Do you think Shrub knew about the fix?

[Catamount]

Or was it all done behind his back (to protect him)? I'm torn. I'm not sure when I look at him, although he does look very scared lately. Opinions, please.

[FogerRox]

1. He knew

He knew in 2000 too- My life wont be complete untill I see him hauled away in cuffs

[jamboi]

18. If he was smart he didn't allow himself to be too close to the operation

for plausable deniability reasons.

[DenverDem]

2. Of course, he knew.

He's not an idiot. . .Oh, wait.

Never mind.

[seriousstan]

7. Ignore, meant to post this further down.

[Vincardog]

24. Just watch his intervierw befor the election "Mr Resident what it you lose

the election?" "That is not going to Happen."
He Knew

[Joe Chi Minh]

114. Didn't he say

on one occasion: "You can write that down".

[benburch]

3. Ordered it.

I have friends who tell me they have inside information to this effect.

[LSparkle]

5. Oh man that makes so much sense

Based on how he was looking earlier in the day ...

[johan helge]

10. Your friends are sitting on one of the biggest stories of the century

Perhaps they should call a reporter?

[jamboi]

19. Agreed, hope their talking to a good investigative reporter! n/t

[seriousstan]

33. Tell us all the story

All I ever hear is "I know someone who knows someone" but i never hear what that proof is. Stop the cloak and dagger and spread the news.

[benburch]

57. Well, I'd like to...

but the person who said this never told me how she knows it, but I am assuming it was from one of her clients who are in the DC area. She's told me other things that proved to be correct in the past.

[seriousstan]

75. that's proof

[benburch]

90. No, clearly not.

It's a rumor that I happen to believe.

[Ladyhawk]

41. I bet he did. Little weasel can't stand to lose. n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

108. You have cabinet-level friends?

I want to make sure I'm hearing you right. Not that I wouldn't put it past him, but why should we believe you? That's quite an accusation to level...why aren't they running to the papers?

[SharifromOregon]

113. benburch.....

Can you, or your friends leak anything more about this? What kind of inside information?

[LSparkle]

4. He had to know

If you saw interviews with him during election day (when he stopped to thank volunteers), you could see Lauraeasybake's forced smile and he looked nervous ... He knew he was going to lose. And then, voila, thanks to KKKarl, it was FIXED. The only difference is he knew all along last time, and this time he only learned about the fix in the afternoon.

[Ironpost]

6. Part of the FIX.

[New Earth]

8. i don't think he knew of it beforehand, and i do not think he ordered it

i do think he knows now. i think he might have known late election night, if not late afternoon. for all we know, he may not know at all, and that would be even more evil, for his people to make a bigger joke out of him than he already is, without him even knowing.

[HeyManThatsCool]

121. I dont think so

I really think he knew Kerry was going to win.

He definately knew about 2000 though & was actively involved in that shit.(Which is when he made the "You can write it down" comment)Since he was so smug then- which is partially how many Americans figured it out later (See Fahrenheit 9/11) I think the "architect" didnt tell him this time because BUSH IS THE WORLDS SHITTIEST ACTOR. He would have started swaggering and sneering and making stupid comments that would go into F 9/11 Part 2. Sooo- they kept him in the dark.

Karl & Cheney knew but didnt tell Bushie (Plausible Deniability would be another reaspm). I really think none of the Bushes knew- Poppy Bush admitted later he thought it was over. Karen Hughes commented that she thought he was going to lose when they were seeing the exit polling all afternoon up until 8:00pm that night. Bush HAD ALREADY BEGUN WORKING ON HIS CONCESSION SPEECH!

For me- the second they let the press into the white house I knew it was over. I knew in that instant that someone had hacked the vote or paid people not to vote.

I volunteered for the Kerry campaign for months & the enthusiasm amongst soooooooo soooo many of the Americans I talked to was palpable. I went to a rally in Philadelphia days before the election that had 120,000 attendees. Did phone banking ALL OVER THE USA- and you know what? I think in all the calls I did I spoke to 20 people who said they were voting for Bush. And then he won? Yeah, I think not.

We goddamn knew there was a fucking problem before the election when it came out the Diebold asshole was a Bush "Pioneer". And yet, we all hoped. Well- they fucked us again.

Ack. My blood is boiling again

[Twist_U_Up]

9. shit his poppy trained him

[jbond56]

11. maybe but cheney did

I think it was 9 days before he called it 52-47.

