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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:59 PM
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Thompson resigns
NPR is reporting tonight that the resignee of the day is Tommy Thompson who will go into the private sector. I hope he stays in DC to be with his love princess. We don't want him back here.
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:01 PM
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1. No shit
I would be so pissed if I moved back to Madison (only 6 more months....) and that SOB follows me.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:02 PM
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2. weeping like a baby
did you see tommy crying for the camera,i knew he'd go kicking and screaming. He did say he's going into the private sector looks like aurora health care wins the prize.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:03 PM
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3. Not to worry
GOP scum who resign or are defeated always go through the revolving door into lobbying companies.

He'll most likely stay in DC, being overpaid for offering "access."
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:07 PM
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4. The stories I've heard are that he's returning to Wisconsin... n/t
.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:18 PM
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5. And I was having a good night...
...thanks for the bad news. Maybe he'll stay out of Madison, but I doubt it.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:18 PM
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6. He will run for the Senatte
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 08:19 PM by rodeodrive1
He spoke today about running for the Senate. Bet he does. The CEO jobs are not forthcoming, lol. He CAN'T stand to be out of elective office. Pity for Wisconsin.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:10 PM
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11. If his driver's license is clean, he could get a job at Badger Cab
Maybe.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:24 PM
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7. Love Princess?
You mean the gal I told you about at the GOP Convention? That huge public scene? That explains why he mentioned today about running for the Senate. SHE is a Senate insider, so the party-goers said. They also said he would stay in DC regardless, as HIS WIFE.... AND FAMILY DIDN'T WANT HIM BACK in Wisconsin, lol, and that they were close to splitting up...for good. What took her so long?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:28 PM
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8. Yep Rodeo
That's where I got that term. Didn't know what else to call her: not his wife, not his girlfriend, we don't know if she's his lover.

I thought the label fit.

If he runs for Senate, I hope he establishes residency somewhere besides Wisco. Kohl is not my favorite, but I would happily support and work for him if it meant defeating the horrible TT. Wisconsin just LOVED him for some reason I will never understand. Voted against that jerk in every single election after I moved here.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:18 PM
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9. Same here
Kohl angers me but I'll gladly vote for him and maybe even campaign for him.........I had the pleasure of voting AGAINST tommy everytime he ran....
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:48 PM
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12. Tommy WOULD win, sadly
From what I saw, she was his PUBLIC LOVER, lol. This is beginning to make sense about why he would run for the SENATE, not Governor, if she was in DC. Wisconsiners DO just love him for some ungodly reason. The party-goers were saying crap like "he's a man of the people," ad nasiem. I've even heard that from Dems. He's like a rock star there. He would beat Kohl who you're right, is not the best, but from what I hear he may retire, and would, if TT entered the race. Here's what the idiot said today:




He didn't rule out a return to elective office, either.

"That's entirely possible. I happen to love politics. Why would I say no?
There's a Senate seat open," he said during a news conference in Washington.

Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl's term expires in 2006.

We had better get ready for it. He will NOT be happy making money. He seems to only be happy in the public eye.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:23 AM
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45. Didn't TT leave with a big war chest that he can tap for the election??
But of course Kohl has his own $$ to tap.
Is Kohl running again?
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:06 AM
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47. I think so
Yep, I think he did have a big war chest, and he can always raise BIG bucks. I don't think Kohl has said one way or another what he is going to do, but something tells me he will NOT run again. He will be 71 in '06, and is not the best campaigner. Feingold he ain't, lol.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:21 AM
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44. I do understand how people voted for TT either!! they just kept
doing it!! over and over!!!!
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:10 AM
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48. Again and again!!!
And still NO ONE answers my big question: Why does the press NOT report the PUBLIC stunts he pulls? Read this thread and you will see the I PERSONALLY saw a DOOZY.
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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:04 PM
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10. Ever see his profile on the WH page?
Before all this, that is.

I remember the profile saying that Thompson's "welfare reform cut 90% of recipients and put them into economically viable alternatives."

What a load of

BULLSHIT.



Most of us know that farce as W2, which has been a complete failure. What "alternatives?"

"Find a job, bitch, 'cause we're cutting you off in six months!"

Getting rid of AFDC, Head Start and other necessary programs is not reform. It's mean.

