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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 06:19 PM
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Debra Danberg letter on Bob Gammage
A friend sent me a copy of a letter purporting to be from Debra Danberg. I looked on Gammage's site and googled Danberg, but could not find a copy of the letter on line ANYWHERE! I would prefer to link to Gammage's site, but I'll post the letter instead. I have not made up my mind, but I do remember the other letter from some prominent Texas women slamming Gammage. This letter from Danberg is a rebuttal to that letter. I've copied the letter as I received it, including the sender's typo.

Please see the attached documet that tells the truth about Bob Gammage's record on Choice.

Nobody was more surprised than I to recieve the letter, signed by several of my pro-choice friends and a couple of my mentors, endorsing Bell, and undeservedly trashing Gammage.

I was there. I don't need the research to know that the Bell camp is painting a false picture to get support. (This is Bell's usual M. O. - he hires "opposition researchers" via his "best friends" - the Blakemores - Republican operatives who've run campaigns against me and other Dems) to trash fellow Democrats using Republican-style misstatements of the record).

Because I was already involved in the Choice movement - as the Uof H Women's Advocate, as the STATEWIDE Asst. Director of Texans for the ERA, as the top aide to, arguably, the most liberal legislator at that time - before I was elected - and, most importantly, BECAUSE BOB GAMMAGE AND I WERE FRIENDS AND CO-CONSPIRATORS BEFORE HE LEFT THE TX. LEGISLATURE for Congress/judgeships/ etc.
I REMEMBER THE TRUTH !

Bob was part of our "Tuesday Night Club" - a group that met for dinner and brainstorming every Tuesday night during sessions - with such liberal icons as Babe Schwartz, Oscar Mauzy.

The only "bad" votes Bob ever had on choice were the same "bad" votes taken by Al Gore, Dick Gephadt, etc. on the issue of federal funding. And Bob will tell anyone who will listen that he regrets that now, and did then. But all of us on the front lines then were saying that we weren't trying to get federal taxpayers $ to pay for abortions - we were just trying to get / keep our right to choose. This is much like when Glen Maxie bravely encouraged everyone to vote for a horrible anti-gay amendment so that Dems couldn't be so easily targetted next election. And it is much like Sarah Weddington and I and others in leadership on the ERA combatted opposition based on "same sex restrooms" or "our daughters sharing foxholes in combat" by saying then that the ERA had nothing to do with the military, etc. Do we now support equality in the military? Of course. Do we believe that abortion should be treated as any other medical procedure in terms of federal funding, etc.? Of course. And Bob Gammage strongly believes that, too.

PLEASE READ THE ATTACHED WITH AN OPEN MIND. BOB GAMMAGE NOT ONLY WAS PRO-CHOICE BACK WHEN TEXAS HAD THE MOST RESTRICTIVE LAWS IN THE COUNTRY - HE LED THE EFFORT - BEFORE ROE VS. WADE.

In fairness, please send my letter to the same lists that recieved the Bell letter. And in fairness, please keep an open mind and allow Bob to screen equally before any groups or their leaders endorse.

Thank you, - Debra


Debra Danburg
1828 Avenue M
Galveston, 77550

(409) 763-8068
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 06:29 PM
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1. This kind of letter would be well served with some provenance.
I find it a rather scurrilous attack on Chris Bell. I don't know you & I don't know Ms. Danburg, but I do know Chris and frankly I believe he can do a very credible job as our next Governor.
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 06:47 PM
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2. I only posted the letter for two reasons
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 06:56 PM by meg
1. I could not find the letter online anywhere.
2. I was hoping to generate comments about the merits of the letter.

For the record, I have not made up my mind about this race.

On edit: Debra Danburg is a former member of the Texas House. She lost her seat due to the redistricting. Danburg is a liberal. I couldn't find much online. A link about friend of animal award.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 09:08 PM
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4. Fair enough
The tone of my previous response may have been bit snarkier than I had intended, no offense was meant to you, Meg. Any way I have to agree we would be hard pressed to find a more dimwitted occupant than we currently have in the Governor's office.

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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 12:07 AM
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5. I was torn about the first letter
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 12:07 AM by meg
I recognized 5 of the dozen or so women who signed Bell's letter. I admired Danburg's actions while she was in the house. Women's rights are an important consideration for me. So, people I admire wrote competing slamming letters.

I have seen both Bell and Gammage speak. Still haven't made up my mind. Right now, Bell is losing my vote because of his 'no income tax' to finance schools.

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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:49 PM
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6. I received the same letter via e-mail this morning from Gammage's campaign
Debra Danburg was my Representative for ten years when I lived in Montrose and was a strong advocate for campaign finance reform. Great big honkin' liberal. Nice short story about her liberalness here: Danburg: Montrose's Davy. However, I agree with TexasLinda

Personally, I prefer candidates to tell me why they think they deserve my vote, not why the other guy doesn't.