[tbuddha]

12. Does a bear shit in the woods? nt

[Skink]

16. He didn't see the first plane hit the first tower either.

:nopity:

[OKthatsIT]

37. got em on video, right here

...http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater256.html">check it out!

[FloridaCrat]

69. Your link doesn't work

[New Earth]

70. just an extra http://

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater256.html

[FloridaCrat]

89. thanks

[genieroze]

13. If he didn't he's an idiot.

Oh, I guess he didn't

[Karenca]

14. He knew, and not only that------

he knew he didn't even have to act at the very least slightly presidential at the debates.
He knew, for sure.

[Twist_U_Up]

17. nice observance I thought the same thing n/t

[mirandapriestly]

21. Good point

no wonder he acted like a 12 year old giving their first book report in the debates

[Catamount]

26. another excellent point-----oh godddddd

[ClintCooper2003]

15. Is the sky blue?

[sweetladybug]

22. Hell yes he knew!

He's a thief and a con man and whatever he wants, he gets.

[shaggy briard]

20. You give the guy too much credit

He has had people fix things for him all his life -- he doesn't need to ask, or "know" how it will be done -- but he "knew" it would be done --
The rich are different from you and I, they have servants, factotems and consiglieri who:
1) Fix drunk driving tickets
2) Expunge cocaine arrest records
3) Change driver's license numbers
4) Get you into the champagne guard unit
5) Get you into Yale when you can't get into UT
6) Get you into Harvard B-school when you can't get into UT Law school
7) Get you out of jury duty to avoid answering voir dire on drunken driving history
8) Bail out your company when you can't find any oil
9) Clean up the SEC investigation when you do insider trading
10) Get you an honorable discharge from ANG when you don't show up for duty in the middle of a war
11) Get you out of the army early so you can go to an Ivy League grad school in the middle of a war
12) Slime a genuine war hero's patriotism so you can win a primary
13) Decide an election in your favor when you didn't win
14) Shift the blame for your incompetence to an imagined enemy
15) Pre-empt regular programming to run a scurrilous and defamatory hatchet job on your opponent and call it news
16) Slime a genuine war hero's patriotism so you can "win" an election
etc., etc. etc.

All without "asking" and leaving no fingerprints.
Maybe not so dumb after all:puke:

[Catamount]

23. Good point. n/t

[Catamount]

29. War hero

After reading that, I want to cry again.

[lonestarnot]

36. I wish we had a smiley with a group puke!

group puke!!!!

[SueZhope]

25. I'm not sold he knew

early in the day he looked very concerned & insecure
I was sure he knew he was a goner

they might not let him know for there is a BUST
he could still stay in office for not knowing.....

[mamalone]

42. hmmmm...

Didn't I hear that Karen Hughes sat him down in the evening of Nov2 and "broke it to him" that he was going to lose the election? That indicates to me that only a few of the Bushies knew about the fix before hand. Of course he knows now that it was a fix...I think he knew that as soon as he started to "pull ahead". You could see it in his gloating evil face...makes me want to:puke:
Diane

[Stand and Fight]

47. He knew.

I heard the same report about Hughes sitting him down from her on CNN on election night. She said he was serene and didn't seem worried at all. He basically told her in a sarcastic cynical way, "We'll see what happens." I could just imagine the stupid chimp smirk on his face! I don't think Karen Hughes knew, but there is no doubt in my mind that he did. He was probably nervous earlier in the day because he was concerned it wasn't going to work since the exit polls were in Kerry's favor. I don't think the first lady knew -- I think she is probably as much in the dark about his shenanigans as Nixon's old lady Patricia Ryan was. He was probably worried that Diebold, ES&S, and Sequoia had bailed out on the idea. That's why he looked worried when he was with her -- her concern was genuine that he'd lost, and his was for the reasons upon which I've speculated.

So, what do you guys think?

[SueZhope]

52. I really think to protect the weed from impeachment

I think that the Rovian style would be to
have things all FIXED up with out actually
saying it to Bush..after all in a court of law
the fixers would be sent to jail(the little guys)
Rove is good at making sure the little people
pay for the crimes

I think it might work that if the president
did not authorize or know about the
something like this he could then be protected,
so for him to have really know
it would be to risky..

