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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:42 PM
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Why The Debates Read Differently To Us
Normally when I see a vast difference between my interpretation of an event and the media's interpretation, I just put it down to spin and stupidity. However, in this case, I have been shocked not by the media's bias in favor of Bush, but by the fact that the polling and punditry following both debates is actually much *more* favorable to Kerry & Edwards than I would have been.

What can explain this Bizarro world? Well, a few things:

You and I and everyone else who's on this board have spent a fair amount of time tracking Bush's doings and we have seen him do some pretty stupid shit. Many's the time we have marveled at how he is able to get away with it. And so in comparison with 4 years of stupid shit that Bush has pulled, Thursday's performance was really actually not that far out of the ordinary. It didn't produce a moment nearly as bad, say, as that "sovereignty means...uh...you're sovereign" gaffe at the minority reporters' gig, or the "OB-GYNs sharing their love" gaffe; nor will anything, in my mind, ever be as bad as that fucking 'trifecta' joke he was constantly trotting out.

However, we have been made aware of many of these little gems through alternative channels--mainly the internet, the blogosphere, and all that, but also cable news, which, I would point out, *a whole lotta people don't watch.* I don't have cable, so I only know about Tweety et al. from what I read on this board. Most people who don't have cable may watch CNN once in a while in an airport and that's it. The cable news channels do increase their impact indirectly, by setting the agenda for the majors. If you are just watching the Big Three networks--and never reading a paper, as many of our fellow-Americans don't--then you haven't seen Bush do most of this stuff. Usually by the time an image of him hits the big time, it's been edited to within an inch of its life.

So for the fencesitting undecided voters, those 90 minutes must have been a pretty big shock to the system. It's the first time that most of them have had the opportunity to watch Bush in a situation where he has to deviate from a script. Bush did just as poorly at his last couple press conferences as he did in the debate--but 90% of the people in this country weren't watching at that point. Now they are; and precisely *because* they haven't been paying attention, getting a dose of what Bush is basically just like on any day God sends must have been a tremendous shock to the system. "Oh my God!" they must have thought. "Our president is an idiot!" We have known about his idiocy for so long we're desensitized to it. For the Undecided Voter, it clearly was new information...because let's face it, if you knew what Bush was really like, would you be an undecided voter?

From the media's perspective, I think you have to explain it another way:

We all know the corporate media are all about style over substance. The truth is not their job any more, at least as they define it; it's all abotu packaging and selling images. Well. If you look at the coverage of Bush's debate, what they keep coming back to is their shock and amazement at how *bad* a job Bush did of packaging himself. They have been handling pre-prepared Rovian events for so long that they just got used to the idea that this administration is slick, smooth, and lookin' good. To suddenly be faced with Bush In The Raw (ow! My eyes!) and to have to STARE at him for 90 minutes must have offended every last sensibility they had. Oh my God, you can hear them saying. How did I never notice that this guy is a fucking DISASTER? Well, they never noticed because since the 2000 election they had never been forced to sit through 90 minutes of pure Bush goodness without any banners, backdrops, inspiring music, teleprompters, interesting costumes, fake halo effects, or adoring audience members pitching softball questions. And from their point of view, well, world-destroying policies you can handle...but the badness of Bush's self-packaging was a tremendous affront to the power of the televised image, and for these people, that's the only unforgivable sin.

On to the Cheney/Edwards debate, where I was kind of disappointed, but where all the pundits seemed to think Edwards had come out of it very well. Here, it just shows you the power of expectations. Liza and I had very high expectations of Edwards; everyone else appears to have been expecting him to crumble or to look like a lightweight. Also, again, we have been forced to follow Cheney enough that we are inured to his ghastly appearance, child-scaring snarl, and lifeless, grumpy monotone; for people who haven't been paying attention since he went into the undisclosed secret location, it must have been rather startling to compare Edwards on one side and the Walking Undead on the other.

Either way, this is an unexpected ray of light, and I think it is very important, for several reasons:

* Now that there's blood in the water, look for the feeding frenzy to begin. We all know that they all run around after the same stories like a school of demented fish. And they like it that now Kerry is making a comeback, because it makes the race more exciting. A come from behind finish will play very well to them as a narrative, especially when coupled with a dramatic crash-and-burn gruesome traffic accident story such as what's happening now with the Bush administration.

* As I learned when my beloved Cubs were eliminated from the playoffs last weekend, it doesn't matter if you had the lead going into the final stretch; what matters is that you have the lead when the season is over. Kerry was smart to wait until later to make his move. And barring Osama's head on a platter--which would still be too litte, too late, and too conveeeeeeeenient--I don't think the Bush administration is going to have the time, the will, or the smarts to figure out how to turn the car around in time for the election.