The e-mail also contained the information that follows. Sorry, couldn't find it on the internet or I would have posted a link.

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Bob Gammage & Choice - The Truth - A Woman's Right to Choose

Overview

Bob Gammage has a strong record of supporting a woman's right to choose. In fact, he was pro-choice before there was a choice. In 1971, as a member of the Texas House, Gammage supported legislation, HB 1092, by Representative Sam Coats (D-Dallas) which would have overturned Texas' statute criminalizing abortion.

As a senator in the 1973 legislative session, Bob Gammage almost single-handedly led the fight to extend the right of 18, 19 and 20 year old women to choose an abortion without parental consent, as upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark decision Roe v. Wade. Gammage didn't just introduce legislation to allow the right to choose. In the Senate and in conference committee with House members, Gammage repeatedly held off attempts to kill, dilute, or change the meaning of the legislation against its original intent.

In the Texas Senate, anti-choice conservatives first sought parliamentary tactics to kill the bill, such as moving consideration of the bill until after the session or striking all substantive language. In failing to do this, opponents - led by Sen. Adams -- then tried to mix the drinking age with consent for abortion, forcing senators to support a change in the drinking age if they also wanted to eliminate parental consent. Gammage himself led the charge to defeat this divisive attempt, making the motion against the Adams amendment and holding the necessary votes together to eventually pass the bill from the Senate by a vote of 18-11.

In the House, the fight got tougher. Opponents not only tried to kill the bill, but actually hijacked it by adding hostile language similar to Adams' amendment that would have prohibited women between the ages of 18 and 20 from seeking an abortion without parental consent.

The House sponsor was unable to keep this anti-choice language off of the House version of the bill and Sen. Gammage moved for a conference committee to remove the hostile language. When the conference committee report was filed, the language was the same as that passed by the Senate; all anti-choice wording disappeared. All five of the Senate conferees signed the report. After one more struggle, the House finally passed Gammage's language and the bill was signed into law by the governor.

Senate Bill 123

Senate Bill 123 (63rd Regular Session, 1973) was a simply drafted bill that would extend to 18 year olds all the same rights as those enjoyed by 21 year olds. Section 1 specified that the Act "shall be construed liberally to accomplish that purpose."

The significance of the legislation was obvious. Eighteen year olds would be treated as women for the purposes of the right to choose an abortion, placing in state statute the legal precedent established by the Roe decision on January 22 of that year.

The fact was not lost on the legislature and conservatives fought hard to derail the bill.

Bill History & Votes

As introduced, Senate Bill 123 -- by Gammage, Mauzy, et al. - related to "providing that a person who is at least 18 years of age has all the rights, privileges, and obligations of a person who is 21 years of age."

On February 27, 1973 SB 123 was reported from the Senate Committee on Jurisprudence. However, Chairman Charles Herring neglected, or intentionally, failed to fill in the blanks recommending that the legislation "do," or "do not pass." (Committee vote not printed in bill file.)

On March 1, 1973, Senator Moore moved to set discussion on SB 123 for a time certain, 10 am, June 2, 1973 (end of session), thereby killing the bill. The motion failed on a point of order raised by Sen. Ogg that the motion was not a valid motion as the Senate would not be in session. The President sustained the point of order.

Senator Moore then moved that discussion on the bill occur on May 16, 1973. Senator Ogg made a substitute motion to set discussion at 11:30 am, March 5, 1973. The motion to set the bill for discussion May 16 failed 12-19: Gammage NAY

On March 5, 1973, Senator Adams raised a point of order on further consideration of SB 123, stating that four member objected to consideration of the bill and two members were not on the floor of the senate at the time the motion was made to suspend the rules to consider the bill. The President overruled the point of order, stating that the bill was legally laid before the Senate, since there were only 4 members who objected to its consideration. The last roll call indicated that there were no members absent on the day the bill was brought up.

Senator Creighton moved to amend SB 123 by striking all below the enacting clause. Senator McKnight moved that the Senate stand adjourned until 10:30 the following day. The motion to adjourn failed 14-16: Gammage NAY

Senator Creighton renewed his motion to amend SB 123 by striking the enacting clause. Senator Gammage moved, with unanimous consent, to postpone consideration of the bill until 11:30 am,March 11, 1973.