Rove is to smart for that
just a good guess as any..LOL

[BR_Parkway]

100. Have to make sure * survived the fallout long enough to pardon

everyone else involved, they couldn't have told him. In his arrogant manner, he'd have bragged to someone already

[mamalone]

53. Interesting..

I hadn't heard about his response to Hughes' "news". That does change my thoughts- apparently he did know beforehand. That's fine- it justifies my abject loathing of him just a bit more.
Diane

[SueZhope]

51. YES

I remember the Karen Hughes story.....
i also remember Bob Novak saying during the day
that he just spoke with the hire ups of the party
and they were very worried
about Ohio..

they took care of that little glitch

[Gyre]

27. Hasn't he demonstrated to you enough

that he's a compulsive psychopathic liar? Since you all like legal latin so much, Res ipsa loquitur (the "thing" speaks for itself).

Gyre

[Hobbes199]

28. Of course. Is it going to be linked to him?

Probably not. Though I'm hopeful there will be enough spineless people who won't want to take the fall alone, that he and rover will be implicated.

[jsascj]

30. He's the King of Thieves

He is the Godfather.

[kerry2win]

31. looks like he ages every time I see him

just saw b**h for the 1st time since election night on an Olbermann clip looks like he aged 5yrs. He looks like he has a seriuos health problem by his appearance .. at least to me.

[witchhazl]

32. I'm with SueZHope--I don't think he knew beforehand.

I thought he looked very tense & downright scared that morning & afternoon. And Karen Hughes supposedly sat him down & told the bad news (is this verified or just a story?). Rove, on the other hand, he's the one that remained confident throughout. I think they told him later -- chill, the fix is in again. They all look downright diabolical in that video the networks aired that night.

[pleiku52cab]

34. He knew and

his earlier Nov. 2 'possum in the headlights' look was only his fears that the FRAUD was not kicking in or possibly not big enough - his later smugness came only after he saw the Fraud working and was told that it was in fact big enough to STEAL another election.

[Stand and Fight]

48. EXACTLY

My thoughts.

[renaissanceguy]

119. What's scarier

is what he'll pull so that he will be able to run again (i.e. constitutional amendment). Of course, he's a "war" president, and we never want to "change horses" in the middle of a perpetual war. <sarcasm>

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[lonestarnot]

35. The Great Deceiver!

That's the only thing he's good at, and he's toooooo stupid to do that for very long, because he's either mental or has ADD as in chimps have a longer attention span. He certainly knew. Remember when he got off the helicopter at the White House. He and the old lady had already been told they were loosing. They were looking really glum and down trodden. Then it wasn't long after that the MSM announced an "unprecedented speech from the White House from an incumbent president <theif> would speak on election night." Then there was a breakaway shot to the w.h. the family portrait of all the creeps in one room. He was all smiles and had fuck nothing to say. They had to prompt him with questions about how he was feeling etc. That was the moment, his signal to his cronies to start flipping with their intercession via the great hack... or whatever their theiving plan was. This is all speculation, but the moment that shot came on I knew the gig was up and they were up to something! Rats ass freaks!

[FloridaCrat]

73. yeah, the weird video - don't forget those weird green shoes

I think the whole family new. He said something about having different strategies to win, or something like that

[Chelsea Patriot]

82. I was just thinking about those Lime Green shoes myself.

[Sideways]

83. Those Green Shoes Were The Signal To The Sleeper Cells

Think about it. What the fuck was Jenna doing sticking her leg up in the air showing off her shoe like a four year old? And she did it five or six times and she was LAUGHING. I'm convinced this was the sign to the B**h Al Queda Vote Hack Team to stick it up the ass of the American people. Jenna is B**h's favorite and I think this was a slap at Vanessa Kerry as well. This is a very twisted weird clan and they love ritual and SHOW.

The unprecedented nature of the "press conference" where MonkeyNuts had nothing to say was weird in itself but it served two purposes:

1.Signal sleeper cells.
2.Distract viewers from exit poll numbers long enough to start fucking with them.

I want to punch walls when I think about that night. And chew glass.

[FloridaCrat]

91. Looking for 'deep throat' - that video could be chimp's undoing

It could be like Nixon's tapes where he explicitly instructed his henchmen while being recorded. If luck would deliver us a mole who wanted to collect on the reward money and testify - imagine the testimony in the impeachment trial - "It was the plan - when the TV's showed the green shoes, their instructions were to proceed"

[Sideways]

95. I Was Fixated On Those Shoes That Night

Something about them just struck me. Funny thing is I LIKED them and thought they were good looking but they made me uneasy. I actually have had three different dreams since that night involving those shoes.

