Tweeety Dropped The Robert F Kennedy Question

[DemocratSinceBirth]

He asked the pro Bush , pro Iraq War college students at Washington University if they supported the war... They said yes...

Then Tweety asked them if they would fight in it....


They got a bad case of the hummina humminas...

[muchacho]

put up or shut up punks

[WI_DEM]

1. beautiful

that's what should be asked. If they support their hero's war--these young guys and gals should put their schooling on hold and enlist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I Wish I Had The College Where RFK Posed The Question(nt)

[H2O Man]

21. University of Oklahoma

"In the question period someone asked about student deferment from the draft. Kennedy said he was against it; he could afford to send his children to college, but otherscouldn't, and it was unfair. 'There was hissing and booing,' recalled Senator Fred Harris, who had accompanied Kennedy. Kennedy said to the audience, ' Let me ask you a few questions.' How many favored student deferments? Resounding cheers from students. How many favored escalation of the war? The vast majority raised their hands. 'Let me ask you one other question,'said Kennedy. 'How many of you who voted for the escalation of the war voted for the exemption of students from the draft?' There was, said Fred Harris, (who supported the war) a 'giant gasp'; then stunned silence; then overwhelming applause."

Robert Kennedy and His Times, by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., pgs 823-4

[drfemoe]

30. tingles

amazing what it takes to get some folks to 'THINK'!! :think:

[H2O Man]

31. It is....

but it's also an example of how important it is to learn to use a language that others understand. Kennedy knew how to communicate a message in simple terms -- not because the students were "simple-minded" -- but because the society was so confused. Between 1964 and '66, Robert began to understand things differently, and he eventually learned to communicate that understanding to others.

"Now we're saying we're going to fight there so we don't have to fight in Thailand, so we don't have to fight on the west coast of the United States, so that they don't move across the Rockies .... Maybe (the people of South Vietnam) don't want it, but we want it, so we're going in there and we're killing South Vietnamese, we're killing children, we're killing women, we're killing innocent people .... because (the enemy is) 12000 miles away and they might get to be 11000.

"Do we have a right here in the United States to say we are going to kill tens of thousands, make millions of people, as we have, refugees, kill women and children? I very seriously question if we have that right. Those of us who stay here in the United States, we must feel it when we use napalm, when a village is destroyed and civilians are killed. This is also our responsibility. The picture last week of the paratrooper holding the rifle to the woman's head, it must trouble us more than it does.

"We love our country for what it can be and for the justice it stands for and what we're going to mean to the next generation. It's not just the land, it's not just the mountains, it is what this country stands for. And that is what I think is being seriously undermined in Vietnam. There is unhappiness and uneasiness in the United States right now, and there must be an outlet for it."

--Kennedy on "Face the Nation"; from Schlesinger, page 885-6

[drfemoe]

33. was thinking same

Communication is key.
Asking questions can be an art form.
Yes, he did. Expertly.

ty for the snips.
I want that book.

[Cha]

20. Man if I were such a gung ho war

supporter..I would be ready to go! WTF :wtf: is wrong with these bush idiots?

IDIOTS FOR BUSH!

[Blue Gardener]

Of course they won't fight in it

Chickenshit bastards.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. Yeah, that college girl was CLUELESS...nt

[Clinton Crusader]

3. all these kids are all for anything that's pro violence UNLESS

it actually hits home. Lordy! Remember the college students during Vietnam??? What a difference...

:kick:

[Julien Sorel]

25. If given the choice between the war and a draft,

they would be peace loving, freak flag flying war protesters tomorrow. That's the difference.

[Booster]

35. A young man I know is a cop and I mentioned there could be

a draft coming. he said "if I'm called up, I'll go and fight". I said "why would you want to go to a foreign land and kill people who have done absolutely nothing to us". Stopped him cold and he changed the subject. I don't understand why people don't understand that the people in Iraq are doing exactly what we would do if another country invaded us and wanted to steal the only thing we have. They have made the word "insurgent" into something dirty and equal to "the enemy" when the dictionary uses only one word to explain it: rebel. Seriously sad state we're in.

