Any Californians wonder if Schwartzenegger is in office legitimately?

[Paligal]

I have wondered several times, as I have delved more into this fraud stuff, whether or not Arnold Schwartzenneger could possibly have gotten into office via fraud. I am from Marin County, California, which is rather liberal, so assumed that the fact that I didn't know one single person who voted for him was due to the fact that most of my friends are here or in Los Angeles. But everyone and all the papers treated it as kind of a joke when he ran. I have to say I was shocked when he won.

Now the wheels are turning in my head. Does anyone else have these niggly doubts in California? Should we look back into that election, or am I way off base here?

[evolvenow]

1. Yes, wasn't Bustamante (sp?) expected to win?

The op-scan machines did not inspire any confidence either.

[rinsd]

35. No....

Bustamante was behind in the polls for the last few weeks before the election.

[Brundle_Fly]

2. His deal was...

We give you governator job, you give us GOP convention and a campaign speech.

[alittlelark]

3. He may have won fairly

...and I am embarrased by that. Star Power works, he had HUGE support among 18-40 year old men.

I doubt he will remain another term - he is doing some foul shit out here.

[cornermouse]

4. I agree. A better question might be

"How long will he last in office?" He seems to have a gift for opening his mouth and inserting his foot.

[Paligal]

9. He's disgusting

I actually grew up in L.A., and one of my close friends lived next door to him, so we unfortunately got to see a lot of the real him . He's extremely arrogant. Nearly got killed by his a**hole driving in that Hummer more than once. All those sexual harrassment accusations are true, I have no doubt, if my friend as a 17(!) year old was telling us the truth about his comments to her from time to time, and I personally am certain she was. I can't believe he is our governor. They are all disgusting frauds, putting on a "moral values" front and duping American Christians who were just used outright in their gullibility, while they (the new regime)are the slimiest, dirtiest scumbags on the planet. I have no doubt about their capabilities to steal an election. And they were gunning for Arnold, and he is just like them, no matter what people think of him as being a moderate. He's not. Already he's refusing to disclose his tax returns this year, after having done so last year like all governors have in the past. Why? Why not now? What does he suddenly have to hide?

Filth and sleaze. The lot of them. Their fraud goes deeper than we even know, I'm sure.

[ailsagirl]

41. Absolutely

I'm just surprised that he got a Kennedy to marry him.

I always thought of them as dyed-in-the-wool Dems...

[laheina]

19. Let's hope!

He seems to have a handle on the PR, and he lies as bad as *. We need to let everybody know the crap that he does, so that he doesn't move to take a senate seat -- or worse!

[rinsd]

36. I would tend to agree...

Pre-election and exit polls were pretty close to the final tally.

[Andromeda]

5. Schwarzenegger is where he is because of ...

political tricks and I was stunned that the Repugs used an obscure law that had never been used to overturn a legitimate election.

I will never accept Arnold as legitimate and if we had, had a strong Democratic candidate running to replace Gray Davis we might have been able to hang onto the governorship.

[Silver Gaia]

8. The Boobingrabber?

NEVER will I accept him as my governor! And YES, I think there was fraud involved. I was watching the county-by-county count online that night and it all looked mighty strange to me... I can't recall enough about anything specific that I could put my finger on right now and cite. But I do remember that it just didn't look right to me.

[nickdw]

13. marin mentioned in BBV, other press

On: http://www.scoop.co.nz/BlackBoxVoting/bbv_chapter-11.pdf

I found:

"If the symptom of a corrupted memory card was arbitrary vote-changing, as explained to the media in Volusia County, we'd be in real trouble -- according to Diebold sales representative Steve Knecht in an internal memo dated March 24, 2000, "Cards were corrupted throughout California at a rate exceeding our normal 1 in 100 that we've been seeing. Marin is now up to 8 cards corrupted out of 114." He reports a number of problems that must have had election officials pulling their hair out. ."

Also in this report: mention of private individuals not elections officials uploading end-of-day elections summaries via cell phone modem technology.

[Wabbajack]

21. Davis

should've resigned when it became clear the recall has enough petition signatures.

I doubt the crapinator will be beaten in 06, people are stupid.

