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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:07 AM
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Madsen just sent me another email--wants to know about Dmitri Papushin
Here's copy of email:

Found on DU. Says a Russian guy named Dmitri Papushin knows codes for voting machines. Maybe he is the one that taught techs how to rig election?
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"Thanks, saw that -- I've got to find out where he is now."

w.m.
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Any knowledge of where Papushin is, contact Wayne Madsen at:

WMadsen777@aol.com
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:11 AM
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1. Found him
Sent info to Wayne.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:15 AM
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2. Found This
http://creditsuit.org/credit.php/P40/

“Thieves, thieves—tramps and thieves?

Harris traced the implementation of the double set of books to October 13, 2000, not long after embezzler Jeffrey Dean became Diebold’s senior programmer. Dean was hired as Vice President of Research and Development in September, 2000, adding that Dean’s access to the company’s programs is well documented through internal memos from Diebold.

Immediately after Dean joined Diebold, according to corporate memos, another Diebold programmer, Dmitri Papushin, flagged bogus votes appearing in vote tables; but after a dozen changes before the November 2000 election, all the changes retained the new hidden vote tables! And this has continued up to the present, according to Harris, who says anyone can use or sell the information.

BlackBoxVoting.org’s associate director Andy Stephenson obtained the court records of Jeffrey Dean which noted that the King County, Washington prosecutor was after him for over $500,000 in restitution.
...”

Snip ......
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:17 AM
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3. Thanks guys! Keep posting and send info to Wayne!
I'll send him a link to this thread
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:30 AM
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4. His name is spelled Dimitry Papushin
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:33 AM
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5. two emails found
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 12:33 AM by HR_Pufnstuf
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:37 AM
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6. Iredale, Lancaster and Papushin
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:x6w3b04hKvgJ:www.ballotintegrity.org/Electronic%2520Voting%2520Critical%2520Issues.doc+Dmitry+Papushin+contact&hl=en

No Security Vetting of Election Machine Programmers: Many of the Diebold programmers are not citizens or residents of the United States. Some are outside contractors, not employees. Talbot R. Iredale, who has been a stockholder in the election company, is one of the key programmers. The Windows files, which appear to have been changed, are found in a file that is referenced to Iredale's own computer hard drive. Another key programmer is Dmitry Papushin. Some of the optical scan software was written by Guy Lancaster. Both Iredale and Lancaster live in Vancouver, Canada.57
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:56 AM
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7. more on iredale and his buddies..
http://www.dangerouscitizen.com/Articles/904.aspx

Charles Hong Lee was also involved with something called "The Vancouver Maneuver," a stock pump & dump scheme that bilked investors out of millions in connection with an entertainment company and something called Beverly Development.

Charles Hong Lee was a principal with Global Election Systems, along with the late Clinton Rickards.

Talbot Iredale, currently the V.P. for Research and Development for Diebold Election Systems, began with the company in 1991, right around the time the Vancouver Maneuver was exposed in Barron's magazine. This is the pedigree from whence the Diebold Memos arose.

Sophia Lee, who may or may not be related to Charles Hong Lee, was in San Luis Obispo County, California on the day that a vote tally mysteriously popped up on the Internet five hours before the polls closed. She is the support tech for King County, Washington which Diebold principal engineer Ken Clark refers to as being "famous" for doing "end runs" around the voting system using a Microsoft Access hack, and her name is referenced in a strange series of memos for Volusia County, Florida in which programmers and techs discuss the unexplained appearance of an illicit set of votes that replaced the correct set.

This was the notorious 16,022 votes which were removed from Al Gore's tally on election night when a mysterious, and now "lost" memory card uploaded and overwrote the correct totals.

These disappearing votes were noticed by a clerk, who set alarm bells ringing and the tally was corrected, but Diebold programmers now say, in the memos, that the replacement vote upload can't be found.

They concede that an extra vote upload was done, and Vice President of Research Talbot Iredale says in the memos that it may have been illicit.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:58 AM
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8. Thanks for all of this info!
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:59 AM
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9. ur welcome.
besta luck.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:59 AM
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10. Kick
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:10 AM
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11. email response, etc
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 02:20 AM by GetTheRightVote
Chronological Index (200001)

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Last update: Wed Feb 19 16:52:07 2003
155 messages in chronological order

link to listing of several (don't know if new or old or needed):

http://sciris.shu.edu/~moorerob/diebold/support.w3archive/200001/index.html#00095

This email conversations lead me to believe that they could changes things around a little bit, if they are able to move precinct information around with only a few key clicks on the keyboard or am I misreading this email ???