Deep Throat needs to expose Operation Green Shoe.

[RevCheesehead]

105. Green Shoes will trump Blue Dress!

Let the impeachment begin!

[Sideways]

106. Fashion Impeachment Wars

Lets Get Those Green Shoe Bastards.

[FloridaCrat]

110. You're right, the shoes were nice looking

but they didn't go with her outfit - that's what was weird about it.

[RevCheesehead]

104. Not a crazy theory at all...

In fact, I remember someone here at DU posting that very thought on Nov. 3, or shortly thereafter. There's also speculation that the "unprecidented WH statement" was a media distraction which may have taken people's eyes off the exit polling numbers.

[ChrisPhx]

38. He knew and was fearful

At several points he looked way too confident to me, just like on election eve 2000 when asked for a reaction to FL being called for Gore. Boy was he sure that could not be.

It has to be more anxiety provoking to pull it off when so many are aware and watching (2004) than when it is done in relative quiet. (2000)

Chris

[BringEmOn]

39. He takes it for granted.

Ma Bush ordered Poppy to fix it...just like rich parents bribing a little league umpire or beauty pageant judge so their child wins. The Bush Crime Family has connections to every major crime committed in the last 50+ years, from helping finance Hitler to Bay of Pigs to JFK assassination October Surprise, Reagan assassination attempt, Iran Contra to name just a few. Junior grew up seeing major world events, as well as everything in his personal life, "fixed" by his family.

I think it was Molly Ivins who said "He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

[Catamount]

40. I love the analogy n/t

[FloridaCrat]

111. His reputation for great speaking goes back to Texas

Remember when Gov Ann Richards, the soon-to-be-defeated by shrub said:

"The problem with you George, is that you were born with a silver foot in your mouth".

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Please don't jump on me but... I think he knew but was

hoping that they wouldn't have to kick in the fraud "plan B". Like he was hoping he could win outright. I can't believe I said that -- because I am a person who gets physically ill when he comes on tv. But, I have watched him for brief moments in the last day or two and it looks like he is really trying to do a good job. My take is that he feels guilty and now he is going to try and do well. Don't get me wrong, please. I hate him with every ounce of my being and he did and will continue to ruin the country, I am sure. But just consider maybe he is like a dumb pawn. He's crooked through and through - but he also wants the people really running the show and americans to think he's not stupid. Kind of like Fredo in Godfather?

[texpatriot2004]

44. I think he knew, although I doubt anyone has told him. n/t

[Donailin]

45. C'mon. Just because he said on numerous occasions

"What will I do if I lose? I don't think about that because I'm confident I'm going to win"

doesn't mean he actually knew. pfft. you silly people.

[Stand and Fight]

50. LOL

No sarcasm there, huh?

[Cherie59]

46. Is the Pope Catholic? Hell yes, he knew!

[Up2Late]

49. YES, He knew...But he's not an idiot, Imbecile? maybe...

YES, He knew...But he's not an idiot, Imbecile? maybe, Moron? Yes definitely, GWBush IS a Moron.

A Moron has an IQ between 55 and 84
Imbecile 40 to 55... But please, an Idiot? An I idiot's IQ is between 10 and 40 <http://www.psychologicaltesting.com/iqtest.htm>

If you want to take a short break for a good laugh? Check out these links:
<http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html>
<http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/idiot-test/>

[googly]

58. I hate when Bush is called a moron cuz losing to a moron has

to feel just awful. Please don't rub salt in Kerry's wounds.

[newyawker99]

115. Hi Up2Late!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Imagevision]

54. BUSH: "I just spoke with the Governor of Florida..."

and he's assured me the exit polls are all wrong.

[LisaL]

55. Didn't Shrub showed up in OH on the day of election?

[BushSpeak]

124. Bush WAS in Ohio on election day

There was a great thread in DU about a week ago, tracing Bush's agenda on election day. Voted in Crawford in the morning, then on to Ohio to thank election workers (sic!)before heading on to the White House.

Look's like it was more than just regular campaign visit.