On March 11, 1973, Senator Gammage moved to table the Creighton amendment. The motion to table prevailed 19-11: Gammage YEA

Senator Gammage moved to table a motion by Senator Adams to amend SB 123 by bundling alcohol with abortion. The amendment would have added new Sections 3 and 4 to the bill to maintain the prohibition on 18 year olds from consuming or selling alcohol and to maintain state laws prohibiting people under 21 from obtaining medical treatment without parental consent. The motion to table the Adams amendment to maintain current law on alcohol consumption and consent to abortion for persons under the age of 21 amendment prevailed 17-13: Gammage YEA

The motion to pass SB 123 to engrossment prevailed 19-11: Gammage YEA

On April 24, 1973, the Senate voted to take up SB 123 on third reading. Sen. Mengden (Gammage's name on the amendment was crossed through) amended Section 2 of the bill with the following language: "It is specifically provided, however, that with respect to property held by a custodian under the Texas Uniform Gifts to Minors Act on effective date here of and the proceeds and reinvestments thereof, the custodian may elect not to have the provisions of this Act apply by so notifying the minor in writing, but such election may be revoked at the election of the custodian."


Senator Adams moved to set SB 123 as Special Order for May 14, 1973. The motion to move discussion of the bill to May 14 failed 12-18.

On April 24, 1973, SB 123, as amended by Sen. Mengden, finally passed the Senate 18-11.

On May 7, 1973, the House State Affairs Committee passed SB 123 13-3 (7 absent) without amendment. The House sponsor was Rep. Joe Allen of Harris.

On May 10, 1973, Rep. Williamson moved on Second Reading to amend SB 123 to maintain the prohibition on 18 year olds from consuming or selling alcohol. Rep. Allen moved to table the amendment. The motion to table the alcohol prohibition amendment failed 65-70.

Rep. Williamson offered a floor substitute to SB 123, adding a new Section 3: "This Act shall not be construed as permitting persons under the age of twenty-one years to purchase alcoholic beverages or to consent to abortion procedures." Rep. G. Jones moved to table the substitute. The motion to table the requirement for consent for abortion for women under the age of 21 prevailed 76-62.

Rep. G. Jones offered the following substitute for the Williamson Amendment, amending SB 123 by adding a new Section 3: "This Act shall not be construed as prohibiting the Legislature from defining crimes or establishing penalties based on age which may treat persons <18-20> differently than those who are <21 years of age>." Rep. Williamson motion to table the G. Jones amendment to allow flexible sentencing for persons under age 21
failed 65-66. The vote to table failed once more in a verification vote, 64-64. Vote No. 8, p. 3387]

Rep. Davis raised a point of order against further consideration of the G. Jones amendment on the grounds that it is not germane to the Williamson amendment. The Speaker overruled the point of order.

Rep. G. Jones' substitute amendment on flexible sentencing for persons under age 21 failed 24-114.

Rep. Williamson amendment to maintain current law on consent failed 63-73. Vote No. 10, p. 3389]

Rep. Williamson re-offered his abortion consent amendment to amend SB 123. Rep. Bock moved that consideration of SB 123 be postponed until May 15. Rep. G. Jones moved to table the Bock motion. The motion to postpone was tabled 72-69. The vote to postpone failed once more on a motion to verify the vote by Rep. Sherman 72-69.

Rep. Williamson offered a substitute for his abortion consent amendment to reflect that the provisions of the bill would maintain the provisions of the penal code, as well as requirements relating to consent for abortion. Rep. G. Jones' motion to table the substitute amendment passed 65-64. The motion to table was upheld in a verification vote 66-62.

Rep. Geiger's motion to table the (original) Williamson amendment failed 64-69. Vote No. 13, p. 3392]

The (original) Williamson amendment to maintain the prohibition on purchasing alcohol by persons under the age of 21 and the requirement for consent before an abortion for women under the age of 21 was adopted 71-63. A motion to table a motion to reconsider the vote on the Williamson amendment by Rep. Williamson passed 68-66.

Rep. Vick moved to amend SB 123 and add language prohibiting "removing the defenses available to who may under other laws" avoid contractual obligations. A point of order raised by Rep. Washington that the amendment was not germane was overruled. Rep. Geiger's motion to table the Vick amendment on contractual obligations carried 104-35. Vote No. 16, p. 3395]

Rep. Geiger's motion to move the previous question and to pass SB 123 to third reading carried 87-50.

SB 123 passed to third reading 107-30, as amended.

A motion to table a motion by Rep. Johnson to reconsider the vote by which SB 123 was passed to third reading passed 72-67.

SB 123 passed on third reading 111-22.

The House granted (only one "nay" recorded: Rep. Cavness) the Senate's request for a conference committee on SB 123 and appointed Reps. Joe Allen, Geiger, Williamson, Weddington and Martin to the committee.

