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David Van Os Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:08 AM
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Precinct Convention Report - a positive view
In my Bexar County precinct 3024 in north central San Antonio just inside Loop 410, the Clinton supporters came with a specific agenda to try to take over the convention by voting as a bloc for every convention official and for delegation chair at the end. It wasn't any mystery, it was right out in the open. A couple of friends of mine who signed in for Hillary (I signed in for Obama) told me about the Clinton precinct convention training without any sense that there was anything sinister about it, and I didn't think there was either. Sounded like good community organizing to me, something to be impressed with, not to be resentful about.

The tactic to try to elect Clinton supporters to everything rubbed a few people the wrong way, but there was nothing illegal or cheating about it. They didn't succeed at most of it because the convention was 60% for Obama. It was all done with a minimum of rancor and a maximum of amiable civility.

The precinct chair appointed me Temporary Chair of the convention due to my having a background of a lot of precinct convention experience. Then somebody nominated me Permanent Chair, nobody nominated anybody else, and so there I was as Convention Chair. I was for Obama myself but I bent over backward in every way to keep everything impartial, open, even-handed and fair. To me that is what it's all about in this wonderful exercise of what self-government is supposed to be like.

Some people were naturally a bit on edge about making sure their candidate got all that was his or her due, but no big deal, it should be assumed by human nature that if people have gone out of their way to come to the precinct convention on behalf of their candidate, they are sufficiently invested emotionally to have some anxiety about how the votes will turn out. At a couple of points during the night I perceived some rising potential for someone's emotional edge to disrupt the collective civility, and at those points I simply called for a 60-second group pause so everybody could take a deep breath and calm down.

There were several "observers" present from the out-of-precinct field staff of both campaigns. In retrospect, under the Party Rules I should have excluded them from the precinct convention. It's against the Rules for anybody of voting age to be present who isn't either a qualified signed-in attendee from the precinct, or a representative of the press.

Our Texas precinct conventions are not caucuses, they are conventions. Caucuses are when supporters of a particular candidate meet together to select their delegates to the next level. Our primary election night meetings are not Iowa caucuses, they are precinct conventions. Caucuses take place within and during the precinct conventions when the different presidential preference groups separate to different parts of the room to choose their delegates to the next convention level. Both campaigns did a disservice to all of us by encouraging their supporters to think the sole purpose of our convention process is the presidential nominations, when it isn't.

For the overwhelming majority of precinct conventions and for all of us as a whole, democracy and fair play won out. Despite the isolated reports of irregularities (about a dozen such reports out of nearly 8,500 precincts), all reports suggest that the overwhelming majority of the precinct conventions ran smoothly and amiably.

I love our precinct conventions. They are democracy and self-government in live action at the most grassroots level. Our trouble was that when the heightened interest rose up this year, we had relatively few people who were experienced in the process and prepared to conduct or help conduct the precinct conventions. This is because the interest and participation dropped so low over the last 16 years.

Those of us who have been around for a while and remember the 1970s, can recall that in the 1970s as a result of the brand-new McGovern Commission rules mandating proportional representation throughout the process, back then the precinct conventions had fairly good turnout every time. Not necessarily as big as this year (though in 1972 the conventions were swamped with turnout), but decent regular turnout.

Through the 1980s there was usually decent turnout, in fact it was downright high in 1988 when Texas was part of the first "Super Tuesday" and we had a 3-way race between Michael Dukakis, Jesse Jackson, and Al Gore definitely going on at the time of the Texas primary. Though not at the astounding level of this year. After the 1992 elections, starting in 1994 the precinct convention participation fell way off, and through the rest of the 1990s and 2000s the typical precinct conventions in many precincts had about 3 to 6 attendees. As a party we didn't do much to pump up attendance. In fact our Party leadership pushed it down every year with the repeated refrain that we couldn't carry Texas.

Instead of trashing the process, I hope we will all work to keep up the participation so that the next time there is this kind of tidal wave turnout, it won't be chaotic because we will have a large number of active Democrats who are used to going to the precinct conventions every Democratic primary night and thus know the procedures well. For heaven's sake, as you go about the business of supporting your presidential candidate, DO NOT, please DO NOT make the supporters of the other candidate feel unwelcome. No matter how strongly you feel about your candidate being the best candidate, no matter how strongly you feel about the unacceptable flaws of the other candidate, please welcome and embrace the presence of all of your fellow grassroots Democrats in the fantastic participation that we have this year.

Play it intensely and passionately, but play it fair, clean, and by the rules. Observe a bottom-line fundamental respect for the basic human and civil rights of the opposition candidate's supporters to support the candidate of their choice. Observe every convention-goer's dignity. Be respectful and courteous. Recognize that the supporters of the opposition feel strongly about their candidate, too. Remember that if your candidate wins the nomination, you want and need the other candidate's supporters to be there with you for the general election campaign, but they probably won't be there if they are made to feel trampled on during the nomination process. So while you engage in your efforts to get the most delegates that you can for your candidate democratically and fairly under the Rules, at the same time let the supporters of the opposition know that you respect them and you are glad they are there. We all need to be glad that we're all there. The bigger our upcoming conventions are, and the more positive the participants feel about the experience, the better our November chances.

