are not synonamous...

:-)

[jrthin]

27. Okay, he'll wipe the

floor "for" Kerry, but...ssshhh! We don't want to set the bar so low for the shrub that all he has to do is show up and utter two words and the corporate pundits declare him a winner.

[Boredtodeath]

15. They're cocky and confident

They have something up their sleeve. I hope to hell the Democrats are ready for whatever it is.

[Oddman]

20. No loyalty oaths signed for this one folks.

Is Gibson a Democrat or Republican?


George Bush is a MASTERdeBATER

What on earth is his hand doing? Bad hand - bad!

[AngryLizard]

24. It should be VERY interesting

We've all seen them both in this format. Oddly, as often as Bush has done these, Bush seems to have lost his folksy charm for a caricature of someone with folksy charm. From what I've seen of Kerry, I don't think he's going to have any problem looking relaxed and answering questions at the same time, so it's all going to come down to the questions, I think. If they get another "can you tell me how the deficit has personally affected you" questions like in 1992 (which is honestly my favorite election ever), Bush is screwed. If the audience shows even the slightest bit of hostility to either candidate, both of them are screwed. If Kerry can't once again, ad infinitum answer the 87 billion question from a member of the audience so that a 5-year old watching at home can understand it, he's screwed.

Veddy, veddy interesting.

Kerry's got that big ole huge smile, though. I heart Kerry.

[flaminbats]

43. Perot kicked ass in the traditional debates...

but during the town hall debates most felt Clinton won.

I wish Edwards and Cheney had the town hall debate, while Kerry and * were only having the traditional debates. Bush will have an opportunity to bring up the death penalty as an issue, and I'm sure the press will focus in exclusively on the audience's response to that issue.

My greatest fear is the rules have been made so strict that every question, answer, and word to be said has already been negotiated and scripted by the campaigns. This will not be a debate, it will be actors working for the candidates giving us another grand performance before we vote.

[Zero Gravitas]

57. Folksy Charm

Bush never had any "folksy charm" it was just a fabrication of the RNC and the SCLM. IF they say it often enough it becomes "true".

[snowbear]

26. TGIF

My guess is that.. no matter how much Kerry rocks, and no matter how much Bush sucks... that Chris Matthews will declare Bush the winner..x(

[onager]

31. $hrub CAN be a very disciplined debater

Go back and look at his debates with Ann Richards in '94. She repeatedly tried needling him to knock him off his stride, even using personal jabs like "$hrub."

It didn't work. Rove laid down the law, and told Monkeyboy to stay "on message" and not deviate ONCE from his canned talking points. He did, and never showed any hostility or tried any off-the-cuff responses to Richards' pokes.

The result was that the media painted Richards as spiteful and petty, while Bonehead won points for (gak!) "statesmanlike behavior."

I don't think Friday's debate will be very similar. For one thing, Bu$h should be under enormous pressure to look better than last time. For another, I think his Personal Arrogance Factor has skyrocketed in the past 4 years and he no longer listens as closely to Rove.

What I'd really like is for someone in the "town hall" to shitcan their pre-approved question and hit him right between the eyes with an unscripted question that stumps him.

Yes, I know, I'm dreaming.

[Beetwasher]

42. The Debate Against Richards Was VASTLY Different!

There was hardly any pressure. He didn't have ANY record of failure to be called on the carpet for! He had nothing to defend or Orwellian whoppers to have to pull off. Much much different now and as much as I like Richards, she's no John Kerry. Bush is Kerry's bitch now.

You'll know who wins Friday right at the handshake. That's when I knew Kerry won last week. Kerry owns Bush and when they approach eachother it's evident and Bush feels inadequate every time and it rattles him. It's ancient and it's tribal and it's deep, but the handshake will give it away everytime when you have a man like Kerry up against a pathetic piece of waste like the Chimp.

[Cha]

55. Dude!

:toast:

[Stephanie]

76. At the initial handshake?

What are you talking about? Is this some kind of male coded language?

[Beetwasher]

80. It's a Primate Dominance Thing

It's heavily symbolic and ancient and has to do w/ domination on a an unconscious/subconscious level. In the first debate watch the handshake. Kerry holds it longer, looks Bush in the eye and Bush essentially tries to run away. This rattled him. He knew he was up against a real man who dominated him.

