Keyes rejects IL votes

[Nexus7]

Obama pulled a Kerry on Keyes tonight; you never saw a candidate more flustered than Alain tonight. While this showed in his rambling bible-thumping answers, to his credit, Keyes didn't distort his face (unlike his maximum leader *), but he did roll out a ghastly grimace/smile at the end of his answers. So caught up was he in his chesire cat impression, that he forgot that he was making a closing statement, choosing instead to devote his last 2 minutes to another pointless excursion into moral decay, and even forgot to ask people to vote for him. And given his expressions of disgust for the media and even the debate questioners, one doubts that any of his surreal performance will be covered charitably (except in the IL Leader).

We were coming home from the debate "party" at Obama HQ, and a woman actually stopped by and asked for signs, stickers, etc. and expressed joy that Obama won. Real life meets politics! In our lifetime!

[Fear]

1. Keys is really spooky. Obama dit quite well, allthough I have seen him

do a lot better. He comes over as a respectable man and has some really good things to say.

[goclark]

2. It's hard to stay motivated

when you are debating a finished fool.

Just shows that Obama could beatg Keyes with his hands behind his back and his lips barely moving.

Go Obama GO GO GO!

[mopinko]

3. a well oiled nutter

thats what he looked like to me. like a crazy windup toy, talking nonsense. just an amazing and frightening performance.

[chicagojoe]

4. mopinko-- I saw this car on the street one day. Small world.

[mopinko]

6. i've been driving a lot

when it starts to get to me, i go out and drive. i have always found driving to be very relaxing and soothing. this car especially.
if you saw the car you are now entitled to the free button-



if you pm me an addy, i will stick one in the mail.

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. Oh man, driving around here doesn't help at all!

I was in Aurora a couple of days ago and the Keyes people have been out BIG TIME planting signs all over the place. I saw a TOTAL of three Obama signs and maybe four Kerry signs. I was stunned! Keyes was all over the place! Same with Naperville! It's sickening to say the least. :cry: :cry: :cry:

[barb162]

9. tell me about it...I live in the area and one house about a block away

has one sign and it is a Keyes sign. Sick.

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. Last week I drove on Oswego Road and

almost cried. We were going over to Edwards for some blood tests and my husband asked me, "Why so quiet?" All I could say was, "fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen..." while pointing at them.

I'm also disappointed that Anderson hasn't gotten more support. I know it's a really tough race against Biggert, but damn! Just damn damn damn!!!

[barb162]

12. I am extremely close to that street , yeah, I know what you mean

I've met Anderson and of course I am voting to her. I have written more letters to Biggert over the years (Iraq, her place on the ethics committee investigating Delay, etc ) and never get a response of course. Biggert marches in lockstep to Bush. She is just terrible IMHO.

[mopinko]

17. i will post about my day in dupage

tomorrow. i am tired now. big fun, tho. saw zamora, he was great.

[kwolf68]

5. I saw it

I always like to hear closing remarks. THe last question about saying something you admire about your opponent.

Keyes came off with his bullshit media elite comment...he could barely find anything good to say about Obama.

Obama then made some very respectful comments about Lord Dingbat. It showed the class of Obama v. Keye_to_the_loony_bin

[Peanut Gallery]

7. Obama's comment about Keyes' singing voice was nice,

and I think intended to lighten the moment. The camera was on both of them at that point and I noticed that Keyes didn't even acknowledge the compliment.

As an aside, I still don't understand the Illinois GOP reasoning behind the decision to run Keyes. I have for the most part avoided listening to him because I don't really care what he has to say. Now that I've heard him in two of the debates with Obama, any support for his candidacy is even more puzzling.

Keyes is nothing but a religious bigot. He is unabashed in asserting that God speaks through him and that his brand of morality is far superior to anyone else's, so much so that it should become a government mandate. He continually repeats the crazy notion that separation of church and state is nowhere in the Consitution. Simply put, the guy is a theocrat.

