If Shelley quits, we'll lose CA: GUARANTEED

[genius]

We didn't lose Ohio or Florida in the last election. But they had the kind of person who will replace Shelley instead of Shelley. With Arnold's Harris or Blackwell style replacement for Shelley, we will lose the re-districting proposition, resulting in a Republican-controlled California delegation and then we will lose the 06 elections, including the Senate (regardless of who we run). If Shelley quits, it's over folks. I haven't been wrong on a prediction yet.

[Dookus]

1. you'll be wrong on this one

seriously.... come on.

[genius]

3. I wasn't wrong about November 2nd or about the recall. I'm always right.

I predicted the exact outcome of November 2nd. Shelley must stay.

[Dookus]

8. then tell me who'll win the Super Bowl

so I can place a bet.

[EFerrari]

17. lol! genius is right. CA is history. Watch. n/t

[bobweaver]

2. This has RW smear written all over it. Just like they did to Rose Bird.

[genius]

5. Did you know that Rose supportted the death penalty.

The ads against her were all lies. I'm an opponent of the death penalty. But Rose kept saying that, if a Constitutional death penalty statute were passed, she'd back it.

[Pam-Moby]

4. Well I hope you are wrong on this prediction this time..n/t

[Kerrytravelers]

6. What the hell is happening in this county?

[rwenos]

7. You're Superstitious

But I think you're off the mark. Shelley's already shot himself in the foot. He'll serve out his term but he's dead as a candidate for Governor or U.S. Senate.

Angelides doesn't look like a winner either. Schwarzwald runs again, is re-elected, and the Dem's hold the other statewide offices.

I don't see a Republican who can survive the RW primary and beat John Garamendi or Steve Westley -- assuming Diane retires.

You know something we don't?

[genius]

9. Angelides is the best but that doesn't help. We need to run a star for gov

That's the only way we are going to defeat Arnold. I wish Phil would run for state chairman. He'd be a thousand times better than Torres. Steve Westley almost lost last time. It was very close. In Orange County, the outcome of one race in the primary was changed because of computer problems (according to the Registrar of Voters). Shelley did a lot of work behind the scenes to keep the G.E. as fair as possible. There was a lot of vote-rigging he prevented through his precautions. There will be no one to do that in 06 if Arnold appoints a vote-rigging replacement. Elections are easy to rig. I could do it if I were in the right place at the right time.

Oh, it's not superstitious. It's logically obvious stuff that is really clear to those of us who are watching and investigating what this is really all about.

[rwenos]

10. Not Sure I Get You

Are you saying that holding the Secretary of State's office is the key, because of voting fraud in OC?

I'm not challenging you. Just haven't heard that yet. What are you hearing about OC?

[genius]

14. After what happened in the primary, Shelley guaranteed paper ballots

in the General Election as a condition of re-certifying the machines. In OC they later tried an end run around the agreement by not telling people of their right to vote on paper. Shelley was aware of the diebod tabulater problem and did checks of results between the polling places and the tabulating centers. The primary results, which took place before this didn't change but could have ben repeated again and again in the genearal election if not for Shelley.

[MontecitoDem]

22. Even w/o "vote-tampering"

we are going to have to be VERY lucky to defeat Arnold. We already have begun our ground campaign in SB county and we plan to beat him here. But statewide? unlikely.

[JunkYardDogg]

24. Is there a Progressive Group Yet in S.B.?

We have started one in Ventura
I spoke last nite about the E-Vote Equipment and Rigged Election- the response was great-
If there is a Progressive Group in S.B.- we need to know to refer people to it-the Traditional Dem Clubs can't get the job done

[MontecitoDem]

25. Well,

We have a number of groups going here. The Democratic Service Club kicked ass here for the election - we won in Santa Barbara for every endorsed candidate - staffed more than 70 polling places with get out the vote activists on election day, delivered more than 30,000 doorhangers, and ended up with almost 1000 active volunteers!

So I have to disagree that the dems can't do it.

But there is also a group of us who formed the Santa Barbara Progressive Coalition last March from mainly the supporters of anti-war dem primary candidates. Since then many new folks have joined, including greens, Kerry supporters, etc. We meet monthly. Mostly the group talks about national issues and we have panel discussions. Little action locally comes out of it, but it is a great way for folks from various issue-oriented groups to let progressives know about them. Our meeting next week is small-group work on Lakoff.

We progressives have been getting very involved in the dem clubs and that is working very well. I've heard great things about the Ventura Progressives, seen your website and all. Looking forward to working more with you all in the future! (Especially for 2006!!)

[JunkYardDogg]

26. PM me with the meeting site

We'll hook up
I'll pass this on to the folks who formed our group and I'll see
who else wants to go
We have a small thread started on this forum section
so far, there are only 5 postings
I have encountered some people in S.B. plus you should be able to get some of the KCSB Political DJ's to announce it,

I have talked to some of them on the phone- we have to organize on campus there

[MontecitoDem]

27. Done!

Glad to make a connection here on DU!


(the campus dems usually send a few folks to the prog coalition meetings.)

