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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:09 PM
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Don't let Republicans decide Democratic primaries. Oppose 62
62 will lead to situations as happened when Republicans raided Cynthia McKinney's race two years ago and voted against her in a primary where registered Democrats favored her. We could get Arnold running against Simon (if one ran in the Democratic Primary) for governor in the 2004 general election. It failed before and results in the worst candidate running against the worst candidate.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:16 PM
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1. A quick couple of things.
A there is no party affiliation in GA so you do not register as a Democrat or Republican.

Also, this previously allowed CA residents to vote for McCain the Republican primary so there could be some CA specific benefit.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:30 PM
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2. Tried it before in CA with disasterous results
The Republicans raided our primary and we didn't raid theirs and so the worst candidates were selected in most races.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:40 PM
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3. Not really "open" primary...
This proposition is wrong on so many fronts. As I posted on another board...

I am against prop 62. As stated, it would be a disadvantage to the party that ran more candidates than the other. For instance, if 5 Democrats ran and only 2 Republicans, the Democratic vote would be spread too thin to win any spot AT ALL in the general election. Also, third parties would be locked out of the November election, and in some state legislative districts Democrats would be completely locked out of the race, in others Republicans would be completely locked out.

Those that support it claim that it will increase competition and accountability. Where have we heard that kind of language before... no surprise that corporations have bankrolled the initiative. They claim that candidates would have to appeal to a larger number of voters. How would that be a good thing? Aren't we already saddled with a system in which the major parties pander to a mythical center while serving corporations? Also claimed, is that it would deflate partisan vitriol. What is wrong with partisan politics? Isn't that why we have political parties to begin with? Aren't are candidates supposed to have platforms and agendas that differ?

Those voters who are interested in non-partisan voting can simply simply re-register to vote as an independent or decline-to-state voter. Then they can vote for whomever they want in the primary.

The more I think about this proposition, the more it stinks. This perverts the whole idea of an open primary which should still allow the top vote getter from each party to run in the general election. What Prop 62 will do is lock up the candidates in March. Without a doubt the candidates will be 1 Democrat and 1 Republican or 2 Democrats or 2 Republicans. Third party candidates would no longer appear on the California ballot in the general election in the fall. It also puts the ability of progressive democrats or third party candidates to raise money and mount a campaign at a distinct disadvantage because the primary is held in March. The RNC Republicans and DNC Democrats already have a flow of cash but third party and progressive campaigns would be trying to fundraise during a tight money time of year... after the holidays and before tax day.


From The San Francisco Bay Guardian

The Prop. 62 scam
By Richard Winger

PROPOSITION 62 WAS placed on the November state ballot by big-business interests. It would require that all candidates for Congress and state office run on a single primary ballot. Voters would choose from that primary ballot, and the top two vote getters would then compete in November. There would be no other route onto the November ballot except by coming in first or second in the March primary.

The money that paid for the signature-collecting firm to get Prop. 62 on the ballot came from the following: Countrywide Home Loans, $350,000; Charles Munger, CEO of Wesco Financial, $200,000; and Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix, $100,000. Other individuals who gave $100,000 are Elizabeth Rogers, Otis Booth, Stewart Resnick, Jerry Perenchio, and Richard Riordan. Individuals who gave $50,000 are Eli Broad, Haim Saban, Robert Day, and Donald Fisher.

Our California legislature is very diverse, not only ethnically and by gender and sexual orientation, but also in ideology. Yes, there are wild-eyed conservatives in our state legislature, but there also are solid, principled liberals. And yes, sometimes our legislators fight bitterly with each other, and it does take a while to get our budget passed. But that very diversity guarantees that every significant group in California has a spokesperson in the legislature.

Big business doesn't like our legislature. It would prefer a bland mix of "moderates," who would pass the budget on time and see to it that California's "business climate" took primacy over other concerns.

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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:31 PM
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4. Who is funding this?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:45 PM
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5. List of donors here:
http://www.yeson60.com/update0909.html

Insurance Co and Financial Institutions

Countrywide Home Loans
$350,000

American Insurance Assoc.
$ 50,000

Mercury General
$ 50,000

American International Group
$ 25,000

Zenith Insurance Company
$ 25,000

Pacific Life
$ 15,000

Blue Cross of California
$ 10,000

Blue Shield of California
$ 10,000

Total
$535,000


Others

Dole Food Company
$100,000

John T. Walton (Walmart)
$250,000

Eli Broad (AIG Retirement)
$100,000

Haim Saban
$ 50,000

Total
$500,000



Political Players

Becky Morgan (former State Senator)
$250,000

Richard Riordan
$100,000

Total
$350,000

 
Real Estate and Development

Castle & Cooke
$100,000

KB Homes
$ 25,000

Irvine Company
$ 10,000

Granite Construction
$ 5,000

Newhall Land and Farming Co.
$ 5,000

Total
$145,000
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:50 PM
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6. Thanks, so it looks like a freeper effort to steal some...
... of the electoral count. Is that right? Since Calif is consistently Dem, their only hope is to get some of them since they can't get them all.
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Padme Amidala Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 02:59 PM
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12. These are Republican owned organizations
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Padme Amidala Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 02:58 PM
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11. The Republicans. The L.A. Weekly pointed out why it's bad.
The L.A. Weekly endorsed Democrats so their on our side.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:52 AM
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7. I voted No
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:47 AM
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8. Louisiana has something like Prop 62
Edited on Sat Oct-23-04 01:00 AM by petronius
and it seemed to work well when I lived there. The big objection I have to the CA initiative (and the LA system) is the limit of the two top candidates only for the runoff. I would prefer it if the number of candidates it took to add up to 50% of the vote went on to the runoff, whether that was one or a dozen.

I don't think the problem you describe would apply to Prop 62 - in an open primary all the candidates are directly competing against one another, so a person who votes for the other party candidate reduces his own candidates chances...

(Edited because I described LAs system as being the way I wanted it to be, not the way it really is...)
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 02:29 AM
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9. Sure...
Let's model ourselves after Louisiana. One of the most historically corrupt political systems in the U.S.

I would prefer that ALL candidates from ALL political parties run in the ACTUAL election.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 07:49 AM
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10. Previous story and discussion:
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