[drfemoe]

4. Lol!

Imagine, "pro Iraq War college students", supporting the WAR?

wonders never cease.

hummina!

[terrya]

5. Yes, that IS a problem, isn't it?

I mean, here you are, supporting your idiot President's disgusting war, and then someone comes along and asks you to FIGHT in it. Really, the nerve of some people!

[rumguy]

7. If they support it they should be over there RIGHT NOW

[Out the Parasites]

8. Who what where when...damn I missed it again

[homerthompson]

9. y'know, the most common response by prowar repugs is...

"well, I can do more for the war by supporting it here at home, in the states"

so the repugs love war, as long as it's someone else that's risking their lives.

[Wright Patman]

10. These kid were raised on Raygun

They are totally driven by image. It is really sad to think this is the future of America. Most young people throughout history have been more idealistic about creating a better world. This one is all about violence and video games. They do not think they will have to fight, only watch "cool videos" from F-16 cockpits of mainly women and children "insurgents" being "lit up."

Also, you have to bear in mind that these kids' parents, who are footing their tuition bills, are no doubt watching their appearance with Tweety. So I will allow for a bit of pragmatism on the part of the kids.

[DemocracyInaction]

15. Wright Patman-- you are so correct

I've been in disgust for years. As a person who did a lot of campus rioting in the 60's (it wasn't just the war but social justice, civil rights and the beginnings of women's rights issues)I'm just sickened by these useless beings. They stand for nothing but shop till they drop, marry a corporate man, have all those nice Pottery Barn shit in their look alike houses and raise children as totally useless as themselves. My generation failed---we raised scum.

[RafterMan]

19. Oh, the kids today!

I tell ya...

You're getting old.

[cheshire]

11. There were only two girls that were for B/C. The rest were Dems against

the war.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. The Two Heathers... Well One Could Have Been An Heather (nt)

[kcwayne]

12. These kids are disgusting

What a turn of events, that I would never have imagined when I was their age. Here I am at 51 years of age, looking at these little shits with the same disdain that I looked at 51 year olds when I was 20 for espousing the same, pathetic, mindless drivel and completely self serving and immoral positions on war.

How could the world have turned so upside down? Send their sorry asses to die in Iraq and let them feel the cold steely horror of their evil ideology.

[tjdee]

14. Most young people don't think this way.

Most young people are either apolitical/cynical about politics, or are liberals.

Look at the type of music they're listening to. Look at the kinds of shows they're watching. Hardly neo-cons in the making. Many of them just don't think about politics at all. So when they hear "support our troops" they think gee, we must be in a war for a reason.

[kcwayne]

17. I hope you are right

but here in the heartland of Indiana, I have not seen many liberal kids. All I see are the repukes and neo fascists.

The only time I have seen these numbnuts get riled up is when Indiana University fired Bobby Knight. The students took to the street and raised hell. And all because they wanted to keep a dictator in power.

I was flabbergasted. When I was in college we protested the bombing of Cambodia and Laos, and the widening of the war in Vietnam. These dickheads are only motivated to keep a winning record for their basketball team. It is demoralizing.

[liberalpragmatist]

22. Hey, I was a Liberal kid in Indiana

I was in Indianapolis - at my school, my friends and I were mostly liberal - you can find them, particularly at places like North Central High school, a lot of the private high schools (Brebeuf, Park Tudor) and a lot of the other more urban schools. (Side note: I went to one of these schools, I'm not saying which though!).

Of course, I don't know exactly where in Indiana you are.

As of now, however, I'm incidentally at Washington University - I was there during the hardball taping - trust me, all the other kids around me were snickering at her and saying she'd made the whole school look bad, that she'd been humiliated on national tv.

So I wouldn't worry too much - kids today are just quieter and maybe more moderate, but kids are getting a lot more political these days - I predict voter turnout will be very high and it'll mostly go to Kerry.

