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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:05 PM
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New Grewal fraud: fake translation
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 10:06 PM by jim3775
A new fraud from the CON party.

A new blog called Buckets of Grewal has been set up to investigate the Grewal affair form a progressive perspective. http://bucketsofgrewal.blogspot.com/">LINK

He(?) managed to find a native punjabi speaker to independently translate a part of the tape. The new translation was very different from the "official" one put out by the conservatives.


One of the most widely circulated quotes in this affair has Ujjal Dosanjh saying "Cabinet right away". This is taken to be either a promise or a hint of a promise of a future cabinet post for Grewal. The problem, however, is that most of this conversation is in Punjabi. It seems, however, that not only has the editing of the tapes been done in a misleading way, but so too has the translation/transcription.

(snip)

The conservatives released a new tape on June 1; and a new transcript on June 5. (snip)...the yellow hi-liter shows what has been added there. (The blue line marks where this new transcript is missing something that can be heard on the new tape.)



It now appears that not everything what was in the new tape made its way into the new transcript. "Raj", a native Punjabi speaker, answered my call for help with translating. He says that what he hears here is quite different (I quote his transcription/translation, putting in bold what has been left out at the blue line in the preceding scan):


UD: . . .I think this (Belinda's crossing the floor) has made it easier for you . . .(inaudible)
GG: Yes, that is true. But two things have become clear because of this.
UD: . . infact. . ..huh?
GG: Two things have become clear. One is it's easier, and the second is they can't say that we will do something later, because they have done right away, for her.
UD: Cabinet can't happen right away.
GG: hmm hmm
UD: Cabinet can't happen right away.
GG: Cabinet can happen right away.
Otherwise (inaudible) . . . in order for parliament to work, they have shortage of members, in the meetings.
UD: (inaudible) you don't want to lose the advantage. If you do cabinet right away you lose the advantage of numbers. Those are the issues.


What has been left out here completely changes the meaning of the exchange. Dosanjh did not offer or hint at offering 'cabinet right away', as both the first and second (supposedly correct) transcripts suggest. Quite the contrary. He insisted that a cabinet post was impossible. This had presumably been the position he had tekn the night before, when the two met for Pizza. But things had dramatically changed since that meeting. Only two hours before Dosanjh and Grewal meet the Belinda bomb-shell explodes. Grewal had been told that an immediate cabinet position was impossible. Now he sees it is not impossible for her and insists on getting the same deal that Belinda got.


"Buckets" is doing some damn good work over there.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:13 PM
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1. Jeez, is there anything
about the tapes that ISN'T faked??
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