[mitchtv]

32. Strong Democratic candidate to replace Davis?????

Democratic traitors got us into this mess . You know ones like Loretta Sanchez/cruz Bustamante and Bill Lockyer. He was elected by the Walmart /Mcdonalds /taco Bell crowd- Kind of nice that he vetoed the raise in minmum wage bill

[ailsagirl]

42. Yes-- Ken Lay figured prominently, I read...

The Hole-in-the-Head Gang certainly is far-reaching...

[zann725]

6. I've considered it too.

I didn't vote for him, and don't know anyone who did. All I recall was a MAJOR 'spin' (Rove-like, come to think of it) about how Gray Davis had to 'go.' Which seemed illogical since he was a well-liked Governor by most I know.

I don't trust Ahnald. I don't like many of his statements, and proposed new policies...including changing the Constitution so he can be Prez. I was at Starbucks the other day, and there was a flyer right on the counter where they never advertise anything BUT Starbucks...promoting a seminar that Arnold & Maria were conducting last weekend in Orange County on "family values." I wanted to puke!

Other threads here have examined Presidential results in California, and suspect fraud. Maybe you can track them down,and suggest they look at CA Gov. race too. Sounds good to me!

[Paligal]

10. I already did send n e-mail to the CA action DUers n/t

[laheina]

20. Family values!?

The Boobengrabber and his anorexic wife? Is that like his conference on working women? That was a huge joke.

[VTGold]

7. Not likely legit - Bev Harris just won a settlement from Diebold in..

California. It was proven they lied about the security of their GEMS tabulator (gasp) and Bev had documented proof.

$2.3 million settlement I believe.

The case was just settled recently - don't remember when it was filed but probably in the Governator time frame.

[Paligal]

11. Hmmm... Maybe I should delve deeper

Didn't know that about Bev and a CA lawsuit.

[evolvenow]

16. How convenient! I noticed it was barely in the news, after the Stealection

H:\False Claims\Diebold\Proposed Settlement-Final (11-10-04).wpd
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... DIEBOLD, INCORPORATED (“DIEBOLD”) and DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS, INC ... Street, 9 th
Floor Oakland, CA 94612 ... functionality description ; ...
verifiedvoting.org/downloads/ Proposed%20Settlement-Final%20(11-10-04).pdf - Similar pages

[LeftyMom]

33. BBV is objecting to the settlement

The state and Diebold negotiated a potential settlement but BBV wants to get discovery and go to trial, at least according to to the BBVer who spoke at the 51 Capitol March rally today.

Please note, I have no clue how true this is and encourage you to use skepticism in delaing with the bevbots, but this was the story as of noonish today.

[sepia_steel]

12. I miss Marin

Hi, Paligal. I lived in San Anselmo but moved to OC 5 months ago. I miss it there! I'll be back there in a year or two, I'm sure.

I was STUNNED when Ahhnold won. I don't know anyone there who voted for him. I know I didn't. He f*cking disgusts me.

[Paligal]

15. I know.

I am dismayed that Vanity Fair chose to feature him this month. Almost puked when I got my subscription. He's slimy. I have many a story, as I saw him in action growing up. He's a pig. Really. Everything those women said is true, and worse, I'm sure. Maria Shriver is an idiot, either playing dumb or just really is dumb.

Come back to Marin! OC is no place for a lib! Poor you!

[not fooled]

44. can you imagine...

if a dem had been accused (with less proof) of 1/10 of what is said about the nazinator?

"He's slimy. I have many a story, as I saw him in action growing up. He's a pig. Really. Everything those women said is true, and worse, I'm sure."

yet because he's a 'puke, it's as if nothing happened. Disgusting hypocrites!

[Niche]

14. No strong replacement vote for Davis.

the election was called 15 - 30 minutes after polls closed that was a red flag but there wasn't a strong candidate on the ticket - no strong voter base on any side, many cadidates - so i think he slipped through and got the vote. don't like him, didn't vote for him. it's a joke.

[jamboi]

17. Yes, I do. Madsen believes the recall election may b warm up for 2004, as

he the 2003 KY Gov. Race. If we scrutized the data we might find some suprises.

[laheina]

18. If there are strong questions about 2002, and there are,

then why wouldn't they use such capabilities in 2003? I think that you are right.

This thing is probably much worse than we thought.