* Something I have seen mentioned in a couple of the reports jibes with something I have long wondered about. I saw someone, and I can't remember exactly who, speculate that maybe Bush's problem was that he has been shielded from criticism for so long that he was just surprised to encounter some and didn't know how to deal with it. The question has long been on my mind: how much of the micromanaging of Bush's campaign events, etc. has to do with protecting his media image, and how much of it has to do with protecting him? In other words, are they screening all these events and enforcing their "free speech zones" not so much because they don't want protest footage on the evening news, but because they don't want Bush to *know* how badly he's doing? Is is possible that, in fact, they have locked him into a fantasy world of spin, and he is under the impression that everything really is going great and everyone in the country still loves him? And if that's true, there are two possible reasons: 1) They don't believe that he is emotionally strong enough to handle criticism, and fear that he will snap as soon as he encounters it (as one might argue he did last Thursday. Or, 2) They want to keep him dependent on them so that he doesn't start prying into what they've been doing while he was out at Crawford. Or, 3), both, and more besides.

Either way, it bodes well for Friday night. Everyone will be watching now because they want to see the 'rematch.' Good luck to Kerry taking 2 out of 3.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:46 PM
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1. Awesome
I love your posts, PlaidAdder!

:thumbsup:

DTH
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:52 PM
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2. I think you're right
about people being shocked by *Bush. There were pictures on Yahoo after the debate Thursday showing his supporters watching the debate. Some were cheering, some were screaming, as if they were seeing The Beatles up there on the screen, and some looked horrified.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:52 PM
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3. I like the way you think
and though some of the tv spokesmodel talking head pundits may be calling last night for the Snarl, at best the performance was a band-aid on a wildly pumping severed artery.

Personally, I thought the Snarl was a snooze. I was getting mad at first because it seemed like he was getting so much more time to speak. Then it dawned on me that it just seemed that way because he was so boring, monotone, muffled and always looking down at the deskm that time seemed to sloooooowwwww when he had the floor. He was so soporific I couldn't even summon my usual outrage at the bald face lies he told.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:55 PM
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4. A hell of a lot of Americans
are also about style over substance. I thought Edwards had BOTH last night, but apparently many rather uninformed people didn't catch that he was good on substance, they only saw a little pale frowning ogre next to an enthusiastic, smiling man.

After four years of TERRORTERRORTERRORFEARFEARFEAR, Edwards and his warmth and million watt smile are certainly a welcome change. I've heard that comment from people over and over since last night.

Good analysis. And spot-on.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:02 PM
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5. I watched the debate in the bar of an upscale restaurant in Orange County
BUSH TERRITORY...midway through...all his supporters were silent..then he did the "It's hard loving her as best I can" to which I guffawed "HOLY HELL..THIS GUY MAKES YALE LOOK LIKE A DIPLOMA MILL!" All of the staff at the restaurant had trouble containing their laughter....some of the bar laughed and the rest just sat there in disbelief not defending him...it was painful for them...these are the big money Repukes, not Talibornagains...you could smell the feeling of being totally fucked in the room.


Oh hey, PA...have you seen this?

http://www.n3t.net/humor/Seriously.mpg

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:13 PM
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6. On the latter point about why Bush is being protected...
... I do think there's enough tangential evidence to suggest that Bush's temper is volative, and that he brooks little dissent or disagreement around him. So, certainly, having carefully controlled campaign events has to be related to that tendency of his. (I'm thinking, in particular, about that infamous picture of Bush at a Republican event in Maine sneering at a protester being dragged away while giving the kid a thumbs-up sign.)

Kerry just pushed a few of his buttons, and a profoundly different Bush appeared than what the public has seen, but others have done the same thing. There was little said about Bush storming off in the middle of a recent quasi-press conference because he questions made him irate.

Same with the instructions to the Secret Service to prevent either him or cameras seeing protesters at his scheduled events. The Secret Service doesn't have the same instructions with Kerry's events. Those instructions are to keep him from flying off the handle because some disagree with him.

Voters noticed his demeanor during the debate because he couldn't just walk away from it--he was stuck there for ninety minutes, and it was apparent he didn't like it one bit.

I think that item 2 presumes that he's just an ignorant front man for others, and while I don't think he's the real brains of the operation, he's been caught in enough lies for careful observers to know that he's in favor of many of the maneuvers others are making behind the scenes. My own feeling is that he may not know all the details, but he knows enough of them that he's complicit; by this time, I think it would tough to make the case that he's an innocent unaware.

But, yeah, I think he's a ripe, royal dilletante who has to be protected from himself in order to ensure his political survival.

