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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 05:20 PM
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(Wisconsin) Clinton delegate to vote for McCain
FRIDAY, June 13, 2008, 3:08 p.m.
By Craig Gilbert

Clinton delegate to vote for McCain
As an avid supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Debra Bartoshevich is not alone in her frustration over Clinton's defeat.

She's not alone in refusing to support Barack Obama.

And she's not entirely alone in saying she'll vote this fall for Republican John McCain instead.

But what makes her unusual is that she holds these views as an elected delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer.

"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me. I don't want to lose my national delegate status," says Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse who is a convention delegate, pledged to Clinton, from Waterford in Racine County.

Joe Wineke, the chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, reacted with disbelief when first told Friday afternoon that one of his state party delegates is now a McCain supporter.

"Not a delegate? To the national convention?" asked Wineke, who was getting ready for the start of the state party convention Friday in Stevens Point.

"We have a Clinton national (convention) delegate who says she's voting for John McCain?" Wineke repeated, for clarification. "I've never heard of such a thing."

Wineke said "almost everybody I know who was for Hillary" is solidly behind Obama now. As for Bartoshevich, he said, "my suspicion is she doesn't know what she's getting into" because "the delegates to this convention will be very upset."

Asked if publicly supporting the other party's presidential nominee could affect a delegate's convention status, Wineke said, "I never thought I'd ever get a question like this."

After some preliminary checking, the state party chair said he assumed she would remain a delegate.

The McCain campaign said that, nationally, it was not aware at this point of any other delegates to the Democratic convention (it may know of an alternate, it said) who have come out for the Republican candidate.

In an interview, Bartoshevich expressed lingering unhappiness over the Democratic nominating process, said Clinton was treated unfairly by the party, and said she has deep reservations about Obama's lack of experience and his judgment.

"I'm kind of disenfranchised," she said.

She said she planned to vote for Clinton at the convention, but in an Obama-McCain match-up in November, "I will not be voting for Obama. I will cast my vote for John McCain.

Said Bartoshevich: "I just feel you need to have somebody who has experience with foreign matters."

She said a series of controversial Obama "associations," including but not limited to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Chicago developer Tony Rezko, reflected poorly on his judgment. And she echoed the complaints of many of Clinton's most ardent supporters that Clinton was treated unfairly in the nominating process and by the party.

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that's by Susan B. Anthony," said Bartoshevich, referring to the famous suffragist.

Bartoshevich called herself a "devoted Democrat" who, she said, had never voted for a Republican for president.

"I'm on a lot of the (pro-Clinton) blogs, and so many people, male and female, feel the same way as I do," said Bartoshevich, who was listed as a Racine County co-chair for the Clinton campaign and who traveled outside Wisconsin to volunteer for Clinton. "The Democrats jumped on this wagon of Barack Obama and nobody really knows him."

Hoping to tap into discontent among Clinton supporters, the McCain campaign is reaching out to them in a variety of ways, including a telephone "town hall" meeting Saturday targeted to non-Republican voters. Encouraged by her sister, who has served in Iraq, Bartoshevich signed up as a supporter with "Citizens for McCain," an arm of the campaign targeting Democrats and independents. She said she then got a call from the McCain campaign, which in turn provided her name to a reporter.

Polls suggest that Democrats are largely rallying around Obama after a divisive nominating fight, a phenomenon that has occurred in past intra-party fights, say scholars. But it remains to be seen whether Obama is hurt in the fall by any softness among from Clinton's core constituencies, especially white women, and older and lower-income whites.

Clinton has not formally "released" her pledged delegates, and it would not be unusual, given recent history, for most of them to cast their votes for Clinton at the convention. But she has urged her delegates to help Obama defeat McCain.

Professor Byron Shafer, a University of Wisconsin-Madison scholar who is an expert on conventions, said it's the fact that Bartoshevich is a convention delegate, subject to the partisan tendencies and pressures common to party activists, that makes her public support for McCain so unusual.

"The competitive partisan dynamic is usually strong enough that even the people not willing to line up at the convention on record for the nominee, are still unlikely to be willing to line up publicly for the other party's nominee," said Shafer. "It's a pretty far-out move."

Asked what kind of reception he would expect Bartoshevich to get from her fellow delegates, he said: "I would guess a lot of people will be very rude and very unpleasant."

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=6/13/2008&id=41516

It's ridiculous.
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Sabien Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:07 PM
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1. Craig Gilbert
is a tool.