I'd rather my taxes go to feeding, housing, and educating Wiscos instead of some stupid scheme like the Crandon mine, or giving tax breaks to major corporations so they can bank in the Caymans while our children are half a world away getting killed so some prick in Waukesha can fill his SUV.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:39 PM
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13. I don't think he'd win a governorship again.
The luster has worn off. People are starting to see the cost of the prisons he built, the patronage he encouraged, the increases in state spending, the road that led us to the big deficit. His partisans, of course, think he walks on water; but I think he'd have a hard time running against Doyle, who has had to clean up the mess he and his stooge Scottie left behind.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:32 AM
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14. The SENATE Seat
You are right, it would be rough to win the Governorship again, but he could still win it. Doyle is not a popularity king. Scottie was a DISASTER, but there are other reasons that Thompson would not run for Governor again. He did it for 14 years already. Also, from what I hear, his wife doesn't want him back in the state full-time. Doyle is an INCUMBENT, and there are TONS of other Republicans who want to run, and he would have a HUGE primary fight. He could however, win the Senate seat. I don't think Kohl will run again, and if he did, he would be a weak candidate. He is what, 75 years old, and HE IS NOT FEINGOLD. For some crazy reason, TT is regarded as a rock star in Wisconsin. Go figure.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 11:09 PM
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16. Good point.
Yes, indeed, an open senate seat would be oh so tempting for Tommy. I can almost see him wringing his hands and giggling like Renfield.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:39 AM
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17. He would, too
I'll just bet he would be DROOLING over an open Senate seat. I read an article today saying that if Kohl retires, he could just WALK into the Senate, and that pressure was already being put on him to run, and I'll just BET he will. Elizabeth Dole, of all people, is now head of the NRSC, and the lady I saw him all over that night LOOKED like a younger Mrs. Dole, lol. The article said he would beat Kohl EASILY, if he stayed, and that TT was regarded as an "icon" in Wisconsin. Feingold would have been much tougher to take out.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:01 AM
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18. Do you live in Wisconsin?
Kohl would be impossible for Tommy to knock off. He has tremendous popularity and in 2000 got well over 60% of the vote. I have no idea what article you read, but there is no push to get Kohl out. He is a much more solid incumbent than Feingold has ever been. He may not be as good on the stump, but everyone respects him.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:14 AM
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19. Tommy is a "rock star" in Wisconsin
Kohl wins over VERY weak and lame candidates, not against a heavyweight like TT. And for some goofy reason, most everyone in Wisconsin WORSHIPS this dufus.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:22 AM
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20. I live in Waukesha county and I can tell you that's not true.
Tommy never ran against strong candidates either. Chavala? Garvey? Give me a break. A lot of Tommy's luster is gone now after people have seen what his budget priorities did to our state.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:25 AM
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21. Chavala. Garvey.
Talk about nightmares.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:37 AM
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22. What were we thinking?
I really want to know whose bright idea it was to run those two.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:04 AM
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25. Wait, I have a better one.
And he was a Republican. Remember Terry Kohler?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:25 PM
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26. Anyone who could get crushed by Tony Earl sucked as a candidate.
I'm so glad he didn't become our governor.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:01 PM
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28. Did you think Earl was that bad?
He inherited an economic mess from Dreyfus. I don't remember his term in great detail. I was only a kid when Pat Lucey was governor. Marty Schreiber wasn't ready for prime time. I'm not even a big fan of Doyle; thought he was a good AG (compared to Hanaway and LaFollette).

Not a Grade A group of people, it seems.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:40 PM
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29. We've had a bad run.
Doyle is the best we've had since Knowles. Lucey, Schreiber, Dreyfus, Earl, and Thompson have all been pretty bad.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:42 AM
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23. Yes, TT would win
TT knocked off an INCUMBENT the first time but he DID leave office with an 82% approval rating, and Kohl is a dreadful candidate. Not a bad guy, but a HORRIBLE candidate on the stump. Feingold he's not, and Bush also came VERY close to carrying Wisconsin this year... too close, and Bush is not a good fit for the state. Tommy, the Harley-ridin' yokel, is. For some reason TT us an "icon" in the same way Arnold is to California. Gag.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:48 AM
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24. Where do you keep getting this idea that Kohl is vulnerable?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 10:50 AM by Zynx
Besides, Thompson's popularity has fallen since he left the state.

Also, the incumbent that he knocked off was TONY EARL. I think that says it all.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 05:13 PM
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41. I may be wrong but
I am from Kenosha and I think that Kohl is beatable by Thompson, however if history is any guide 06 should (at last) be a democratic year. No party that holds the Presidency does good in the 6th year by elections (the exception being Clinton in 98).