AND if by some horrible act of God Bush wins, expect that energy to be turned into a massive antiwar movement.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Think It Was At The University Of Indiana Where RFK Posed The Question

nt

[kcwayne]

27. Well, then you are a strong minded and exceptional individual

and I hope you are infectious. The only place I have lived in my life that is less progressive than Indianapolis is Dallas. I have met a number of students from IU and Purdue, and they are without exception, pathetic and pampered. They will all vote for Bush. For you to come out of this environment without scales on your eyes is quite an accomplishment, and I wish you well in life.

I live in the Geist area which is Repuke central. My daughter will go to Lawrence Central. I like that very much because the school has diversity, and although she has only known a life of privilege, I want her to see and experience people who are not wealthy. I grew up very poor and disadvantaged, and although I have done reasonably well for myself, I have not forgotten where I came from, and where the majority of my family still lives.

[liberalpragmatist]

28. Trust me, she'll find liberals at LC

I didn't go to LC nor did any of my close friends, but I do have friends of friends who went there, including a couple very bright, very liberal girls who are now at Yale. North Central has a lot of diversity is a great school and I have many friends there - lots of liberals. I was also involved in speech and debate, so you meet a lot of really intelligent kids that way. Many were liberal, and even those that were Conservative, were pretty reasonable, intelligent conservatives.

Brebeuf and Park Tudor are both private prep schools, with a mostly middle-class/upper-class student body, and many people at both schools are quite superficial, but given that they're academically rigorous, selective schools, there are EXCELLENT teachers at both schools, many of whom are quite liberal and so is a surprisingly large portion of the student body - you'll be happy to know it's generally the higher-performing students.

I've also found that the Jewish community in Indianapolis is generally Democratic and many scientists at Eli Lilly are(my parents work for Eli Lilly). Trust me, I'm not saying Indianapolis is a liberal city, but you can find liberals there. And go hang out at Broad Ripple, it's a nice little liberal oasis.

Also, don't totally dismiss Purdue and IU - they're both HUGE state schools, so they represent the entire spectrum, but I have a number of very intelligent informed friends who are at IU and Purdue. Some are pretty conservative, but still very informed, and many are moderate or liberal. I've met a good number of liberal students from IU - you'll get tons of idiots too, that's just a reflection of its size.

[Bush was AWOL]

16. Most of these kids don't support the war

and seem to be liberals. Why do you say they're disgusting?

[kcwayne]

18. I am talking about the dingbat that Tweety posed the RFK question to

and was more than happy to see other people fight wars, but didn't think it would apply to her, or other rich people.

I am VERY glad to see the number of vociferous Kerry supporters in the crowd. I simply have not seen that elsewhere, and truly, TRULY hope it is reflective of a large segment of this generation.

[liberalpragmatist]

23. self delete

n/t

[liberalpragmatist]

24. I was there - trust me, we were all snickering

If you saw the crowd, Kerry supporters OVERWHELMED the crowd - it was a sea of Kerry/Edwards signs (I was proudly holding one up). Of course, the thing about Wash U. is most of the students are from middle-class or upper-class background - it's a private school - but it's in the same situation as the ivies - most of the students are still really liberal. I'm not sure how representative it is of the country as a whole - truly, the crowds at U. of Miami and ASU are probably going to be more representative.

Anyway, I was in the crowd - when we saw that girl saying that statement, everyone around me just groaned. The guy right next to me was like "she just humiliated herself on national tv" and "she made our school look like idiots on national tv!"

Trust me, she was not representative.

[zbdent]

29. Tweety really should have a Marine recruiter right there when

he asks that question!

"All those who think that Bush is doing the right thing in Iraq, Please move to the Right of the Seats! Okay? Is that everybody? Good. Master Sargent, here are your new recruits."

And block the exit . . .

[pfitz59]

32. Michael Moore stopping members of Congress.....

and trying to hand them military enlistment forms. Priceless! Armed Forces recruiting tables should be a permanent fixture at Repuke events! Lets see how many sign up!

[txindy]

34. Oh, my, if only!

Those college kids would do a perfect 180 degree turn in their beliefs before the recruiter moved one step. LOL! Those kids think they can support the war and not be at risk because there's no draft. Yet.

[MattNC]

36. did someone tape this?

would love to see video of it. i think i've missed the hardball replay for the evening.