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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:32 PM
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Canadian reported killed as UN post hit by bomb
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 10:33 PM by MrPrax
Canadian reported killed as UN post hit by bomb

Four UN observers were killed Tuesday when an Israeli aerial bomb struck their base in southern Lebanon. There are unconfirmed reports a Canadian is among the dead.

A bomb directly hit the building of the observer force in the town of Khiyam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.
...
A senior Lebanese military official said the dead included observers from Canada, Austria, China and Finland.

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But, Israel's ambassador to the UN denied his country would deliberately target a UN post.

"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the hasty statement of the secretary-general, insinuating that Israel has deliberately targeted the U.N. post," said Dan Gillerman.

Gillerman said Israel would investigate: "We do not have yet information what caused this death: it could be the IDF (Israel's military), it could be Hezbollah."

CTV

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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:05 AM
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1. I wonder what...
Stephen has to say now...


:grr:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:54 AM
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5. It may well be interesting....
I would bet some of his advisors are telling him this is an "opportunity" to back off his initial statement of unequivocal support of Israel, criticize the specific incidence of the bombing of the UN observer post while still voicing support for Israel and blaming Hezbollah. They may well be saying it is time for harper to call for a cease-fire, showing he is not bush's puppet.

My bet is harper, with his arrogance and belief he is NEVER wrong, will ignore that advice, re-state his unquestioning support for Israel, wave away the death of yet another Canadian as an unfortunate accident and work to bury the story as soon as possible.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:44 AM
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2. This may interest you, or not. I hope it does, though.
I just got this in my email today. Oh, and thanks for the beers and the rocks in that other thread. And :yourock: too. :toast:

Standing up for Canada?
By David Orchard

For two weeks, tiny Lebanon has been pounded by bombs, shells and high tech missiles from land, sea and air. Its coast is blockaded, its airport smashed. Sixty plus bridges have been destroyed; roads, schools, ports, churches, mosques, grain depots, radio, television and telephone towers, ambulances, power stations, fuel depots, a hospital, milk factory, pharmaceutical plant and entire residential city blocks pulverized. Frantic relatives with bare hands try to free those buried alive.

Officially 384 Lebanese civilians are dead, one third of them children, thousands wounded, some 800,000 rendered homeless. The numbers are rising daily.

A million tourists, expats and “snowbirds,” including roughly 50,000 Canadians, were trapped in the country. Twenty fleeing civilians were burned alive by Israeli missiles after being ordered from their homes.

The Israeli government stated that the bombardment of its neighbour is a reaction to the capture of two of its soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas operating from Lebanon, and that its operations will continue indefinitely. Seventeen Israeli civilians have been killed by shells fired from Lebanon after Israel began bombing.

The Lebanese prime minister begs for international intervention and a cessation of hostilities saying his country has suffered “unimaginable losses” and is being “ripped to shreds.” Jan Egeland, UN Emergency Relief Coordinator, called the bombing “horrific” and “a violation of humanitarian law.” The secretary general of the United Nations, Kofi Annan, demands an immediate ceasefire: “The excessive use of force is to be condemned. Israel’s disproportionate use of force and collective punishment of the Lebanese people must stop.”

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Louise Arbour, issued a warning concerning war crimes. “International law demands accountability. The scale of killings in the region, and their predictability, could engage the personal criminal responsibility of those involved, particularly those in a position of command and control.”

Canada is a charter member of the United Nations with a long, active history in international affairs, peacekeeping and mediation. The current Canadian government was recently elected promising to “stand up for Canada.”

With 50,000 Canadians in harm’s way what has been our government’s response? Canada’s new UN ambassador, John McNee, told the Security Council that Israel’s action in Lebanon “was an exercise in its right to self-defence.” The minister of foreign affairs, Peter MacKay, refused point blank to endorse the secretary general’s call for a ceasefire. Prime Minister Stephen Harper stated: “Israel’s response, under the circumstances, has been measured.” He announced that it was “too early” to call for a ceasefire. These words, in essence, signalled a green light from Canada for the bombing to continue.

Eight visiting Canadians, including four children, were killed by Israeli bombs. The Canadian government made no protest. Is this Mr. Harper’s idea of “standing up for Canada?”

Anyone can understand the difficulty of putting together a mass evacuation under bombardment; what cannot be understood, or forgiven, is the refusal of our government to demand an end to the hostilities creating the chaos and suffering.