RE: Piman - Num. Copies of Memory Cards need to be Increased

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To: <support@gesn.com>
Subject: RE: Piman - Num. Copies of Memory Cards need to be Increased
From: "Mike Brown" <mike@gesn.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:45:21 -0600
Importance: Normal
In-reply-to: <NCBBIGGNCKBDKCCGPEOAGENADBAA.ken@gesn.com>

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There was confusion; the problem didn’t have any thing to do with the Number of Mem cards field. The problem was Support Person not knowing enough about GEMS. I should have figured out what Brian was talking about. Brian wanted to move his Report Precincts to more than one Vote Center. What he was doing wrong was holding the shift key down when he moved his Report Precincts into the Vote Center. All this accomplishes is moving the Report Precinct from one Vote Center to another, not copying them to each Vote Center. To fix Brian’s problem, all he had to do was hold the CTRL key down and drag his Report Precincts from the "Polling Vote Center <default VC>" to the Multiple Vote Centers. This will in turn copy the Report Precincts to each of their respected Vote Centers.



If I am not clear on this, then whoever is supposed to be teaching the Support People how to Support please stand up and explain clearer.


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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:30 AM
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12. Papushin/Diebold/TX article
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 02:32 AM by rainbow4321
Scroll down towards bottom of the link:

http://bushvchoice.blogs.com/bvc/2004/10/cause_its_more_.html

Immediately after <Jeffrey> Dean joined Diebold, according to corporate memos, another Diebold programmer, Dmitri Papushin, flagged bogus votes appearing in vote tables; but after a dozen changes before the November 2000 election, all the changes retained the new hidden vote tables! And this has continued up to the present, according to Harris, who says anyone can use or sell the information.

Dean told prosecutors (whose offices were on the ninth floor of the King County courthouse) that he was unemployed, when in fact he was working for Diebold who afforded him with 24-hour access to Diebold's King County. Washington GEMS central tabulator, according to Stephenson. (Dean worked on the GEMS tabulator on the fifth
floor of the same King County courthouse!)

<snip>

Unfortunately, New York Attorney General Elliott Spitzer is not employed by the state of Washington. Stephenson says that Jeffrey Dean (by his own admission) is subject to blackmail; but more critically, his embezzlement charges in the police record indicate he was involved in " 'sophisticated' manipulation of computer accounting records," and that "he was embezzling in order to pay blackmail over a fight he was involved in, in which a person died."

<snip>

Some would consider it strange that both GEMS and Austin-based Hart InterCivic are both based in the Lone Star state. But not when one considers that Hart is backed by wealthy Republican Texas investor Tom Hicks of Stratford Capital Partners. Hicks' primary investment company Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst coordinated the 1998 purchase of Major League Baseball's Texas Rangers from George W. Bush and his partners, in which Dubya pocketed a $14.9 million profit from his original but controversial $1 million Harken Energy stock sale just days before Gulf War I hostilities commenced.


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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:49 AM
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13. Still reading emails but concerned with some of them
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 02:50 AM by GetTheRightVote
I am a programmer and reading thru these emails is getting me to be very concerned about code that they were creating. They seem to be having problems with the final results being summed into one report.
Email message:

"Currently, in order for us to be able to Import totals into Gems, they need to run a Precinct by Precinct report to disk. This took about 20 minutes for the Amendment Election, and I am sure it will take much longer for their Primary Election. They can create a Summary Report in less than a minute, and that is what they would like us to Import into Gems. I know that in order to create a Summary Report in Gems, you need the totals from each individual Reporting Precinct, Race, & Candidate. But is there a way that we can take their Summary Report and merge our Summary Report to get 1 Grand Total, since this is all they are looking to give to the Media during the night, without having to create a Precinct by Precinct Report from their system??? Or possibly, is there a way that we can Export our totals, so they can Import them into their system and do all the reporting on their side???

Also, when they did create a Precinct by Precinct Report to disk from their system, the file is too big for the disk and looses some of the Precincts at the end. I had to have them create 2 disks for me, and then using DOS, I merged those 2 files into 1 so it was correct for Gems.

Another downfall was that when we Imported their results, whether it was a zero report, or a report with totals just for 1 precinct, our report stated that we had 100% of the precincts reporting.

Since alot of this is to blame for the short comings of their system, I didn't know whether to write these items up as RCR's or to just let people know what El Paso is complaining about. Please let me know if I should put these into the RCR list.

Thanks,

Jeff Hintz
Global Election Systems"

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:11 AM
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15. More emails here
Don't know if you've seen these:

"Index of Diebold Mailing Lists" here at this link with tons of e-mails spanning 1999-2003 with Dimitry Papushin and Sophia Lee, and numerous others. A lot of code stuff. Some interesting e-mails.

http://www.hacksonville.org/diebold/lists.html

Example of e-mail here: Re-download memory cards (RE: GBS/Wisconsin, State of)
Excerpt: “Also note that this feature interacts badly with the (mis)feature that you can change race and candidate labels after set-for-election. As has been discussed before, this should not be allowed, but is currently allowed by popular demand. Unfortunately, this confuses the signature mechanism, since the memory card contents really have changed. If you change the labels while set-for-election, then unset, those affected memory cards will need to be re-downloaded.

Finally, don't let this new feature change the way you think about set-for-election. This has been my greatest concern with providing a recovery mechanism. If you use the feature, you have to take responsibility for programming those cards that need it. When all memory cards were clobbered, you knew exactly where you stood. You collected all your cards in one place and started reprogramming. Now you have to make sure that the few cards that needed to be reprogrammed aren't sitting in an AccuVote somewhere waiting to get shipped to the polling place. They won't upload if they are the wrong version. If this sounds scary you, it should. If you don't feel this is manageable, just say no to the recover prompt to get the old GEMS "clobber everything" behaviour.