You haven't seen it in other debates because there's never been anyone as incompetent or as insecure as Bush running for Pres. before. Bush is a Zeta male trying to play the role of the Alpha male. Usually in the debates you'll have two Alpha males against eachother and the handshake is irrelevant because they both hold it firmly and look eachother in the eye. Bush CAN'T do that. He doesn't have the confidence or the competence and it was evident. Watch the handshake tomorrow you'll see what I mean.

[Stephanie]

81. Wow, interesting.

Are all men aware of this, or is it subconscious? Was Bush aware in that moment that he'd already lost? Do men go around secretly giving each other handshake signals every day? Weird.

[Beetwasher]

82. No, Most Men Are Probably Not Aware Of It On A Conscious Level

No, men don't go around secretly giving handshake signals (for the most part, see below). It's something that occurs on an automatic subconscious level for the most part. The idea of a "firm" handshake means something for instance...Also the eye contact part is also very ancient and symbolic...Averting your eyes or not meeting someone's eyes is a subconscious indication of submission...

The handshake (and eye contact) is ancient and tribal and has deep symbolic and psychological implications. Many groups and secret societies, fraternities, gangs have secret handshakes that are signals to eachother etc. It's a symbolic gesture that goes way back into mans primitive past, a past we are not so far removed from as we'd like to think. The handshake and eye contact holds symbolic power. Kerry probably IS aware of this, Bush probably isn't.

[IronLionZion]

45. Tweety declared Kerry the winner last time

or was it Joe Scarborough? Someone at MSNBC declared it a clear win for Kerry immediately after the debate. :shrug:

[Sparkly]

28. Tweety was just showing Reagan's "I will not make age an issue" line

("I will not exploit my opponent's youth and inexperience...") Tweety and Tom Brokaw were saying that on viewing it now, you can tell Reagan was having trouble remembering the line -- that his mind wasn't very sharp.

What's odd is that he seems wayyyyy sharper than Chimpy does right now.

[Cha]

56. That is "odd"!

:toast:

[Booster]

29. Damn, I wish I had said that. Actually I have said all of those

things over the last 4 yrs; just not as eloquently. Very well written.

[NewJeffCT]

32. I expect Bush to do much better

When Bush has done well in debates - Gore & Richards - he has been a decided underdog. When he was a favorite - vs Kerry and vs that guy that ran for TX governor after Richards - he does terribly.

[Zinfandel]

37. On domestic issues? Economy, health care, jobs, environment, veteran cuts,

insurance costs, drugs, education, children's nutrition programs, outsourcing, minimum wage, student loans, Social Security, global warming, corporate pollution?

They raided the Treasury, gave the money to Halliburton military & weapons contractors, corporate subsidies, (welfare for the rich) right-wing churches and every other corporate republican donors.

While gutting every watch dog (EPA) program, breaking unions, derugulation...and he'll want to blame it ALL on his bullshit war in Iraq.

It won't sell to anyone with a brain.

[Francine Frensky]

50. But, this is a debate of WORDS, not actions! You are

in serious denial if you don't understand by now how these guys operate. Hughes will have Bush primed with all the female-friendly phrases he needs to confuse and mislead this audience.

Actually, I think he will do much better than people think. the main question is whether his meds will be properly adjusted so he doesn't slur his words and make faces and act confused.

that's the tough part.

[demzilla]

68. Re: female friendly phrases

We can only hope he brings up ob-gyns and their "love" for women again.

[Zen Democrat]

62. Bush has NEVER done well in a debate. He's been better or worse than

his norm -- but NEVER has he done well in a debate. In 2000 he SURVIVED the debates without imploding and that was considered a big victory for him (talk about lowered expectations!).

But this is different. Millions of people are looking at the man who led us into a quagmire. No more lowered expectations by the public. The media, sure, cause they're whores looking for a horserace to build the ratings at their profit centers; but, the public needs to see something more than a smirking chimp. So sad for *. That's all there is.

[NewJeffCT]

79. That is partly my point

Well, that is partly my point. Bush is never good in a debate. However, the first debate with Kerry was a disaster of historic proportions. I listened on radio and the long pregnant pauses where Bush tried to put some words together and then the pitiful attempts at speaking in complete sentences were even more glaring & painful to listen to. My wife was born overseas and I told her that Bush made me embarrassed to be an American he came across so poorly on radio.

That said, if Bush is only a minor disaster on Friday night, the media will trumpet Bush as the Comeback Kid. If he is merely bad, it will be a victory for Bush. If Bush is mediocre – like he was against Gore in 2000 – the media will declare that Bush trounced Kerry and that the Kerry campaign is reeling and in trouble.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

33. * should try a Rodney Dangerfield schtick.