[Rene]

22. I think Georgia-2002 was entirely corrupt and rigged.

20 Diebold techs fanned out and altered 22000 machines the week before the election....unbenownst to any election official and never tested. They installed a patch titled rob_Georgia.
When it was found out....the tracks couldn't be traced.

[laheina]

23. The infamous patch

where the programmer supposedly named it after himself, but managed to capitalize Georgia but not his name -- besides being in violation of the camel back convention.

Yup. I think that a lot more stuff is going to get dredged up in coming months.

[ISUGRADIA]

24. Marin County wasn't exactly one of Ahnold's strongholds

so your comment about not knowing anyone who voted for him is not surprising. It's kind of like the remark by the Manhatten liberal who wondered how Nixon won when no one he knew had voted for him. Bustamante was a TERRIBLE candidate with zero charisma. Davis hoped to force the issue by keeping out any Dem alternative candidate and Cruz came in at the last moment. The final results did not surprise me. You got to give people a legitamate alternative.

Most people still do not pay attention to politics except for a few glances at commercials or the evening news. Personality can sway people rather easily, I'm afraid.

[trudyco]

25. 20 Diebold techs put in a patch

WOnder where they are now?

I also wonder if Maria Shriver is psychologically abused. That anorexia and quietness around her other half reminds me of Princess Di.

Trudyco

[shelley806]

30. This is the second post referring to Maria's alleged anorexia. Is it

true, or just speculation? I'm thin myself, and I've had the accusation of anorexia thrown at me, unjustly, by usually overweight women. So is this fact or speculation about anorexia? I must confess that I have also wondered. She really does look unhealthily thin...like a concentration camp victim.

[LeftyMom]

34. I don't know

In a country where damned near everybody's overweight people of relatively normal weight tend to look thin by comparison. She looks rather unhealthy, but that could be because one generally sees her in settings lit and stage managed to make her orangeish 'rioded husband look less like a freak. I suspect there may be an underlying health issue, her skin looks very thin and her makeup sits on it in a wierd way. It reminds of how my Grandmother looked in the eariest stages of her cancer, but it could be stress or menopause or just aging badly that has lent her that skeletor look.

PS I still get the accusations of anorexia and I'm actually a bit overweight at this point in my life.

[ailsagirl]

43. A close friend of mine is a therapist and...

she mentioned that the talk in their group is that Dub's wife exhibits all the classic signs of a psychologically abused woman...

Wouldn't surprise me

So why not Maria

[Last Lemming]

26. A few thoughts from South Carolina

Everyone around here thinks he's just the coolist thing, of course
What scared me about him though was when he spoke at a rally for Bush
Bush and his wife had moved to the back and Schwartz was at the podium, staring down at what must have been a very large and enthusiastic crowd. He held his arms out and drank it all in and you could see it in his face: Yes, I was meant for this...

Two other notes--he doesn't publish his daily calender as have previous governors. appearantly (sp) whoever he meets with on government time is nobody's business but his . The Cheney Deal...

Also, has anyone else noticed that another character in the background of all these stories,is Warren Buffett? He's a special adviser to Schwartz. Didn't he also hold a "golf function" on a military base during that pesky 9/11 business? Might Buffett be hiding some "world domination" thoughts behind that populist front . .

Just a thought

[berni_mccoy]

27. The plan to get a Republican Governer in CA has been in the works

For a long time. Republicans see gaining slow, careful control of CA as a way to win over the monster 55 electoral votes and keep Democrats from power for a long time.

Consider this:

It is known, even before the Davis scandal happened, that Schwartzenegger met with Enron, a main energy supplier to CA.

It is known now that Enron was illegally redirecting energy supply from CA to other consumers and artificially increasing the cost of energy to CA. This had a impact on causing the energy crisis in CA.

After the energy crisis, it was easy to get people to start examining Davis under a microscope... when things didn't add up, it appeared that he was more responsible for the energy crisis in CA than he really was. This was well timed with an economic down turn in CA (not to mention a dramatic increase in offshore outsourcing and a dramatic influx of illegal immigrant workers). He had no explanation to give either on any of it either and there was no time for his administration to conduct a proper investigation into the Enron issues because the republicans were already screaming (and getting the population to echo) to remove him from office.

