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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:34 PM
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Arnold thread on yahoo asks what CA thinks of him
here's the board:

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=l&board=37138469&tid=apschwarzeneggerpolitics&sid=37138469&mid=188

Here's my response:
http://post.news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138469&tid=apschwarzeneggerpolitics&sid=37138469&mid=188&n=1

He is destroying our state and trying to tear us down to the level of a third world country.

I teach college part time at several campuses, and one school had to close the cafeteria and school paper, and another laid off something like 25% of their part time faculty a year or two ago.

Essentially, Arnold is doing to California what Bush is doing to the country: cut taxes, privatize everything so his friends can make money off it, deregulate everything and weaken unions, and not out-argue the opposition, but shut it out so that no one can block any of this.

This ideology is so unpopular in South America that people are marching in the streets of Bolivia, and even the army in Venezuela wouldn't cooperate with Bush's coup against their elected president. Maybe it's because they do things like privatize their water and try to charge them a quarter of their income for it. Here in California, they did that with deregulated electricity, blackmailing our governor, then using the manufactured crisis to get Arnold in office.

People are rebelling against it here and in South America not out of ideology, but as a matter of survival.

I teach college at a couple of different schools that add up to more than full time equivalent, but I don't have health insurance through any of them, and can't afford to buy it for myself. I don't even make enough to pay off the student loans that were required to make me qualified to teach.

There are some functions the government can do better than the private sector and should like education, health care, fire protection, and police. When those functions are provided by government, small businesses profit because they can compete with big corporations for employees. If you have to choose between a nice mom & pop shop and a soulless corporation, you are usually forced to choose the corporation because mom & pop can't give you health insurance.

When California was closest to this model, we were the state people all over the country were coming to, and had the best schools and colleges in the country. Now we are on a race to the bottom. If some other state wants Arnold, you can have him.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:40 PM
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1. Pssssssst. Ahnold is a shill for Cato Inst. "TABOR"s
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 02:44 PM by EVDebs
See www.ombwatch.org posts on Colorado style TABORs
www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/2776/1/331

They are disastrous but Arnold is fronting for them. The real story is that Ahnold's economic advisor Warren Buffett sponsors raising corporate taxes

www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0306-01.htm

and a lessening of the corporate welfare that have put CA in the position it's in right now as the world's 6th largest economy but with corporations that shift taxes to the public:

""After World War II, the nation's tax bill was roughly split between corporations and individuals. But after years of changes in the federal tax code and international economy, the corporate share of taxes has declined to a fourth the amount individuals pay, according to the US Office of Management and Budget." --Boston Globe series on Corporate Welfare ""

http://www.corporations.org/welfare/

We need to make sure that whoever challenges Arnold and whoever fights the TABOR measure that will end up on the ballot in November realizes these facts. Globalization interests will try to obfuscate and make out that business is being overtaxed, not undertaxed. With those making over $3 million per year, as David Cay Johnston's book Perfectly Legal shows, those entities have been making money, not losing money lately...Joe Sixpack can't say the same.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:44 PM
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3. great post! We have to figure out how to tax them so they can't hide
it in the Caymans.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:46 PM
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4. That TABOR should be called the "starve the beast" law
Grover Norquist could have written that shit (and probably did)

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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:44 PM
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2. We, Californians...
must do everything in our power to defeat Gov. Gropenfuerhrer's propositions. A waste of f*#king $80 mil--which should go to our state budget instead of a wasteful special election. I don't about you but I have election fatigue--tired of these mindless elections. It's obvious this Repube moran does not know how to govern period. We must defeat him and for good!! God only hope the star-struck idiot voters wake up and see the reality--wishful thinking I know...God help us!
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:09 PM
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5. Keep the faith!!
His numbers are low in all recent polls. The BLUE state we live in WILL wake up, and many already have. All we need to do is GOTV.

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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:11 PM
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6. Here's my post on Yahoo
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 06:09 PM
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11. i like that
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:43 PM
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7. I was born in California. I hate this man for what he's doing to
California. I hope this cures the idiots who put him in of ever doing something so stupid again.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 04:13 PM
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8. Cute puppies!
Here's one of my babies.

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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 04:14 PM
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9. Here's the other one

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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 04:15 PM
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10. This one is NOT my Baby
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