In short, take unsetting seriously. It is there for your protection.

Ken”


This Index Of Diebold Mailing list came from a link at why-war.com article:
Why War “Targeting Diebold with Electronic Civil Disobedience” with excerpts of Diebold e-mail. Nothing on Papushin here, but links to more stuff.

http://why-war.com/features/2003/10/diebold.html#excerpts

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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:23 AM
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17. Check out this site.
You can download the actual GEMS software and use it, and you can open real databases from past elections.

The author of the site has also collected some of the most damning e-mails from Diebold, which are at the bottom of the page.

Definately worth a look.

http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html
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americanwoman Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 05:05 AM
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22. Keep reading ...
"I am a programmer and reading thru these emails is getting me to be
very concerned about code that they were creating."


Then keep reading, GetTheRightVote. It's just going to make you sick. If you haven't yet, see this: http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm

Or read this bit from the bbv book: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:aYU5NGeY7PcJ:thoughtcrimes.org/bbv/bbv_chapter-5.pdf+%22programmers+can+think+up+back+doors+faster+than+anyone%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:03 AM
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14. This should have its own thread n/t
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:18 AM
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16. Shadow vote set up in code/GEMS
Perhaps we had a shadow election similiar to the one they set up here in this email:

(This) RCR (is) essentially a "vote once count twice" paradigm. GEMS now has new race types Shadow and Shadowed to accomplish this. Shadowed races sit on the ballot exactly on top of some precinct-wide shadow race. That is, they "shadow" the real race. The catch is that shadowed races can have different parties or split districts, and can hence generate different card ids even though the artwork "looks" the same. On reports, shadowed races appear just like any other race.

The user interface for creating shadow races is a little like recall races. To use shadow races, you need to set up a shadow race that is on all cards of a precinct. For Anchorage, the shadow race would be an area wide district race.

Next, create shadowed races and set the controlling race to the shadow race. Shadowed races do not have a candidate tab, nor have any layout options. These are maintained by the controlling race. The shadowed races should be set up for some subset of the ballots in the precinct. For Anchorage, it would be a race with the service area district, and might split some precincts.

When ballots are generated, separate cards will be created for the splits/parties of the shadowed races. You don't need to do anything special in layout. If you manually move a shadow race on a card, the shadowed race will be automatically "moved" with it. The shadowed races are not actually drawn, but layout and download know they are there.

There is no need for any ROM upgrade to take advantage of shadow races. To the AccuVote they are just races on the card that happen to have the same voting positions. We are still working on the AccuVote 2.0 firmware that will provide an alternate way of handling California and Alaska, but in the mean time shadow races will do the trick without the necessity of a ROM upgrade.

The AccuVote-TS doesn't yet support shadow races. We'll get to that in plenty of time for early voting in California however.

LINK: http://sciris.shu.edu/~moorerob/diebold/support.w3archive/200001/msg00130.html
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:32 AM
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18. Is this guy still with Diebold? Anyone know?
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:37 AM
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19. I'd like to see someone track down Joe McGinnis
Remember this little story?

http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=3748

Board awaits state followup
By ERIN MILLER, The Evening Leader. November 6, 2004

WAPAKONETA Auglaize County Board of Election members say they have not heard any more from the state regarding a possible investigation after receiving notice of being placed on administrative oversight last week.

"Absolutely nothing," board member Diana Hausfeld said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon when asked if the board had received any information about the investigation

Election Board Director Jean Burklo, in her office Wednesday morning, said she has not received any information from Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell's office since notice of the board being placed on administrative oversight arrived late on Oct. 30.

James Lee, spokesperson for the secretary of state's office, said last week the specific conditions of the administrative oversight and reasons for the oversight were available after Tuesday's election. Lee said Wednesday afternoon the Secretary of State's office was focusing its efforts on assisting county elections boards with processing and counting provision ballots.

"These other issues will be addressed in the coming weeks," Lee said.

In a letter dated Oct. 21, Ken Nuss, former deputy director of the Auglaize County Board of Elections, claimed that Joe McGinnis, a former employee of Election Systems and Software (ES&S), the company that provides the voting system in Auglaize County, was on the main computer that is used to create the ballot and compile election results, which would go against election protocol. Nuss claimed in the letter that McGinnis was allowed to use the computer the weekend of Oct. 16.

Nuss, who resigned from his job Oct. 21 after being suspended for a day, was responsible for overseeing the computerized programming of election software, according to his job description. His resignation is effective Nov. 11.

The letter also included allegations that Burklo released a sheet from a petition packet filed by Auglaize County Common Pleas Judge Frederick Pepple last December.
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WiseFawn Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:03 PM
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23. I've been wondering about this one
There are so many stories and no follow ups! This is a great thread!!
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:52 AM
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20. Interesting Charlie Rose poster
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:58 AM
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21. Awesome work, y'all n/t
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