Another argument for fraud

[myschkin]

"Most important was the fact that everyone who viewed themselves as a Democrat was highly committed to voting Democratic. I personally did not meet a single person who said they were normally Democratic but were changing their vote this year.

Conversely, I spoke with several pre-Bush Republicans that were not only voting for the Democrats candidates but actively volunteering their time to help campaign for the Democrats. So in a highly polarized election where the Democrats outnumbered the Republicans in the swing states by several million votes, and the exit poll consistently demonstrated a Democratic lead, the Republicans still won. Who actually believes that?"

and:

"The next day I complete the prototype and presented it to Mrs. Wong. I stressed how the tampering could be detected. She quickly set me straight as the to true intention. Her exact words were "If we can’t hide the manipulation, we won’t get the contract the program is needed to control the south Florida vote." Another confirmation of why I needed to get a different job."


http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/votefraud.html

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

1. kick. n/t

[lakeguy]

2. i totally agree with this...

the two people i know that voted for * last time were voting kerry. i also know one other voter who wasn't voting instead of voting repug. maybe it's because most of the group i know is dem, but i'd prefer to think it was because they realized they made a mistake the first time around.

does anyone know a dem who voted for bush that didn't vote for him last time?

[hippiegranny]

4. Dems voting bush

I know of not a single one.

[berniew1]

10. Indications of major glitches or fraud in several Ohio counties

Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio in several counties (rural and suburban counties)

In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland running for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than votes than Kerry in many counties. For example in Butler County, Connally received 5347 more votes than Kerry. The list of the counties where Connally actually outpolled Kerry include Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert, and Warren.

The reason the Kerry vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get many more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush. ""Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. As of election night, 5,481,804 votes were counted for Bush and Kerry. 4,327,270 votes were counted for Moyer and Connally.

""This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,"" said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

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Warren County, Ohio: most successful voter registration drive in American political history, or stuffing the ballot box
Warren County, a traditional Republican stronghold northeast of Cincinnati, came to national attention on election night. While the nation awaited returns from Ohio, the state that would decide the election, county officials locked down the administrative building and prohibited all independent observers from watching the vote count.

An analyst who has all the vote data for 2000 and 2004 by precinct in several Ohio counties did a detailed analysis by precinct of the huge increase in Bush votes and margin in Warren county. This county first did a lockdown to count the votes, then apparently did another lockdown to recount the votes later- resulting in an even bigger Bush margin and very unusual new patterns.

Several very unusual patterns were evident in the history and the vote totals by precinct. The analyst concludes:

"George W. Bush’’s big win in Warren County was due to one of two things –– one of the most successful voter registration drives in American political history, or stuffing the ballot box. If the vote was legitimate, the records will show it. There will be a signature in a different handwriting for every one of the 16,803 newly registered voters, and for every one of the 95,512 ballots cast. If the vote was not legitimate, there will be a shortage of punch cards in the ballot box, or duplicate handwriting on the voter rolls, or fewer registered voters than reported." http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. 4 Fisher Street Canton, NY 13617 [phone]

Other counties and likely Kerry win in recount with fair rules: http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm

www.flcv.com/ohiov04.html

[bmoney07]

3. kicked

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[AllegroRondo]

5. He makes some good points, but...

I disagree with whether his program was used to flip the vote. he describes a program where someone can flip the vote to 51/49 at will. If this was the case, we would have seen a consistant 51/49 across the state, not just the state as a whole.

[Hobbes199]

6. I know many Republicans who voted for Kerry...

And no Dems that were going the other way. Yet we're made to believe that they were all liars, and that everyone wants Bush but were too embarrassed to admit it.

W/E.

[Duncan]

7. good point.

I don't know a single Dem or independant or green who did not vote for Kerry, and I do know two people who voted for * in 2000 who voted for Kerry. My grandpa in law voted repub his whole life but came to cuss every time Shrub appeared on TV by 2002. He was not going to vote for * again.

[myschkin]

8. kick

some more experiences?

[texpatriot2004]

9. I met lots of Repubs voting Dem too, but like he says, not one

who voted Dem that was voting B* this time. What he said about the largest turnout couldn't win because of the machines...that's so sad and true.

[myschkin]

11. kick

[Peace Patriot]

12. Intuitions, stories...

I read hundreds of blog entries at many sites leading up to the election, and there were so many--really an overwhelming number--of stories like this. Peoples' rightwing uncles or parents voting against Bush. People who lived in Repug neighborhoods, all Bush signs in '00, changed to half Bush half Kerry in '04. Seeing 10 Kerry stickers for every 1 Bush. Friends, co-workers coming out of the woodwork, never voted before, getting registered to vote for Kerry and get Bush out. Students by the zillions signing up--never bothered with politics before. So many volunteers giving their time, door to door, to talk to people. A palpable sense of excitement and involvement EVERYWHERE.

And in my own personal experience: A whole condo full of well-to-do older Repugs who couldn't abide Bush, and hated the Iraq war--I'm sure they all voted to throw him out. And my brother who never did anything political in his whole life--VOLUNTEERING for Kerry phone banking--to my astonishment--and saying EVERYBODY (in his circles) was doing something and was voting this year--to get Bush out. And a neighbor of mine whom I would have sworn was a Bush backer, putting a Kerry sign in her yard.

It was a feeling in the air. Quiet determination, but also electricity. Everybody--EVERYBODY--was interested. Everybody wanted to have their say in this election--and it was firm and it was final: Bush out!

I've never seen anything like it, not in my whole life (forty years of voting and political activism).

Really, somebody ought to do a story, or book, or movie about this. So-o-o-o-o-o many people have stories like this. It was a fantastic excercise in democracy--and to have it STOLEN was such a blow.

Actually, that isn't what most people perceived. Most people have yet to find out that their votes were stolen. What they perceived was what CNN told them--that Bush with his nutso agenda had overtaken Kerry in the last two hours of the election, despite what all the polls were saying. I'm sure they were all amazed, and many heartbroken. And many still don't know!

[myschkin]

13. the final argument - not scientific, but...

I think you could "proof" the fraud in this way - just making polls about this...