Still I think the odds would favor Tommy to beat Kohl.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:07 AM
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42. You are right
Kohl is VERY beatable by Thompson, and the last poll of TT vs Doyle, had Tommy beating HIM, too. Something tells me that Kohl will wind up not running again. History has CHANGED, as we are in a new millenium, 9/11, and Bush seems to beat the odds. Also, Wisconsin just BARELY went Dem, and seems to be changing, as does Minnesota. I do beleive that in '06, there will be more Dem seats up, and vunerable ones too, than there will be GOP. You are right, the odds would favor Tommy beating Kohl. TT vs. FEINGOLD however, would have been VERY interesting.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:37 PM
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27. Rock star and hot biker dude
In his dreams only.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:05 PM
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30. ROTFLMAO!!!!
You mean in OUR NIGHTMARES ONLY, lol. BUT, he would still win, especially the Seante seat.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:01 PM
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31. Ya-hey.
Especially since Election Board supervisor Kevin Kennedy got those flashy new ES&S and Sequoia electronic voting machines in! Even Tommy's weird brother could win now!
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:09 PM
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32. Ed IS weird... but a riot!!!
The GOP HATES Ed, because he took enough votes away from Scottie to put Doyle in office. On the other hand Scottie was a DISASTER, and it was well known that he and Thompson hated each other. By the way, doesn't Tommy have some other weird brothers? Inquiring minds want to know, lol.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:34 PM
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33. Well there was Ed Gein Thompson, and Jeffrey Dahmer Thompson...
and their older brother, Joe McCarthy Thompson. Boy I think it is time for bed for this girl ;)
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:25 AM
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34. Again, ROTFLMAO!!!!
I did read something about another brother being arrested for "sexual assault" and did hear that his wife was "weird," didn't live with him, etc...... Please update me. :-)
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:19 AM
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36. ooooh! I hadn't heard that!
You have such good Tommy stories! :D
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 08:02 AM
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37. Here's another one
I posted this on another thread. ENJOY!!! Do you have any goos ones you could share? I am STILL shocked after all these months, lol.


Don't think he has a singing nun now, but I PERSONALLY saw some his TOTALLY improper conduct. A friend of mine took me to a private party of his, during the GOP convention in NY, and there was no girlfriend there, but he WAS all over a gorgeous brunette, who looked like a young Elizabeth Dole. Everybody said he had gone nuts about her, she is from California, and a Bush and GOP Senate insider. It was REALLY OBVIOUS, and everybody was shocked and embarassed. Some of the press was there, and for some reason, kept quiet. This may be the reason he wants to stay in DC. People at the party were saying the wife had FINALLY had it with him. I wonder why.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 11:05 AM
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38. aaaaah, yes. I remember we discussed this last week.
Keep us posted with the Dirty Tommy stories ;)
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 11:16 AM
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39. Keep 'em coming
I will, but I NEVER get an answer to my big question: WHY ISN'T IT REPORTED? It was SO obvious and in public. By the way, do YOU have any more dirty.... or nasty TT stories?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 11:23 AM
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40. NO, except that one I know well sued him once and won
but I cannot say another word, so dont ask me!!!!
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:08 AM
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43. Huh?
DO tell, lol. Maybe you sued him for "sexual harassment" lol.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:27 AM
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35. Rock & Roll!!!
Well yeah, he DOES look like Elmer Fudd!!!
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 03:01 PM
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15. Good riddance
to bad rubbish
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:40 AM
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46. i just hope he doesn't come back here
now that doyle's fixed his mess we don't want him back!
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:16 AM
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49. He'll be back
I don't think he will run for Governor, though. He talked of running for the Senate..... Guess he likes those junkets, and Senators go on them ALL the time, at taxpayer's expense.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:19 AM
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50. ugghh
i think kohl is pretty safe as he got what, 67% of the vote last time? and feingold is looking pretty safe with his decisive victory over michels...but you never know...wisconsin people can be pretty dumb sometimes...

please tommy stay in the private sector, there's a lot more money for you there...please!
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:13 PM
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51. Kohl could be beaten
Kohl won over some pretty lame people, and Michels was TRULY lame, lol. Tommy will never make it on the private sector, as he always has to have his face in the news. That's something money will never buy. Also, the dork LOVES politics.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:45 AM
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52. If Kohl retires....
...and Thompson runs for his seat, who would we run against him? Do you think Lt. Gov. Lawton would be a good candidate? (I went to school with her son, btw; good guy.) Do you think she'd be able to stand against TT? I do, but I'm interested in what anybody else thinks.
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:57 AM
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53. God Forbid
No, I don't think she would fare well against TT. He would nail her. He would be rough to beat, period. Go figure.
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maclake Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:29 AM
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54. thompson resigns
Although I agree that Tommy would not be good for this state and is not welcome back, there is no need to back bite him, ... imho i suggest let God do the work ... stay loyal to your team and fair with your opponents
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:35 AM
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55. You get what you give
And that's the least that Tommyboy deserves.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:36 AM
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56. Playing fair is for losers -- I learned that lesson from the Republicans
I'll back-bite Tommy every chance I get.

'Swift Nuns for Truth' reporting for duty!