David Van Os

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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:47 AM
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1. Fair and even-handed
Your post is, just as was the stewardship of your precinct convention.

(And what are we doing up so early puttering around on DU?)
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:19 AM
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2. Thank you for this wonderful insight
I had the responsibility of conducting our convention, however, it really did turn into a caucus. I had very little training and my precinct chair didn't even show up. So, I reluctantly decided to take his place. My hubby and I decided to do the best we could (both Obama supporters) and got a Clinton supporter to help conduct the proceedings.

We managed to get everyone signed in, at which point everyone left except for the ones who wanted to be delegates. I was accused of not being ethical, that I would disenfranchise Clinton voters. Of course I could have done that, but damn it, I DO have ethics. I turned all the paper work into my Democratic county HQ's the very next day, even went over the papers with someone to ensure we did everything correctly. Which we did:woohoo:

I'm glad someone with your background in Texas law, explained that we don't have a caucus. So, many people are ill informed about this, and they make unfair statements based on their ignorance of the process. They refuse to acknowledge that it IS a convention.

I just wished our news media throughout our state would take some time out of their programming to help educate us. Although I realize most people wouldn't watch it. But we do need to be better informed and educated about our process. I learned the hard way that people choose to be uneducated about how to vote and how to attend a precinct convention.

Once again thanks for the excellent post.



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TexasThoughtCriminal Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:51 AM
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3. Excellent report
I bet your convention would make a great training video. I especially like the 60-second cool off period. (Another suggestion I've heard is the moment you have a complainer, put them to work. Make them herd the crowd, check credentials, count, oversee the math, etc. It gets them to appreciate the challenge of running a large convention, puts their money where their mouth is, exhibits transparency, and gets you a volunteer.)

Now that the word is out that these conventions exist, I hope many of the participants come back. This is the most democratic way for regular people to have a voice in the party and gets new people involved.

One question though...
We were trained up here in Dallas Co. that ALL Democratic meetings were open meetings and we could not exclude anybody from witnessing a convention unless they were being disruptive. Which is it? :shrug:
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:45 AM
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6. I agree with you TTC the meetings are open to the public
I think David meant to say, the observers had to stay out of the voting area, which is correct. But they are allowed to observe. We had such a large crowd, we issued voting cards upon sign in. This was an excellent idea cripsini came up with. Worked beautifully.


Sonia
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:49 AM
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7. You know the funny thing? I ditched that idea on the fly.
I completely did not have enough cards ready and I decided it would just over complicate things. LOL!
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:05 PM
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8. We used them
It was a good idea if you had a very, very large convention like ours. We were spread over a cafeteria, a gym and 3 hallways.


Sonia
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:15 AM
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4. That's the ticket
Thanks for the write up David.

:hi:

Sonia
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:38 AM
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5. Happy to be rec number 5!
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 09:39 AM by Melissa G
Thank you for explaining our precinct conventions. I'm sending this out so folks in other states hear about how we do things in the Lone Star State.
Our precinct convention had about 10 times the normal 6 to 8 usual suspects that previously showed up. A great civilized time was had by all hanging out with our newly energized friend and neighbors . Our convention was split almost 50/50 Obama/Clinton. One extra Obama person showed up to slightly complicate the math. We split our elected delegates 50/50 Clinton/Obama. The old timers stepped aside for the new young blood to lead who asked to be involved but they hung out to help anyway and things ran smoothly because of that. All the delegates for Obama made sure every one who most wanted to go on to senate district convention did. I'm pretty sure it was just as civil on the Clinton side.
It was a lovely evening in precinct 301! May there be many more with such great participation!
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:16 AM
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9. I had a similar expierence
My precinct convention was 80% for Obama and so no one really tried to take it over. I ended up as precinct Chairman after I was dumb enough to correct the Temporary chair on some procedural matters. I did my best to make sure that the votes were counted properly and everybody was comfortable. I had a CPA who was a Clinton suppoorter and a cpa who was an Obama supporter check the math of the delegate allocation. When they both agreed on the math, it was easy to make sure that the people feel that the process was fair.

I had 360 people at my convention. I am told that we are expecting 1500 at our Senate District Convention and that we only had 40 people at this convention four years ago. ]

This turnout is good for the party.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:46 PM
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10. Too late to recommend. I can kick and thank David for his good work
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proudtxdemocrat Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:25 AM
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11. Which campaign was your secretary from?
Just curious...did you do as we did and make sure we had Chair from one campaign and secretary from the other campaign? That was the Clinton folks idea at my Precinct Convention.
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