[ScottinSoCal]

32. Progressive group in Ventura?

You wrote:
>We have started one in Ventura (progressive group)

I've tried to send you a private e-mail and it just gives me an error page (I don't have enough posts under my belt).

I'd be very interested in the Ventura progressive group. We moved down here from SB after we sold our place up there and I'm sick about the number of Bush 2004 stickers I saw in our neighborhood running up to November.

[EFerrari]

11. Exact.ly. WAKE UP and SMELL THE COFFEE! nt

[EFerrari]

12. We have to SUPPORT this man

The whole country is WATCHING this.

Is he a jerk? We don't KNOW!

All we know for sure is, he decertified DIEBOLD.

You want your vote to count in California? Do NOT allow Ahnold to appoint a Diebold Republican.

[yurbud]

13. for those who want Shelley out, what do you think will happen NEXT?

Arnold is a product of the far right machine and deeply tied to Bush and the same big money donors.

Do you honestly think he WON'T do what they have done whenever they get their hands on that office.

Washington state was the only exception, and it sounds like that guy is getting crap from the GOP for doing his job fairly.

[JunkYardDogg]

15. Dems are Grooming Bustamonte's Son for this Job

On Election Day, at the district office, of Lois Capps, which I was working, in Oxnard, Crux Bustamonte and Nava came by at lunch time.
I cornered Bustamonte (I'm the last person you would want to be stuck with) and I mentioned two things to him.
1. I told him how lucky Calif was to have Shelley fighting the E-Vote rigging machines and trying to keep California's election clean
and
2. How Corrupt and insidious are the E-Voting Machines ( with some details provided)
Bustamonte didn't want to hear anything about what I was talking about- I thought he was going to run out of the office when I mentioned Shelley's name and he was looking for a Straight Jacket
and Butterfly net for me when I talked about the E-Voting machines.
Later, I found out that they are grooming Bustamonte's son for Shelley's job.
If Junior has as much concern for the sanctity of Voting as his father, we are indeed in DEEP SHIT!!!!

[genius]

16. Arnold appoints the replacement. This shows Torres's has lost it.

If he thinks a voter rigger appointed by Arnold will let Bustamonte's son take his job away in 06, it will never happen.

[JunkYardDogg]

18. You have a Good point

Who is Torres?
Shelley is the only Official in the U.S. who took Diebold on
If he goes, we are doomed
You REALLY had to see Bustamonte's reaction to what I was saying
It seems like a typical Dem self Destructive behavior pattern
The big problem, Nationwide, is that nobody wants to "Taint" themselves by raising the E-vote rigging issue, they are more afraid of being labeled an X-Files Conspiracy Theorist Loon than they are
of the very Foundation of the Democratic Process being Destroyed
We should NOT support ANY Dem candidate who does not address this issue-that's why we must organize.
I am going to a "Progressive" meeting tonite (now) in Camarillo of angst ridden Liberals. They had their first meeting about 6 weeks ago. I brought up the E-vote issue and the Ohio/Arnebeck fight, and I said this should be important to the local group. The guy running the meeting said that it was a fight for other groups, not for this local group.
Pathetic Wusses.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Arnold 's choice must be approved by the State Senate

Which party controls the State Senate?

[JunkYardDogg]

20. We still have the same Problem

No Politician wants to be tainted as a Conspiracy Theorist
It is up to us to organize, become active in local Progressive groups and FORCE E-Voting Rigging into their Politics
Last nite, at the Ventura County Progressive meeting, their 2nd meeting, it was fairly non-dissident oriented, until I spoke. I spoke about the E-voting problem and organizing, and I got an OVERWHELMING Positive response- and yes this is regarded as the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE to fight, NOW
SO we all have to get active- I think that we can bring this out
I talked about the Shelley situation.

[mitchtv]

23. dems control so what

they will crumble when they see their options, Arnold will call them names and they'll run away crying. Burton is gone. We need Willie Brown in the assembly or Senate

[Liberty Belle]

30. Dems by a narrow margin.

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. 25-15 isn't that norrow of a margin

[jfern]

29. Bustamonte Jr. had better be better at winning elections

than his daddy

[musette_sf]

31. If Diebold had never gotten into CA

his daddy would be Governor now.

[MontecitoDem]

21. We may ... that's true

but if a Republican did what Shelley has been accused of, (and I have read some of the supporting documents coming from bipartisan committees - there are many facts supporting the allegation that he used HAVA funds to support the dems), we'd be screaming bloddy murder to have him impeached.

He should have resigned already. Shelley put us in a terrible position here. This sucks.

We need to make sure our state legislators are ALL OVER any decisions made by the next Sec of State. We need to expand our CDP Protect, Promote the Vote program. We need to write lots of ltte to alert voters to the importance of paper ballots and vote protection. There are things we can do, and we will. But Shelley is gone, and I believe he should be.

[mitchtv]

28. not at least til after the May gerrymander Sp Election

or Can we fly in Glenda Hood to help?

[Sequoia]

34. It's part of the plan, that's why Nazi boy is our Governor

It's his intention to bring our great state to her knees (yes he likes that sort of thing), and sell her soul to the destructive Republican hate machine. However, Ahnold is too stupid to think of how to proceed with the plan, he's just another puppet kow-towing to special interests.