Arnold puts in his candidacy, and he's the perfect manchurian candidate since his personal and moral views (stem cell, abortion, gays, immigration) align with the majority of Californians (and republicans know they could not run a republican like * there). However, Arnold is still very much a corporate republican cog... big-biz, tax-cuts for the wealthy instead of social programs to help the poor, etc.

I don't think Arnold is the GOP's favorite candidate (he's countered the Bush admin *and* he's married to Shriver). I expect that once the republican machine has gained control of CA, Arnold is out of there (by hook or crook) and a more traditional "moral" republican is annointed. When this happens, and at this point it probably will, Californians and the rest of the country, will be dominated by republicans for decades. We will truly be screwed with a 1-party system. Think about what will happen to Hollywood with a republican like Bush in control... can we say Foxwood? :scared:

[not fooled]

45. yep, as soon as they get Ahnuld to ram thru redistricting...

...arnie is the perfect front man to make 'puke power grab of redistricting look less threatening. once they get control of the state leg, they can strengthen their hold on power & the election machinery. then it's CA the 'puke stronghold. Time to get out!

[brindis_desala]

28. That election smelled

It was all too pat. Enron blows up California while Arnold is meeting with Warren Buffet and Ken Lay. The strange thing is that Davis' own appointee may have done him in. From Newsmax!:

Judge Raymond M. Cadei of the Sacramento Superior Court was appointed by former Gov. Gray Davis in May 2002. On Wednesday, Feb. 18, Cadei refused to order new security measures for touch-screen machines scheduled to be installed in San Diego and several other counties for the March 2 election.
According to the San Diego Union Tribune, "Citizens from four counties requested a temporary restraining order in Sacramento County Superior Court. They asked that up to 18 counties using machines made by Ohio-based Diebold Election Systems add more safeguards to protect them against hackers." Cadei said no.

A copy of the lawsuit can be viewed at www.blackboxvoting.org/dieboldlawsuit.pdf on the Tribune's Web site.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/23/104125.shtml

[Slit Skirt]

29. Alex Jones is suppose to be putting out commercials

exposing AAArnold....I only heard the end of his show the other day...but someone wanted to donate money to Alex Jones, and he said no do not send me money....but if you want to donate to the cause of exposing arnold s. we are accepting donations to get the commercials on the air!

does anybody out there know what is in the works?

[Paligal]

31. Hmm...my thread got moved by "rules is rules"

Seems rather bureaucratic and non-sensical, since the whole forum for election 2004 deals with election fraud, and I am trying to tie the Schwartzenegger election to this one and get the CA investigation DUers to investigate it along with this one while they are at it anyway. They won't read this thread in this forum, so there's no point in putting it here. But apparently I should have titled it "Does anyone wonder if Arnold is in office legitimately JUST LIKE WE WONDER ABOUT THE 2004 ELECTIONS"? More wordy and somewhat redundant, but then I wouldn't be upsetting the "rules is rules" people. Anyway. This topic is actually about election fraud. Not sure if you guys cover that topic here, but I am going back to the election forum, so...

[slackmaster]

37. I don't know anyone in LA who voted for him either

Most of my friends in Los Angeles work in the movie industry, and they know too much about what kind of person Arnold is in real life.

I know people who have worked on movies with him. He's pretty disgusting in person, e.g. talks openly about his sexual practices over lunch.

OTOH I know many, many people here in San Diego who voted for him.

[yurbud]

38. Arnold's confidence in initiatives

and the recall outcome should say something. He started acting like he had already won weeks before the election.

Arnold is their golden boy, if not for 2008, for 2012 when their racism and homophobia will play with few of the younger voters coming of age between now and then.

[jdots]

39. Wieder Pupublishing/exercize gear is the money train

they brought the young Ahhnold to America and set it up from the muscle head contests to the movies then the jump to politics.Arny has lots of dough but the Wieder connection is big and bad.A muscle bound stupid country,what more could fascists ask for ? I have never met anyone who has worked with him in films from kraft service to celebrity actors that have had anything nice to say about the big lug.Who knows what is up with his ex democrat wife,brain damage maybe .

[Sequoia]

40. Well, I thought the same because it's pretty easy

to have an address in California for voting purposes. These guy's plans are to redistrict the state and get it out of democrats hands. These days, it seems if you're a moron you have a good chance of being the "leader" anywhere.