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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:24 AM
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TX Diebold meeting video
I posted this IN a thread here but also wanted to see if it could get a thread of it's own started...sorry if it goes against blogging etiquette or anything. Given what has come out with Texas being one of the padded repuke vote states, the tone of these guys not being concerned about touch screen/software heard in this meeting take on a whole new meaning..


http://safevoting.org /

Take a peek at the meeting video snippits in this link..it's probably surfaced but thought it needed to be brought up again given the Texas voting padding stuff coming out. CLOSED door Diebold meeting Jan 2004 in Texas with phrases used like "the race isn't going to match the tally, is that OK with everyone" when they were practicing with the machines. Pretty damn scary how matter-of-fact they are with everything that will probably go wrong with people's voting!!! Guess cuz they already KNEW what the problems would be and who they would benefit...
Other highlights:

Diebold acknloweding that they, and they alone, will decide when changes to their code are "significant" enough to disclose to public officials;
* A test run resulting in e-voting tallies that do not match;
* Admitting that some e-voting machines have trouble adding correctly; and
* Acknowledging that it is sometimes possible for voters to cast multiple votes on a ballot, and that those ballots may end up being throw out in court because of machine errors.

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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:35 AM
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1. thanks for the link n/t
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:42 AM
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2. Rainbow! Caught red
handed! Where'd you find this?? THIS is (yet another) smoking gun! And a perfect example of actionable fraud. Unbelievable. No, I take that back: believable. Which is why I'm going to run to find my barf bag.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:47 AM
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3. Just googling around..
I had found it pre-election at one point..put it on another blog that I followed at the time...but I didn't start on DU til a week after Black Tuesday. With all the padding stuff surfacing now I googled Diebold and Texas tonight and saw the link again in the list of results and wanted to share. The video sends more chills thru me now than it did the first time I watched it, with everything that is popping up lately.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:20 PM
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11. Diebold Internal Mail Confirms U.S. Vote Count Vulnerabilities
From a Sept 2003 webpage article


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00106.htm


Scoop has obtained internal mail messages from Diebold Election Systems which clearly and explicitly confirm security problems in the GEMS vote counting software that were highlighted in reports published on Scoop.co.nz and widely elsewhere in July.

In the internal mail Diebold Election Systems principal engineer R&D Ken Clark - then working for Global Election Systems before Diebold took the company over - responded to an internal query over a security problem. The official certification laboratory responsible for assessing the voting technology company software's robustness had noticed a problem, and a staff member was seeking Clark's advice.

Diebold Election Systems technical writer R&D Nel Finberg wrote to the "support" list on 16th October 2001: "Jennifer Price at Metamor (about to be Ciber) has indicated that she can access the GEMS Access database and alter the Audit log without entering a password. What is the position of our development staff on this issue? Can we justify this? Or should this be anathema?"

Clark: "Right now you can open GEMS' .mdb file with MS-Access, and alter its contents. That includes the audit log. This isn't anything new. In VTS, you can open the database with progress and do the same. The same would go for anyone else's system using whatever database they are using. Hard drives are read-write entities. You can change their contents. Now, where the perception comes in is that its right now very *easy* to change the contents. Double click the .mdb file. Even technical wizards at Metamor (or Ciber, or whatever) can figure that one out."




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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:08 AM
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4. kick
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:17 AM
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5. I'll review this tomorrow.
For now it's late.
:kick:
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:25 AM
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6. Cool Video!
Thanks for posting!
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:46 AM
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7. kick
for the sake of sanity
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:48 AM
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8. nice clip but it would be nice to see the whole meeting
I hate not knowing the whole context of things
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:25 AM
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10. I've looked for more of the video but....

All I can find is the posted clip. Apparently, the whole video had to be gotten thru an open records request. Wish there was more to view, also. God, these people in the meeting are an embarrassment to our state.
And don't ya just love Diebold's solution to "one voter, one vote" issue/glitch in their software <listed here in the article's last line>...a friggin' "I've voted" sticker. Given that the people in this meeting were handpicked by the TX SOS and AG <see press release at bottom>, is it any surprise that they all just went along with it...


http://safevoting.org/

Video clips of secret meetings <March 2004 post on above link>
Texas Safe Voting reviewed the videotapes of the January 2004 closed meetings used to review voting systems for certification (the videos were acquired by open records requests).
<snip>
A group of examiners reviews voting systems, and makes certification recommendations to the Secretary of State. You might think that these examiners would conduct a comprehensive testing process, assessing the voting machines against a set of detailed critieria and discussing the underlying code.

But there was nothing on the videotapes that resembled a testing process. The examiners didn't start with a set of criteria to test against. They didn't even start with a comparison the new machines to the older versions. Instead, the Diebold representatives gave a demo. Reviewers voted on the machines and looked at the final output. A few of the committee members watched closely, while others chatted together.

The examiners found out, apparently by accident, that using Diebold’s provisional voting system, it was possible for two voters to vote using the same ID number -- or for one voter to vote multiple times. In practice, the Diebold representative explained, they give out paper stickers to make sure that each person votes only once.

_________________________________________________________
The press release link info that is on the above webpage <there is no url to the release to paste here--but here is the content of it--if you go to the above link you can click on it from there>

Austin, TX -- Voting equipment used in Texas is certified in closed-door meetings with voting system vendors, with little scrutiny. Texas Safe Voting has recently obtained previously undisclosed videotapes that reveal the superficial and slipshod review process that leads to certification. Excerpts from these videos are available at http://safevoting.org.

According to Adina Levin of Texas Safe Voting: "It's a sales job by the vendors, not an examination process. The vendor makes a presentation, there's some sample voting, they tally a few votes, and ask a few questions. Given the history of problems -- including failure to count votes correctly -- and numerous studies showing inadequate security, the process here in Texas is woefully inadequate."

Meetings of the Secretary of State's examiners' board for voting systems are closed to the press and public. The group includes of four Advisory Committee members appointed by the Secretary of State, and two who are appointed by the Attorney General.
<snip>

The meetings, held from Jan. 7 to Jan. 9, 2004, reviewed voting systems from Diebold, used in El Paso, and ES&S, used in Dallas County. Journalists who wish to view the tapes should contact Adina Levin by email at adina@effaustin.org or by phone at (512) 632-6829 to arrange for a screening.


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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:52 AM
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9. kick
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:23 PM
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12. That needs to be seen.
NGU.


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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 04:33 PM
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13. Yeah, that's why I kicked it up...
I seem to find the good stuff really LATE at night--I work the night shift so on my nights "off" I am still up til the wee hours. Fortunately, there are some other DU insomniacs who keep late night posts kicked til like 2 or 3 am but then people go to bed and the posts drop down and by the morning they are buried. So I added a post to the thread about the Diebold email article in hopes of kicking the thread high enough to be seen by "daytime" people! :bounce: :kick:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:34 PM
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14. A kick and a nomination n/t
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:07 PM
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15. I would hope that when the vore is certfied on Jan6 our reps of
house and senator remember all the stuff that gone wring during this election!
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