I can't get no respect, I tell ya. I took a IQ test the
other day and the guy said I was a moron. I said I wanted
a second opoinion, and he said, "OK, you're an idiot, too."

[against all enemies]

34. Come on Kerry, push that dolt's buttons. Make him crack.

Maybe Dick can go with him , like the 911 Hearings.

[against all enemies]

36. Could Kerry set up George to lie, then crush him the next day?

Or will Georgie do it on his own.

[Joe Turner]

46. That's the trick

Kerry was highly successful in pushing Smirk's buttons in the first debate but it’s going to be more difficult to do this time around.

There is one issue that *I know* will set Smirk off into a dissembling mess of rage and incoherence.

Bring up the fact that Smirk has purposely left the U.S. Borders wide open since 911 allowing millions of foreign nationals to illegally enter into America every year. Then mention that terrorists can easily mix in with this massive influx and are.

This point will catch Bush totally off guard because he won't expect John Kerry to make it. And it will work because every single time this issue has been put to Bush he invariably stammers and turns red because he knows it’s not popular with his base and most Americans.

The power of this point is that it totally undercuts Bush's often-touted false claim that he is "pertectin America from Ter-ror". It totally blows him out of the water right there. It is undeniably true that our borders are not sufficiently protected in this age of terrorism and it’s because Smirk is in the pocket of the Cheap Labor Lobby.

The damning conclusion is that Smirk is more interested in protecting the wealth of his business cronies than he is about the safety and security of Americans. Yet, another case where Smirk is lying to the American People and does not have their best interests at heart. KaBoom!

I honestly can't think of a better issue to jump Bush with in this debate. If Kerry really drives this point home he will not only embarrass Bush but pick up a ton of republican and independent votes in the process.

It's a win win all the way.

[Cha]

58. I think bush's buttons are being pushed

with the truth coming from Kerry in a setting that is Not controled by his handlers.

I know rove, hughes, et al ..will have been huddling for days to try and make a silk purse out of sow's ear..we'll see what they come up with.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

35. Famous, early-in-the-career Karl Rove quote to Junior...

...he handed him a set of index cards with the talking points all clearly outlined and said "DON'T CONFUSE YOURSELF WITH THE ISSUES."

Meaning "Read what's on the cards. We did the thinking so you wouldn't have to." (I believe this happened while he was campaigning for Governor of Texas...I remember the quote but have misplaced the frame of reference).

It was Bush's mannerisms and facial expressions and body language that threw him in the crapper on the first debate. He CAN'T control it. If they drug him or give him a few sips of Chivas it'll only make matters worse. They're gonna have to cross their fingers and hope that he has the discipline to go out there and "act presidential."

He does not.

[David Zephyr]

38. Dare I Say It, Beetwasher? Ditto.

I agree with every word you wrote.

[Vincardog]

39. But how do you really feel? Don't hold back now your among friends

He is a lazy Fking looser who never took responsibility for a single thing in his life. :puke: :puke: :puke: :think: :crazy:

[Oddman]

40. Some folks are going to be really surprised at how well Kerry does.

This is his format - I was at a town meeting with him once and though he went on a little long then he has sharpened his responses.

He was very, very good in that format. Really at ease and connected with the group - a lot of whom were not supporters at the time.

[janx]

41. Isn't this one supposed to be about domestic issues?

I don't even think there's another one about foreign policy, is there? He blew the only fear-mongering chance he had!

[onager]

44. This one is Town Hall. Last one is domestic issues.

The lineup was: Debate #1 Foreign Policy (at the insistence of $hrub's handlers, who thought it was his strength for some insane reason); Debate #2 Town Hall, with both candidates taking questions from a studio audience; and Debate #3 Domestic Policy.

I'm assuming the "town hall" format will include questions from the audience about both foreign and domestic policy.

But I'm so paranoid about the Bu$hies ability to rig things that I halfway expect somebody to ask John Kerry if he hates Jesus.

[BillZBubb]

47. That's my bet too.

The "town hall" will be filled with right wing ringers. Bush* will get softball questions like "Have your prayers helped you cope with the incredible stress of leading America during this time of trial?"

Kerry will get the ones like "Will you flip-flop when you have to face the North Koreans like you did against Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda?" or "Why do you always raise taxes?".