[barb162]

10. there was one thing I felt Keyes did well and that was he

talked against the free trade agreements and how they are hurting this country. Obama replied in what I considered a shallow manner that he would contest the parts of the trade agreements that aren't being followed. Keyes was actually taking a democratic stance there (that these deals are hurting the American worker and the economy) and Obama was sounding like a republican. Keyes was actually far more knowledgeable on the subject through his UN experience and working on some of these deals.Keyes basically had the guts to say we should get rid of these deals if they aren't working to our benefit. Keyes basically was talking "fair" trade versus "free" trade/ rampant foreign dumping, etc.

Other than that, though, when Keyes starts playing high priest, I gotta shake my head and tune out.

[Nexus7]

13. I didn't see it that way...

I thought Keyes' long-winded (as usual) answer on trade was designed to hide the fact that he had no solutions. What is he going to do? Everybody knows jobs have gone abroad, and this shows no signs of stopping. I can name 7 specific problems with the city, so what? In fact, Keyes rarely offered solutions,proposals, and the like. He was completely negative all the way, not to mention his obscene claim to morality and divinity.

On the other hand, Obama went to lengths to answer questions in the form of proposals, solutions, or actual experiences of solutions. He even tied issues together, much like JK in the presidential debates. On trade, he was very specific; he said firstly that it cannot be reversed, it is a global economy. He talked about closing corporate tax loopholes, and the equivalent incentives to move jobs abroad (leveling the playing field). He spent most of his air-time on education and health insurance, which is directly related to getting competitive. He even characteized Keyes position for him - tariffs. Free trade became an issue during Clinton's term because the repubs needed something that would stick unlike everything else they tried. But Clinton's terms were the best for the economy ever. I don't expect Obama or JK to run away from that, unlike Gore.

Moreover, Keyes made a weird reference to unions, he seemed to imply unions were good, so the moron was flustered enough to forget his party line. Not that with their abortive attempt at steel tariffs, the admin really has a coherent party line.

Finally I think you have some mental image of what Keyes is supposed to be, probably from the media's (incompetent as usual) coverage. Keyes was neither knowledgeable nor a great orator. His long tirades eventually boiled down to guns, God, and gays. I never saw a man use so many words to say so little (as someone said). His voice was strident and grating, he was a chore to listen to. He didn't make any attempt at logic, save his tortured detour about incest (which Obama disposed of in one short sentence).

[barb162]

14. "I think you have some mental image of what Keyes is ...."

You are completely wrong. I see him for what he is and he is a religious zealot who wants to get religion into secular government. The last thing this country needs.

We can reverse globalism by instituting some protectionism laws of vital industries and getting manufacturing back here. I am a fair trade type and think free trade has hurt this country tremendously with lost industries and lost jobs.

[Nexus7]

15. And Obama adressed that viewpoint also...

Obama said our industries are heavily export-oriented. The first thing protectionism is going to do is have a bunch of lawsuits slapped upon us in GATT. Look at the steel fiasco, how many new steel jobs did that create? Zero. And I for one don't want a steel plant in my neighborhood, because this admin is going to allow them to spew soot all over my yard and kill my lungs, but they still are never going to be competitive with Japan or Germany or China, because they either won't have to volume, or the quality; because they're going to be driven by one thing only - what the Wall Street moron analysts think of their prospects at the end of each quarter, unlike other countries which actually give engineering a chance. There is no regulation in this country to acually encourage hi-tech as an underlying economic force, and you see Obama and JK specifically address this. BUt as for that nice call center job, forget it, not Keyes nor some far left or far right messiah is going to bring that one back.

[barb162]

16. rather than talk about the most highly polluting heavy industries

I am talking about hundreds of thousands of highly educated software people out of jobs because we are shipping those positions to India and elsewhere. I am talking of a mix of light and heavy manufacturing, getting textiles back here, more car making back here,etc., so that people here can work instead of getting unemployment checks and when that runs out, they are doing minimum wage jobs or going bankrupt.

I think Keyes addressed it far more carefully than Obama. Bush addresses it by punting to another topic. Kerry addresses it in a fashion by talking about tax incentives and breaks most often. I think we have to get rid of some of these free trade agreements or review them and tighten them up. We can't compete with 3 buck a day people in Asia or else we will end up the same way. We need regulation on far more than high tech.