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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:33 PM
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Upcoming events.. Will Bush get small bounce?
Tommorow's job's report -- While I wouldn't think there would be a huge increase, I DO NOT TRUST the Bureau of Labor to provide honest and accurate numbers!!!

This morning on American Morning, they said ecomonists are projecting a robust increase of 150,000 + jobs to be announced in the morning.

I've been worrying about the September's jobs report for a month now because the woman in charge of the Bureau of Labor is such a disgusting Bush kiss-ass who defends him to no end. And think about it.. what better thing can they hand Bush than a great job's report on the same day as a domestic issues debate?

I hope my suspicions of them providing bogus numbers are WRONG, but I do NOT trust them!!!!!!

Secondly.. the upcoming elections in Afghanistan. Will they spin this out of control??

Face it.. I worry too much ~ :shrug:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:34 PM
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1. No bounce for chimpy.
Sorry, unless actual people are working actual jobs, no one will be impressed by some silly ass number.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 03:04 PM
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15. You tell 'em sweet smell 'em, I don't have the nerve!
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:35 PM
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2. No. Maybe a big kick in the ass.
Or bounced. But not a small bounce.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:35 PM
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3. 99% Certain
that the books are being cooked as we speak........

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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:36 PM
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4. Job Numbers
With all the numbers being tossed about, adjustments, indicators, etc. I don't think good or bad numbers will mean much to the voters. The day to day cost of living is increasing, everyone knows at least two people out of work if not more (depending on where you live) and oil prices are going to make this an expensive cold winter.

The job numbers are abstract. My out-of-work friends are a reality.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:37 PM
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5. It'll Never Make More Than A 20 Second Snippet
There's too much other crap the media's playing with right now.

It's gonna get as much play as the price of crude hitting record highs right now. No one knows, but we're all gonna pay and the rich keep getting richer.

Also Congress is about to pass bills giving massive tax breaks to major GOOP contributors and outsourcers.

Nope...we wanna know if Kerry uses botox.
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missjudy6 Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:39 PM
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6. what are 150,000 new McDonalds jobs
compared to millions of jobs lost since shrub stole office?
Really, would any intelligent person be swayed by this?
Then again one would have to question the intelligence of anyone sitting on the fence
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BigSky Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:39 PM
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7. No Bounce
Even if Bush sees a small bounce from the numbers, it will be countered following the debate on domestic policy. I'm amazed that someone so intellectually inferior could be in leading through one failed term...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 07:31 PM
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17. Hi BigSky!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:41 PM
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8. Is that because of all the new Walmart super stores?
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 02:41 PM by Mountainman
Oh boy, now I can afford the crap made in China that I put on the shelves!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:41 PM
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9. :o)
Thanks for the replies! I feel better already ~~~ :grouphug:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:44 PM
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10. please - 150,000 jobs is pitiful
If the Bush Economy created 150,000 jobs last month, it is a net of zero, people. The economy needs to create at least 150K jobs per month just to keep up with the growing population. (That means that the 1.7 million jobs created in the past 12 months is a net less of at least 100,000 jobs!!!!)

CNN & Fox will tout this job creation as awesome, though. And, they will never put it in historical perspective. An average month under Bill Clinton created about 240,000 jobs.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:48 PM
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11. Not bloody likely.....
this campaign currently has a sucking chest wound.


stick a fork in it, sam....
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:50 PM
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12. Just remind people that these numbers all end up being "revised" anyway.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 03:09 PM by theorist
So far under *, all the revisions have put the number of created jobs lower than originally reported. I don't even think this counts as "spin". It's just a fact.

When calculating these statistics, I'm sure that when the Census Bureau is collecting and processing these numbers, they are completely fair, but the administration cherry picks the projections/estimates that appear optimistic. Statistics can be strange things.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 03:02 PM
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14. I guess they use the "fuzzy math" that bush talked about in his
2000 debate with Gore.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 03:09 PM
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16. "Fuzzy math" or "fuzzy logic" is a real thing.
Here's a brief explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic

It's kind of funny that it is "generally rejected by mathematicians and statisticians." Maybe they are using it to calculate the unemployment rate.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 02:59 PM
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13. Tomorrow's report...
I do remember that for one of the job's reports in the last 6 months or so.. the analysts were DEAD WRONG when they projected a huge increase.

They were stunned when there was barely any gain. I suppose that could happen tomorrow. :shrug:

I just want them to report honestly, and not fudge the numbers.. (asking a lot, I know :crazy: )
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