Ideas Network has him on once in a while and he reminds me of "the Whiners" family from Saturday Night Live many years ago.
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nels25 Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:38 PM
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14. He files a legitimate news report
and he is a tool??

Why??
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:23 PM
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2. The update says the Wisconsin delegation is going to try to unseat her.
This should get interesting...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:26 PM
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3. I wonder why she would still want to go anyway
unless she is part of a larger group of Clinton delegates from across the country who are going to the convention mainly to protest against Obama.
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Sabien Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:38 PM
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4. update
from jsonline.com

FRIDAY, June 13, 2008, 9:03 p.m.
By Steven Walters
UPDATE: Democrats seek to unseat delegate

Stevens Point - Wisconsin Democrats tonight asked national party leaders to not seat one of the state's delegates to the Denver national convention who backed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for president, but who today she plans to vote for Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain.

"Democrats in the State of Wisconsin will never support somebody who supports John McCain," said state Democratic Party Chairman Joe Wineke, who asked the party's annual convention to adopt a resolution asking national party officials to not seat Debra Bartoshevich of Waterford, who had been a pledged Democratic convention delgate for Clinton.

Another pledged Clinton delegate, Paula Dorsey of Milwaukee, offered a resolution - which passed unanimously - asking that national leaders not allow Bartoshevich into the party's national event in August.

Dorsey said trying to expell her fellow Democrat from the party's convention "hurts my soul and it hurts my heart," but it is the party's presumptive nominee, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), whom convention delegates must support.

State and national party rules say that anyone who won't support the party's presidential nominee is not qualified to serve as a delegate to the national convention, Wineke said.

If national party leaders agree, an at-large delegate will take Bartoshevich's place, a party official said.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:52 PM
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6. What good timing
for this to become news the day of the state convention.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:49 PM
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5. Is she related to Lieberman?
What an idiot.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:20 AM
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7. Riddle me this:
Why would a Democratic woman vote for an anti-woman Republican white man over a pro-woman Democratic black man?

Let me guess... she wouldn't happen to be... white, would she?
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:38 AM
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8. It's very unsettling to me that
Ms. Bartoshevich's disgruntlement over the treatment of Senator Clinton would compel her to waste her vote for someone so vile as McCain!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:59 AM
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9. Ya'll keep us updated on this!
If you're at the convention, I wanna know this chick is going home with NO aspirations for Denver!
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:41 AM
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10. it was a unanimous vote to unseat her
During the vote on the motion to request the DNC unseat her the house exploded with the yea vote and fell silent after the request for nay votes.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:43 PM
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12. good
what a moran. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if someone is going to vote for a republican because Hillary isn't the candidate it means they weren't much of a Democrat to begin with and they can kiss my 100% red,white and blue Democratic ASS
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Sabien Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:36 PM
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11. things that make you go hmmm
McCain aide alerted press

"Encouraged by her sister, who has served in Iraq, Bartoshevich signed up as a supporter with “Citizens for McCain,” an arm of the campaign targeting Democrats and independents. She said she got a call from the McCain campaign, which then provided her name to a reporter."

Doesn't smell right...

updated article at jsonline.com here: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762052
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:22 PM
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13. This calls for a rerun of something I posted in GD a while back...
Hey, all you pissed-off women. Vote for McCain.


That's the right thing to do.

Vote for repeal of Roe v Wade.
Vote for endless wars to send your babies off to.
Vote for the impoverishment of the bottom 99.9% of the population.
Vote for the destruction of public education. Hell, schoolin' ain't gonna do your kids no good nohow because there will be no jobs for them.
Vote for a guy who doesn't know what a mortgage is. You didn't really need that house anyway.
Vote for a guy who wants to Bomb-Bomb-Bomb-Iran, even though he's kinda confused on who runs the country.
Vote to deprive yourselves and your families of health care.
Vote for the guy who's drooling to turn the country over to corporate rule. (Oops--might be wrong on that one. Maybe he's just drooling.)
Vote for three more Supreme Court Justices to the right of Alito, Scalia and Roberts. That'll make sure the next two or three generations will have reason to remember how mad you are.

Yeah. Vote for McCain.

That'll show us evil, sexist bastards a thing or two.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:07 PM
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15. I dare you to post that here:
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:30 PM
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16. Careful, Jackpine loves a dare.
Wouldn't be the first Molotov he's lobbed.
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