Cheers.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:24 PM
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7. Amazing analysis
And very encouraging. Great essay!

:bounce:
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:41 PM
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8. Regarding the Edwards/Cheney debate
I think a lot of people, fresh from last week's presidential debate, had the idea that in order to lose the debate, someone has to exhibit the kind of flop sweat and ruffled feathers that Dubya did. But in terms of pure debate, without theatrics, Edwards cleaned Cheney's clock. I saw it. A lot of other people saw it. But people attuned to emotional cues were missing it altogether.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:43 PM
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9. Rove Is All About The BIG GAMBLE and the KNOCKOUT Sleaze Punch
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 07:43 PM by Beetwasher
That gives him a lead close enough to steal. In this election he might have been hoping for the apparently insurmountable lead. With a defective product, that's about ALL you have. I suspect one more real big bad dirty trick and then he's done. If it works as well as his others so far this election, he's in trouble. Nothing's stuck to Kerry and with Bushcos credibility shot to hell, at this point, I doubt much will or can stick.

Their toast unless they're going BBV. I only hope Kerry is ready for that too.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:02 PM
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10. Bush's demeanor during the debate with
Kerry makes the camera rule that was in the set of rules all the more clear as to why it was in there. They didn't want anyone to see what he would do while Kerry was talking.
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CityHall Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:35 PM
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11. Ticket flipping

After the Lieberman-Cheney debate in 2000, many people responded that the vice-presidential candidates appeared more presidential than the tops of the tickets, who were spouting slogans about lockboxes, and reformers with results, while their seconds had a serious discussion about issues. What happened this time is that yet again, Cheney showed himself to be the brains behind the President. Not so with Edwards. He seemed clearly lighter and less qualified than Cheney for a jod as, for example, Secretary of Defense, the sort of job which Cheney has held several times. But Edwards isn't running for Secretary of Defense, and Cheney's cold CEO demeanor may alienate more voters than Edwards will lose with his drawling non-responses on security issues.

I don't think anyone will walk away from this debate wanting an Edwards-Kerry ticket more than a Kerry-Edwards one, but I'm at least curious how a Kerry-Clark ticket would have fared. On the other hand, Bush's ineptness only looks worse when contrasted with Cheney's robust command of the few arguments that can support his increasingly flawed policies. There is a danger that Kerry's win over Bush will be spun as a win of style over substance. This would be to misunderstand what happened, and not just because Bush failed on what is being called "substance" as well.

The debate format isn't a good one for getting to the bottom of issues like what effect bilateral talks will have on North Korea, or what Zarquawi did and when. THose issues can all be hammered out in articles and round tables by people other than the candidates themselves. The true value of the dabates for voters who are not policy analysts is that they see for the first time how the candidates think and respond under pressure when confronted with greater and more direct challenges than they face on the campaign trail. This is not a question of style, but one of basic competence for the challenges they will face every day in office.

Issues like "winning the stride," or looking into the camera are purely style, but the ability of a candidate to defend his positions in an open forum is a good measure of his ability to handle the job. For that reason, the obvious competence gap between Kerry and Bush, and the even more obvious gap between Cheney and Bush (as they're defending the same positions) should give undecided voters serious doubts about whether George W. Bush can be trusted to continue in office.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:53 PM
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12. Bravo Plaid Adder!
BTW re: your graphic. We are at LEAST going a nice light shade of red this year. At least we're trying like hell. :D
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 10:04 PM
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13. I agree. You can't call a retard "Churchill" without calling your own
brain into question. I love your stuff, PA.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 10:17 PM
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14. Phenomenal analysis (as usual) PA!
I especially agree with this part:

how much of the micromanaging of Bush's campaign events, etc. has to do with protecting his media image, and how much of it has to do with protecting him? In other words, are they screening all these events and enforcing their "free speech zones" not so much because they don't want protest footage on the evening news, but because they don't want Bush to *know* how badly he's doing?

Bush is a man who simply CAN'T handle criticism. Look at how he reacted to that Irish reporter simply asking legitimate questions our press is too cowardly to ask. He completely falls apart. He gets angry, testy, and most importantly -- OFF MESSAGE. When Bush is overcome by those strong emotions, he shows his true self. He lacks control, which is why he has to be carefully managed. He lacks knowledge about the most important issues our country and this world faces -- which is why he has to be coached with talking points and why he sounds like a broken record repeating those talking points over and over again.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:22 AM
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15. "Jeezus, my President has the IQ of a dust bunny"
One of Jim Hightower's favorite one-liners, and very very true.

Methinks many of the "undecideds" realized this last week. They're getting more of this truism this week and next re the debates.


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