The Harper government’s abject response to the murder of Canadians and its refusal to demand an end to the bombing constitutes an abandonment of its duty to protect Canadians and to defend the rule of law on behalf of all humanity.

If one ignores that 400,000 Palestinians driven from their land have existed for decades in refugee camps in Lebanon; that Israel routinely crosses borders, captures and assassinates Palestinians, including elected leaders; that it has over 9,000 in its jails, including some Lebanese; and if one accepts Mr. Harper’s thesis that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, then a comparison could be made with Britain responding to the capture of two of its soldiers by the IRA in Northern Ireland by reducing Dublin’s airport and the rest of Ireland’s infrastructure to rubble. Who could defend that as a “measured” response?

Gideon Levy, writing in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, said, “In Gaza, a soldier is abducted from the army of a state that frequently abducts civilians from their homes and locks them up for years without a trial -- but only we’re allowed to do that. And only we’re allowed to bomb civilian population centres.”

Our government in Ottawa has, whether for reasons of religion or ideology, sided uncritically with a foreign government, in this case Israel’s, at the expense of our own national interests as Canadians and law abiding members of the world community.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 07:29 AM
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3. Wow, Excellent!
Good for David, he is absolutely correct, imo. Thanks for posting.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 07:52 AM
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4. This should end the "measured response" spin once and for all
A UN post that had been in near constant contact with Israel and the IDF, yet took 14 hits or near hits before being completely destroyed.

A Canadian killed as a result of the bombing.

The slow realization that Lebanon is being systematically destroyed, economically as well as physically.

Huge loss of Lebanese civilian lives.

And all this for a few captured soldiers??
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:18 AM
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6. At this point, I don't think the captured soldiers ever had much to do
with the reasons for what is obviously premeditated, utter destruction in the first place.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:49 AM
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8. Yup, I've been listening to Randi Rhodes on this
They've had this planned since last year some time, just waiting for some minor provocation (and approval from Cheney and the neocons in office).
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:19 AM
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7. Thank you, ID...
How do I go about getting good stuff like this in MY inbox?

:)
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 11:40 AM
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11. A good place to start...
www.davidorchard.com

That should get you going. While you're there, why not browse some of the other articles by himself or people who support his vision? I don't think there's one by Stompin' Tom Connors, but he's long been an Orchard fan. (I'd love to hear an anti-Harper campaign song from Stompin' Tom, actually -- that's the kind of thing that can change the whole feel of an election period.)

Or you can call toll free, 1-877-WE-STAND
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 10:56 AM
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9. Maybe I was premature...
or a little more depressed...

Orchard here is hardly flaky...but the depressing part is that this is one of the few prominient Canadians even saying anything remotely passionate about Israel's war crimes.

Orchard certainly puts all the hacks to shame.

Am I out of line to suggest that one of the quietest Canadian voices in all this is Stephen Lewis?

He's Mr. UN and seems to get all bent out of shape and indignant over AIDS funding...wonder how he feels about this perfectly preventable cause killing children?

Come on, Stephen Lewis or Romero Dallaire...any of you got an opinion about what Israel did to your beloved UN...or do you still figure that international law is whatever the Zionist state decides it and you guys will go on, dopping tears from your eyes, as you speak eloquently for the need of ALL those OTHER nations to follow the law, their conscience, think of children, and the rest of your pointless bullshit.

...at least Louise Arbour spoke out until she was told to shut up.

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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 11:23 AM
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10. Ah, now, don't be depressed.
David has been selling a lot of Liberal memberships over the last few months, if you get my drift. He wants to find a way to get this message out, a way that won't be ignored by the corporate media. None of the current leadership hopefuls is saying or has said anything remotely like this, though I'm sure there must be one or two who agree, and that's doubtless because they want to see, in their mealy-mouthed way, which way the popular wind blows just in case their prospects might be adversely affected. David, on the other hand, is quite realistic about his prospects and -- never reticent in the first place -- has decided to speak openly, knowing he doesn't have that much to lose. And god knows, someone with some prominence has to publicly oppose Harper's policies, even if, as you say, Stephen Lewis and Romeo Dallaire are conspicuously silent.

In a Liberal leadership race that includes both former NDP premier Bob Rae and former PC MP Scott Brison, an announcement from David Orchard shouldn't seem that much out of line.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 11:49 AM
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12. Why federal liberals?
Who is Orchard supporting in the leadership campaign if he doesn't run?

Gerard Kennedy is the best of the bunch and seems a lot more Progressive than most of the breathers currently collecting MP salaries for the NDP, especially Layton.

