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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:23 AM
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From China: What we have to look forward to under ID Cards
I work for Londonist, as I'm sure you all know. This was on our sister site Shanghaiist:

http://www.shanghaiist.com/archives/2005/07/15/no_surprise_zha.php

An uncontrolled leak of ID Card information as celebrity gossip.

ID photos in China are first taken at the age of 16, and then every 10 years after that. Some of the “celebrities” said they would take legal action against whoever posted the photos (although if China Daily is printing the pics, it doesn’t seem like any legal action would be successful). “This is really an abnormal event,” CCTV anchorman Zhao Zhongxiang said. “I can not bear it and I think I will seek legal help.”


Think our system would be any more secure? If a totalitarian state can't handle it ...

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:27 AM
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:30 AM
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3. What does...
What does "socialised medicine" have to do with ID cards?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:40 AM
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8. What does 'fact checker' have to do with a Democratic board?
"why the Dems want to socialize our country" - he's not even trying to look vaguely sympathetic to the Democrats.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:50 AM
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9. It was an obvious troll in retrospect n/t
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:50 AM
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13. Well, I alerted on him for a start, and I rarely do that.
He was sloppy.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:57 AM
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14. Not as sloppy as another thread
He actually posted 10 talking points on the Rove/Plame/Wilson stuff with a link to gop.com.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:37 AM
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6. What's wrong with socialised medicine?
Or, to put it another way, "free healthcare"?
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:28 AM
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16. Wow, I missed all the excitement
Have we ever had a Freeper post in the U.K. forum before? This might be a first.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:29 AM
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2. No2ID
Simplest solution from my point of view is to not play the game.

http://www.no2id.net/
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:31 AM
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4. Signed the petition, and signed the pledge.
They can take me to court frankly. But I won't be the first.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:34 AM
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5. That's the spirit n/t
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:35 AM
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17. Signed
:)
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:40 AM
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7. Blair and his Cabal always seem to be dazzled by the science. They
have companies who are looking for the contracts producing fantastic presentations about the technology, then out comes Blair to a press conference saying that the scheme is fool proof. Nothing is infallible. it never has or will be, and its worrying that our PM sometimes believes this to be the case.

Clarke like Blunkett before him has also been caught up in the exciting world of the security services. The security lobby within Westminster is highly powerful with no politician daring to criticise any of them, not even when incompetent or corrupt.

Their only concern is security, which becomes Clarkes ONLY concern which then passes into legislation. Whereas the rest of us have corresponding concerns like not living under a stasi like regime.

This period following the London bombs will be a test for those of us passionate about our freedoms.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:08 AM
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10. that's one of the conditions of mankind, isn't it?
take a problem we create and continuously make it worse by applying engineering technology to it.

or -- fix the hole by digging a bigger hole.
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Alien8ed Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:13 AM
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11. Internal Passports
For a start, lose the whole "ID card" advertising slant on the thing. In China, they are the same, Internal Passports that Josef Stalin taught Mao how to use. They serve the same purposes, too, as they do in many other Soviet legacy locations.

They are used as a control mechanism, and in their day, they had an advertising campaign of their own, too. Follow me here, and you might find it entertaining. I know that I do.

The story was - and still is, by the way - that you, by which I mean you, yourself, sitting there, desperately WANT to live in the wondrous, egalitarian totalitarianality of a Soviet system.

The place is irrelevant.

It's the dazzling Chinese rural health clinics to which prospective patients must bring not only much money, in cash, to bribe nurses for exotic items like Band-Aids and tissues, but must pack their own pharmacy, as well. THOSE are what you have a lust to obtain.

You stay awake at night, plotting, under your tattered sheets, with flickering flashlights, scribbling covert methods of obtaining the thrill of standing in line for six hours to get the permission stamp upon your papers which will allow you to stand in line for ten hours to get the next stamp in line, and if you're as lucky as the average Ukrainian, you might find that a luxurious allocation of ten cubic meters of concrete-floored housing has been your glorious reward, although it might be decades before graft and corruption allow more than the foundation of that building to be installed. But, you seethe with desire for it.

You would chew your way through barbed wire, leap tank traps, swim rivers and navigate Alpine glaciers in winter to get the ten-kopek-an-hour rate on ping-pong table rentals in a Russian park. Though there may be not net, though the table is shattered, thought the paddles are stripped of facings and the balls are sorely dented, you would brave deserts of hazard to obtain that especial joy.

For your lust, your seething envy, your plotting and your greed, it is NECESSARY for good citizens to guard themselves. Against your predacious intentions the governments of whole nations must act upon those citizens' behalves.

And so, there are Internal Passports, which must be carried at all times, in all places, and without which the next stop is jail. Frequent checks are enacted to assure state security that only good citizens and not you nefarious plotters are enjoying the glories of the nations' prides. Refusal to provide that passport upon demand at any time and in any place is to join the ranks of sinister co-conspirators, who are known to be active on your evilly intentioned behalves. They are instantly arrested to prevent you from overturning the wonderful lifestyle which you envy so much.

It is known that your envy has driven you to hatred of innocent children and harmless adults. Every ill that occurs is swiftly laid at your doorstep, and the march of glory goes on.

For seventy-five years, that particular story has filled the schoolroom lectures of more than a third of the world.

Yet, in 2004, within five minutes, I saw an East European woman face down a policeman who asked for her Internal Passport by rearing up and demanding to know, "Why? What do you think that I've done, you idiot?!", and overheard two American businessmen in an outdoor cafe, fifteen feet away from her, assure each other, "With the ID Cards, we'll be safer, from them."

What goes around may come around.

But some things require volunteers.



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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:31 AM
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12. Welcome to DU, Alien8ed.
:hi:
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:15 AM
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15. A nice and thorough analysis of the
mindset and political logic that will coerce us into a totalitarian nightmare.

If your not normal there must be something dangerous about you. Conform and obey. why don't you want to obey? The state is your protector, why weould you want to act against the Britsh state?
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:36 AM
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18. Welcome to DU...
...and the United Kingdom forum. :hi:
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