What are Wisconsin DU'ers doing about Sensenbrenner?

[paineinthearse]

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=298111#298160

Are there any Sensenbrenner's from home district?

[Zynx]

1. I live in Sensenbrenner's district.

This is an entirely fruitless excersise with no hope of success though. I don't even really believe in election fraud to begin with.

[ewagner]

2. Sadly agree

at least with the part about it being a fruitless/useless exercise....

[Bill Bored]

4. You sound like you don't believe in ELECTIONS either.

It's not just about the fraud issue. It's about disenfranchisement too.

[Zynx]

9. I believe that our voting systems are crap.

I also think a lot of people are wrongly taken off the rolls for felony convictions. However, I have studied the Ohio election results closely and I have seen no evidence of fraud. Kerry's Cleveland totals were the highest percent and numbers since 1964. His Franklin county numbers too were the highest a Democrat has produced in raw numbers and the highest percent since 1936.

The issue is that Bush had similar record numbers in suburban and rural counties. This was a trend followed all around the country. I saw it first hand in my Waukesha county ward where we had record numbers of voters, well over 70% of whom were there to vote for Bush. There was no fraud in Waukesha county on any large level(there's always a little bit here and there) and Bush produced astounding numbers here with the fundies and the corporate executives.

[Bill Bored]

15. What you didn't mention though

are the suspicious and outright illegal actions that took place in Ohio, not the least of which was the non-random selection of precincts for the 3% hand recount in nearly every county. This in an environment with rotating ballot orders that, if not counted correctly, could add up to thousands of votes switched from Kerry to Bush, or vice versa. If they are so sure the count was correct, and they have nothing to hide, why not obey their own state laws and audit the count randomly during the recount process???

Instead all we hear is that the Glibs had no chance of winning anyway, and therefore the whole thing is frivolous. This is not the point. If they don't like their recount laws, they should change them. But in the meantime, comply with them!

There are also the issues of voter misdirection, last minute judicial decisions about where provisional ballots may be cast and actually counted, uneven distribution of voting machines (suspiciously concealed by using meaningless statistics such as AVERAGE number of voters per machine and by not stating the time of arrival of some machines) and a whole host of other problems documented in public hearings.

Whether these are sufficient to change the results is not the point. The point is to find out what happened and how to prevent it in the future through legislation, prosecution, or other means. I think your own senator Feingold would agree, based on some of his remarks on Jan 6.

And if you do add up all the potential anomalies, it could in fact change the outcome of the election too, but yes, that's beside the point.

[low_phreaq]

7. Maybe we have to make a nonpartisan plea?

Maybe if we ask Sensenbrenner to look not only at Ohio, but Wisconsin, where there may have been some fraudulent activities by Dems?

Charges Expected Monday In Election Day Tire Slashing
http://www.channel3000.com/news/4113353/detail.html

Missing voters? Check it out
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/opinion/index.php?ntid=25262

Voter fraud? Wait, don't click that mouse
http://www.madison.com/post/blogs/inciteful/index.php?ntid=25008

[Zynx]

10. That might work.

However, he would probably drop the Ohio part and just look at Wisconsin. Here in Wisconsin, there was quite a bit of questionable activity on our side. Democrats are not saints when it comes to clean elections.

[ClassWarrior]

13. The plea is being made to Puffy Jim in his role as Judiciary Chairman.

We don't have to emphasize Ohio to Jim. In fact, we should probably emphasize Washington State. But we need to demand NATIONWIDE investigations.

Your statement would probably even have extra credibility, since you don't believe there was demonstrable fruad, but you still believe our election systems are crap and need fixing.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

12. Bullshit. They guy's a worthless blowhard, but he came out against...

...the unPATRIOTic Act, so he must have some sort of shriveled little conscience. WHAT'S THE POINT OF GIVING UP WITHOUT EVEN TRYING?? Damn, look at this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=299227&mesg_id=299227

Rep. Conyers thinks that if we appeal to bi-partisan interests, Puffy Jim may come around. And while I don't trust him, I DO trust Rep. Conyers.

Besides, there's the old standby, "Aren't you supposed to represent ALL of your consitituents, Puffy Jim?"

NGU.

[Bill Bored]

3. Took the words right out of my mouth! Thanks! n/t

[AllyCat]

5. I'm in his district and while I doubt it will help,

there is nothing else I can think of to do. So I will write a letter and send it off to him.

Just so you all know, if you email him, you just get an auto-reply. Phone calls are useless too. You have to send snail mail or march into his office in Brookfield. Actually, marching into his office is not that bad an idea...

[low_phreaq]

6. Also this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x299227

"In the Judiciary committee the Ohio matter is the first step toward impeachment..."

[buddysmellgood]

8. Just because he doesn't listen doesn't mean we don't have to write.

It's our duty to fill his office with mail. I'm going to some meetings of like-minded folks. I'm taking paper, envelopes, stamps and suggestions for what a letter might say. We need to take a swing.

[Magrittes Pipe]

11. I ran against him last year.

It didn't accomplish much.

[paineinthearse]

14. Read a great letter

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x301796

[paineinthearse]

16. Hon. Green, (R) Wisconsin, 8th

Another member of the HJC is Green, of the 8th district. Any DU'ers there? Has anyone visited or contacted?