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maclake Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:19 PM
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60. reap what you plant
common people talk about people

educated people talk about things

highly educated people talk about IDEAS

ideas are the best way to change the world (imho)

engage the world with your ideas

is that idealistic???lol

maybe, but it is all that keeps me sane...
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:54 PM
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57. Last time I checked, God really was a lot more
concerned with the souls of sentient beings, the planet, the universe, and a number of other things a lot bigger than our stupid, illegal, undemocratic elections. So far, "letting God do the work" (as uneducated voters love to spout) has brought us GWB gutting the environment God is letting us use, cutting out acts of charity, forgiveness, and justice (largely supported by Christ), and taking a crapper on the working and non-working poor, women, and children--also groups Christ SPECIFICALLY instructed us to protect.

Tommy has a history of chuckling at abusive treatment of women by his staff, cheating on his wife, and showing public indifference to his family, not to mention the hurtful policies he enacted under his gubernatiorial tenure. Sitting idly by while the ignorant electorate puts this guy in charge of some other aspect of the public realm is doing the devil's work, not God's.
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maclake Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:51 PM
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58. It is not God
It is the humans, who do satan's work in the name of God.

I am only speaking about saying bad things about him(TT)... I encourage talk of the problems that he has created, and I will engage anyone who tries to defend the lies of the present administration and policies absent of any semblance of moral character.

But, why waste your time on him(tt)... put your time into challenging every thing that he does wrong.

Did I hear that some may be giving up on God, ... because of a few years of suffering?... keep the big picture in mind and keep God on your side... don't turn to satan or you may become like him.

Attack me if you like, the real problem is that Bush has no modesty, and he believes that he alone is right about religion and he can invoke his beliefs on the whole world... that is the most dangerous idea that I have heard in my lifetime. (I was not alive when Hitler was alive)

The truth is that all three religions (Jude, Islam, and Christian) all worship the same GOD. The God of Abraham. There are only minor differences of interpretation between the religions... Bush will find out that he is wrong... the question is how many people will die because of his arrogance... our challenge is to expose his arrogance, while remaining modest ourselves.

BTW... this spell checker is curious... it prompted me to capitalize satan's name twice... I can be a believer in God and a democrat, right?
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maclake Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:10 PM
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59. Well put - Alley Cat
It was an oversight on my part to forget to say that I agree with you 100%. If you can put that kind of effort into blocking efforts of TT to hurt the people that Christ instructed us to protect... those progrms and policies stand no chance. Christ will help ... he is not on the Republicans side only... they just think he is in thier hubris stupor
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:19 PM
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61. Sometimes I hate trying to communicate
through typing. It is such a flat medium and nearly impossible to tell what the person's emotion might be.

I thought you were saying to not do anything and let God figure it out...and I was not very happy with that.

My response did not intend to imply that God was doing the devil's work...it is us who do it, usually through inaction.

We have to fight TT if he comes back here looking for public office, which I would bet he will. He is not the kind of person most of us want representing us.

I am not a member of any Christian church, but feel a strong connection through my own religion to Christ's teachings, something I feel most of his "followers" do not heed. There are so many similarities in the world's religions...and the vocal among them don't seem to follow their own tenets either.
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maclake Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:59 PM
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62. Understood
I, too belong to no church... all churches that I have seen (so far) have been corrupt with money, power, and the belief that they are the only ones with the truth (hubris)... the truth is within... we are judged by our actions and inactions... sins of ommision and commision... I will not stand idly by while governor (dictator?) Bush destroys the world... I am here (on earth) to push back... the truth will be exposed... history has a nasty way of exposing the truth... we must work hard to help!

We need access to the electronic voting machines in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, etc... a savvy code writer will figure out how the machines were manipulated... that is my dream... and Dictaor bush will be tumble into obscurity, being sadly rememberd as the only dictator to steal an AMERICAN (not ukrainian) election.

The way that will happen?... we must engage the center and left republicans... not shut them out in our anger... it will take much wisdom to assist history in exposing the TRUTH
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rodeodrive1 Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:52 PM
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63. 'Tis the season, lol
Whoa, my playful "God forbid" touched off a whole religious discussion. But Tommy"s actions, aka cheating on his wife are not held against most pols these days, especially after Clinton. And, of course, look at Arnold, who is a class A-1 pig. I had a run-in with him.... as has nearly every female who encountered him. Tommy doesn't live with his wife, and from what I see, it looks like she has never had anything to do with him, and the state knows, and for some reason, doesn't hold it against him.
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maclake Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:15 AM
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64. Mr. Bush is not
a true dictator... a dictator will usually admit he is... so I will retract my moniker and replace it with Emperor Bush... he is not my president... we have no President
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