Kerry will still do OK, but I doubt the Chimperor will be put on the spot.

[Cha]

60. I was kinda hoping that Kerry's

Negotiator has been helpful in keepin' Fair for Kerry!

[ReadTomPaine]

61. Yes, Gallup screened the questions, it's going to be biased

Interesting to see just how far they push it. I expect them to push it pretty far.

RTP

[Stephanie]

78. Gallup screened the questioners

Did they also screen the questions? I thought that was up to the moderator.

[janx]

48. Thanks for the correction. He still blew his big foreign policy

chance though, and I don't expect things to be too different on Friday, unless there's no rebuttal time involved.

[Cha]

59. NO that's bush!

With Kerry..it has to be about the death penalty..

Hope they ask about the flip floping so Kerry can set the record straight on National tv.

Does anyone remember how ol' bushy did in the town hall meetings with Gore..I seem to recall some shit but can't pin point it?

[Stephanie]

77. Does town hall format mean Oprah style? Will they be walking around

If they are walking around the stage Bush will lose his mind again. He is going to be peeved about Kerry's height.

[bagnana]

49. Argh. Why are we heightening our expectations for Friday?

Bush is now the underdog going into the next debate. He may have a lot of problems, but he did in 2000 as well with a dismal Gubernatorial record behind him. For some reason he was declared the winner of his debates with Gore. PLEASE stop saying he will be "exposed" or will have a meltdown. It creates expectations such that when Bush stands up the entire debate and doesn't make faces and answers the posed questions with a smile and a joke, this board will be covered with despairing posts. That's the last thing we need! I think we should just assume he will do fine, but note that he will need a knock out to stop Kerry's momentum.

[goodboy]

51. Some monkeys, when a mirror is placed in their cages, will never, ever

realize that they are seeing a reflection of themselves.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

53. Every two or three speeches, Bush has said something ridiculously funny

And that was when he had a scripted format. I know it's too much to hope for a colossal Bushism to cap his 4 years of glory but if he says something absurd and gets laughed at for a gaffe, it just may crush him. I'm glad I'm not going to be in the audience for the Town Hall debate because I wouldn't be able to control my laughter and I'd have to be escorted to the door.

[Gloria]

63. I'm thinking Bush will come across better....because of the format.

In a formal setting, Bush is usually awful. But put people around him--he seems to do better. He can play to them easier. With Gallup-screened questions, in Missouri, a conservative place....Bush could come across A LOT better.

[Joe Turner]

64. I tend to agree but

Bush has done few townhalls that were not scripted to the nth degree with party loyalists. The only truly open townhall debate that I remember him doing was with Gore and back then it was easy for him to B/S the audience because he didn't have a presidential record to defend.

That's all changed, but I do agree that Bush probably feels more comfortable in that setting.

[Cronus Protagonist]

65. He'll have to do more than show up - he's got a reputation to uphold

He remains undefeated in a debate, after all.

http://www.factcheck.com - recommended by Dick Cheney



"So I don't worry about, and people shouldn't
worry about a draft. . . I think we're in good
shape, I really do. And, if not, we'll -- I'll address
the nation. But I don't see any need to right now."
- G. W. Bush (Source: The Whitehouse)

[progressivebydesign]

67. Hell, he was drugged for the first debate, and he sucked..

how much more does he have to be drugged to get thru this?

[Beetwasher]

73. A Kick Because BUSH IS KERRY'S BITCH!!!

You'll know who wins Friday right at the handshake. That's when I knew Kerry won last week. Kerry owns Bush and when they approach eachother it's evident and Bush feels inadequate every time and it rattles him. It's ancient and it's tribal and it's deep, but the handshake will give it away everytime when you have a man like Kerry up against a pathetic piece of waste like the Chimp.

[unfrigginreal]

74. We'll be on Bush's turf Friday night

There's no way that Kerry will be able to compete the charming dazed looks, the folksy grumbling and the cute irascible machoism that Bush will display. Slam dunk for Bush.

[Homerr]

83. If/when Kerry wins what will the media be saying on Nov. 3rd?

- No more monkey-boy!
- We don't have to suck up to him anymore.
- Rake him over the coals until the inagural.
- We knew all along he wasn't up to the job.
- It's true, Cheney and Rove ran everything, Bush was a puppet.


Barring any Supreme Court intervention of course...I think the press will *finally* be most ungracious toward dubya as long as they know he is on his way out.