On May 17, 1973, all the Senate conferees - Gammage, Mauzy, Harrington, Andujar and Braecklein - filed the Conference Committee Report on SB 123 in the Senate. The conference language stripped out the Williamson prohibitions on alcohol purchases and abortions without consent and replaced it with language passed by the whole Senate.

While the Senate adopted the CCR for SB 123 , opponents in the House weren't going down without a fight. Only three -- Allen, Geiger and Weddington -- of the conferees in the House had signed the conference committee report. On March 19, 1973, Rep. Williamson raised a point of order against considering the CCR on the grounds that the posting provisions for meetings were not compiled with and that the meeting place was not announced. The speaker overruled the point of order.

Rep. Joe Allen moved to adopt the Conference Committee Report to SB 123. Rep. Williamson made a substitute motion to not adopt the CCR and to appoint a new conference committee. Rep. Geiger's motion to table the Williamson motion to not adopt the CCR passed 70-51.

Rep. Rosson's motion to table the motion to adopt the conference committee report failed 44-80.

The Conference Committee Report to SB 123 was then approved by the House 81-44.


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* (c) 2006 - Pol. Adv. Paid for by Bob Gammage *
* P. O. Box 13226 Austin, TX 78711 *
* Richard D. Arellano, Ph.D, Treasurer *
* Contributions are not tax deductible for income tax purposes.
*
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TexasLinda Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 06:57 PM
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3. I take both letters with a grain of salt
meg mentioned she had not decided re Bell vs Gammage, and she gave the link for the other letter supporting Chris Bell. Personally, I prefer candidates to tell me why they think they deserve my vote, not why the other guy doesn't. (Of course, both letters were from supporters, not the candidates themselves.) I believe that Chris Bell and Bob Gammage are both decent people and good Democrats, and either one of them would make a far better governor than what we've got now. I still haven't decided which one to vote for in the primary.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:54 PM
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7. Could someone please explain
Do you expect the right to abortion to be a significant issue with which our next governor will need to deal? Should we expect pending legislation. We already have one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the USA and I can't imagine anything being done for or against it as long as the religious extremists hold as much sway as they do now.

Why does it matter if one candidate is more pro-choice than the other, they are both pro-choice aren't they? Sounds to me like a distinction without a difference.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:00 PM
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8. Bell threw down the gauntlet when he (via his supporters)
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:02 PM by Texas_Kat
tried to paint Gammage as anti-choice. The repercussions of that 'letter' are still bouncing around Texas Democratic Women's groups.

Debra Danberg has been THE voice of women's rights in Texas for several years. AND was there fighting even back then. Her reputation is second to none. He has whole-heartedly endorsed Bob Gammage. A couple of Bell's letter signers are actually supporting Kinky Friedman.

It was not an issue till Bell made it an issue.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:42 PM
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10. My point is
Women's rights will not be a major issue that the State Government will act on in the next gubernatorial term. It is as irrelevant as Puerto Rican Statehood. Who cares who is the most pro-choice if there will be no legislation for the Governor to veto or sign.

As I see it, the three most important issues are healthcare, education and taxation policies. Why can't we keep on message! Why does anyone want to argue about issues that only matter to the right wingnuts?
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:50 PM
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11. Two ways of looking at it.................
First....abortion rights can come up in issues of healthcare, education and taxation. The wingnuts bring it up everywhere they can and even where they can't, they'll still float it.

Secondly....ask Chris Bell. HE brought it up as a campaign issue.

M
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:24 PM
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13. I respectfully disagree!!!!!!
If Roe v Wade is over turned, then the women's rights issue goes back to the states. We have two new justices. There may be more soon due to the age and health of the justices.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:03 PM
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15. I'm sure you are right about some of that
I assume Roe will be overturned soon.

I also assume that the anti-abortion amendment to the Texas Constitution will pass as handily as the anti gay marriage amendment passed. No Governor will be able to stop it even if he/she tries. It will never cross the governor's desk.

You seem to make the assumption that being pro choice is a benefit in a state wide election. But in a state where the majority strongly oppose abortion, being pro choice is a liability. Abortion and women's health are not the issues that will help Democrats in the upcoming election, any more than gay marriage will.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:03 PM
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9. Part of the "More Democrat Than Thou" disease.
Personally this kind of "liberal one-upsmanship" strikes me as out and out gameplaying of the dullest sort. :boring:

I got the letter from the Gammage campaign in email this AM, and it was pretty much as described above, FWIW.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:44 PM
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12. Not all of Danberg's letter was posted here
You can find the complete letter at:

http://www.gammageforgovernor.com/node/109
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:26 PM
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14. Thanks for finding a link
When I posted originally I looked at the Gammage site and could not find the letter. The letter I posted is the letter I received, not exactly the one you reference.

I, too, agree with Texas_Linda that discussing positives is prefered.
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