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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:10 PM
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I doubt I'll be visiting the US in the next four years.
How about you?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:11 PM
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1. Do you have a room you can spare?
I will send my kids up there now before the draft is inacted.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:21 PM
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3. If you need help in Calgary, maybe I can help out.
But I've filled up all the available rooms with my own kids, sadly.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:13 PM
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6. It is a real possiblity
My wife and I discussed it last night and said at least the oldest would go somewhere, soon to be 18.
Her passport is uptodate and we discussed France.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:14 PM
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2. That's ok... WE'LL ALL come to YOU!
Believe me, I'm fighting the desire to fill out the immigration papers!

I'm scared.. Really, I truly am. But, I guess there is some honor in fighting a just cause--even if one loses in every way possible...My biggest fear is being unable to live with myself and what horrors my country may do in MY name...
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:22 PM
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4. that's because you're on the no-fly list, duh!
don't worry about us visiting either. I'm sure they'll eventually get around to closing the border to keep us peasants from leaving if we don't have proof that we've already served two years in the draft.

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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:29 PM
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5. I live 10 mins from the border
and I have not been to the USa since 9/11...fascism is too fucking scarey.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:32 PM
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7. had to go in spring 2003
My dad had a trailer near Daytona and after he returned here suddenly in the winter of 2003 and then died, I and some family members had to go down to deal with his stuff.

(He was there more out of self-exile during difficult times in my parents' marriage than out of any desire to live in the US, which he was finding increasingly hard to do. He'd just learned how to email, and when both my brother and I sent him a copy of "Hu's on First" in late 2002, he made a point of showing it to all the old Republican farts in the trailer park vicinity. Stupid? Not Bush, surely!)

I didn't want to be there then, don't plan to go back anytime soon. Too bad, because there are places to go, and things and people to see, in the US, and I like doing both, and the US is a handy place to do it. I've driven all over the eastern half of the country over the years, and some more western parts (but no, I won't be sad about not going to Texas again).

It's important to do, actually. All foreign travel is good, and seeing the *real* country south of us, not just the television shows, is a good idea. Not that there's too much left of the real country anyhow ... and not that enough Canadians who visit the US venture away from the chain restaurants and hotels, and tourist meccas, to see it, and both to understand that it truly is different from here and to get to know what it is -- the good, the bad and the ugly.



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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:15 AM
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11. The "Real" country.
"Not that there's too much left of the real country anyhow ... and not that enough Canadians who visit the US venture away from the chain restaurants and hotels, and tourist meccas, to see it, and both to understand that it truly is different from here and to get to know what it is -- the good, the bad and the ugly."

I think you just pointed out that most Canadians are not going to go see the other parts of the country besides the chain stores. I've been to parts of the country where there is not a store or hardly any civilization in sight. Orlando might have had a lot of chain stores, but I felt like I was in another country then being surrounded by all those Spanish speakers and just a different atmosphere all together. Then of course there's the nature, different forms of entertainment, and other non-commercial stores that Americans embrace. I guess you'd have to live here to see what I'm talking about. We're not McDonalds!
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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:32 AM
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8. Nope
I'm boycotting America until they get their act together. No offense, guys. I love your cities.
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:43 AM
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9. That's just petty and stupid
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 09:46 AM by Canadian_moderate
Why not just limit your visits to the blue states? You know, the ones that border eastern Canada and the ones on the left coast.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:18 AM
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12. Because.....
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:41 AM by Jackie97
Just because a state turned red doesn't mean that a hell of a lot of people didn't vote for Kerry. For the first time in years, I think North Carolina nearly went to the Democratic candidate. The percentage for Kerry was up to 40% percent, while the percentage for Bush was about 50 percent.

The truth is that a hell of a lot of people got out to vote this year, desperate to stop the "other side". All being a red or blue state means in many cases is that they technically went to one candidate. Not all of them are states where just about everybody voted for one candidate.

It would be really wrong to divide the US by the blue and red states. If it was that easy, then the blue states might seriously consider becoming their own country right now.

Edited: I just wanted to say two things. First, there's a chance that voter fraud has been involved. Therefore, there's a chance that Bush cheated the election again. If that's not the case, do you all realize that the Bush supporters outnumbered us by a little more than 3 million people? That's it!

Otherwise, you know what this really is?

It's pretty much fifty percent of the country up agains the other fifty percent.

I understand the need for a boycott. I personally wish the European leaders would try something like that instead of kneeling down to Bush lately. At the same time I think it SUCKS that 50 percent of the States has to be isolated and treated badly by the rest of the world because of the actions of the other 50 percent. I wish there was some way for us to be with the rest of the world instead of having to be put through this.

I'm not saying this just out of self-interest. I'm saying this because being isolated by one's country and the world SUCKS.

Sorry, I'll stop ranting my American crap on the Canadian forum now.
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Mother Jones Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:56 AM
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10. Agreed....
We've cancelled a trip to Vegas in spring to be married.

Yes, I thought about the blue-state-support issue, but the bottom line is, we can't, in good conscience, support bush's economy.
Sorry...we love ya, we embrace you, but no can do.
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