In fact, I was going to get a liberal party membership out to help Kennedy, but here in Vancouver, there isn't a lot of Kennedy supporters that I can find in my liberal rolodex.

Besides, I am helping out with the InSite lobby at the moment -- I am shooting a promotional VNR for them with my spare time...so I wouldn't have a lot of time for the next 6 weeks to help out Kennedy or Orchard for that matter.

I'll PM you with an email address, so that you can put me on Orchard's list if you want. I would like to get his material.

It's odd--back in the old days when Orchard was known as the Free Trade Crusader and doing the '5 dollar' Prairie populist meet-ups, which were fun and a lot more passionate than anything the other Council of Canadians were doing, Orchard for some reason was really big with....wait for it...the card-carrying commies. I stop counting how many of the old CPC hacks I met, that really loved the guy.

He had a strange base back then...red tories, anarchists, Prairie democrats, commies and a bunch of granolas. LOL

Hell at this point...he can run country as well as anyone.

Except Gerard Kennedy :evilgrin:
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:17 PM
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13. I'm really torn, you know?
Gerard Kennedy has been my MPP for years and he's excellent, plus he didn't embarrass himself as our education minister. He's charismatic, bright, a good communicator (good thing he's brushing up on his French this summer), possesses cabinet experience, and is from the leftward side of the party. If David doesn't run himself, I hope he supports Kennedy.

I'll check my PMs and email you his phone number in Saskatchewan, in case you want to suss him out yourself for which candidate he supports (good luck with that). In the meantime, you can get contact info from www.davidorchard.com.

I'm not surprised that he's loved by the CPC (and not the other CPC that currently runs the country; have the Communists sued the Conservatives over use of their abbreviation? I know that former PCers are legally banned from using the abbreviation PC, by edict from Jean-Pierre Kingsley over at Elections Canada). Back when Diefenbaker was PM, he was called "The Prairie Bolshevik" by some, including people in the Liberal party. There was a long tradition of left-wing populism in the old party that was never comfortable with troglodytes like Myron Thompson, Jack Horner, the absolutely horrible Craig Chandler, etc.



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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:14 PM
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15. Harper? "Stand up for Canada" (??)!!
When?

If that disgusting narcissick puppet wasn't so pathetic, and that, because of him and his ilk, Canada is losing citizens, soldiers, and more and more support throughout the world, day after day since the last elections, I would just have a very hard time to stop laughing.

Poor Canada...

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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:50 PM
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16. The title was ironic, of course.
Funny that Harper made so large a fuss about some drunken morons pissing on the war memorial on Canada Day, when he himself has been pissing on Canada's citizenry and international reputation every day since he took office.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:13 PM
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17. To me (and I'm not the only one), Harper must also come from...
the Klingon Imperial Neocon Federation (re: the only post in my Journal, although the "story" is a fiction, of course, but what if?).

That Bush's a**-kisser must be defeated in the next election.<

The problem is: When will it be(??) :grr:
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:08 AM
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23. Follow Up
I thought you might be interested, but this Orchard piece has gone international -- sorta

Information Clearing House

It is a good piece and one of the better ones they have listed there (mind you they got a lot of polemical stuff there too...but I don't agree...I agree with most of it ;-)
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Logiola Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:02 PM
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14. Harper has some hard questions about the un post bombing..
his big question is why it was still manned during a war.. nice

"He said he wants to find out why the UN post was attacked, but also why "it remained manned during what is now, more or less, a war."




http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/25/un-lebanon.html
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:35 PM
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18. Ahhh, already trying to blame the UN instead of who ACTUALLY
bombed the post and killed the 4 UN observers. He is a fast learner and should earn the position as the replacement poodle for bush as soon as Blair is removed from the picture.

Pathetic, truly pathetic.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 07:10 PM
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21. When I saw him say that I wanted to throw up!
The slimy creep is as much as blaming the U.N. people for their own deaths!
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:24 PM
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22. Ditto...with chunks
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 09:24 PM by MrPrax
Maybe they were a little premature in locking that Toronto terrorist fellow up....

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:37 PM
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19. So typical of him to blame the victim.
What an asshat.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:58 PM
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20. He was your soldier, Harper
Why don't you ask your minister of defense, moron? He will probably say:

"They were U.N. observers, and they were observing. Plus, it ain't too easy to get out of Lebanon anyway."

Harper looks more and more pathetic as a leader as this goes on.
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