Here's another article from the Free Press

"Sources close to the Board of Elections told the Free Press that Damschroder and Ohio’s Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell met with President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day"

Stealing votes in Columbus
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/914

[googly]

56. Let's see...he has a law degree from Yale.....he KNEW!

[OneBlueSky]

59. don't think so . . . he has an MBA from Harvard . . .

and an undergraduate degree from Yale . . .

as for the election fix, it probably went something like this . . .

Bush: "So Karl, am I going to lose this election?"

Rove: "Don't worry, Mr. President. We'll take care of it." . . .

end of discussion . . .

[texpatriot2004]

60. Yep, that sounds about right, OneBlueSky.

[googly]

64. Doncha wish you wuz a fly on the wall in that room at that time? lol

[rodeodance]

84. no law degree--some business degree I believe

[HeyManThatsCool]

123. Yes but-

He had a C average
and was supposedly piss drunk all through college.
The average American would have failed, but his parents made sure he passed.

So his degree doesnt carry water with me

[understandinglife]

61. I'll show my age and reveal my delight at this particular ?....

....that I have been waiting 4 weeks and 1 day to see -- "Did Bush Know?"

I have fond memories of our life in DC between 1971 and 1979; very fond memories of the first of the, now, 34 years we've been together and our wonderful apartment in Georgetown that happened to be directly across the street from one of Nixon's boys. And, I remember those first "Did Nixon Know?" murmurings.

Ah yes, as we had our dinner this evening celebrating the 34th year together we both toasted the first glimpse of the "Did Bush Know?" meme that appeared just as we were leaving for our little celebration.

It's going to get intense everyone -- get ready to jump on that steamroller and stop the paving of our democracy.

This time around, let's make sure that no one, decades from now, will ever experience one of those "Did xxxxx know?" moments. Our franchise is resilient, but it can use a long period of being cherished and nurtured.

We will prevail.

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[Up2Late]

76. ...get ready to jump on that steamroller, more like the Tanks...

get ready to jump on that steamroller, more like the Tanks at Tiananmen Square, 1989 (Chinese Student Uprising), But I'm not so sure our M1A1 Tanks would stop for us, as they did in China, with Bush in charge. Nixon would be considered a liberal by today's Republicans.

What I really want to know is, did John Kerry know, due to his Skull and Bones links to Bush Jr. and Bush Sr.?

Did Kerry know what he was up against, or did a Bonesman come up to him like in a Mafia movie and say, "It's not your year John, time to bow out."

[Catamount]

118. Revealing your age....

I remember those days too, even though I wasn't living here then.
I guess history does repeat itself, over and over....er

[BringEmOn]

62. Common knowledge among republicans.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/257753p-220761c.html

Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.) has conspiracy theorists in a dither. Ever since he appeared in Alexandra Pelosi's HBO documentary "Diary of a Political Tourist," suspicious minds have been pressing King to admit he helped rig the presidential election.

In the film, King huddles with Bush strategist Karl Rove at a White House BBQ in June. Then, King tells Pelosi:

"The election's over! We won! It's all over - but the counting, and we will take care of the counting!"

King tells us, "The whole film is a spoof! Do they think I'd really tell the daughter of the House Democratic Leader that we were going to fix the vote?"

Video:

http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater256.html

[proudbluestater]

63. I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think he knew

Not that it would matter to him, really. He has no conscience, no moral compass. I just feel this was just another thing they have kept from him. He certainly struts around in public as if he really DOES have that mandate Rove told him he has.

Rove/Cheney are the masterminds here. I think they wouldn't tell him so he would keep up his arrogant act.

[googly]

65. I think you may be right n/t

[txindy]

66. Did Junior know? As they say on the playground,

"Well, DUH!"

;)

[GetTheRightVote]

67. Even in the debates he looked as if he knew, He treated the debates

as if they were a waste of his time and effort.
He knew for sure and so then the rest of the Bushies, etc.

[FloridaCrat]

68. He'll claim he didn't know exactly which precincts and counties

were going to be screwed around with - just like he tried to claim he didn't know 9/11 was going to happen... And since there wasn't any specific information, there was really nothing for him to do about it.

I agree with you that he doesn't look all that comfortable. He's living such a lie, maybe it's just starting to weigh on him. He has to know that the brightest minds in America are working on this fraud issue - it's like when kids know they've been bad and you're just waiting to see how long you're going to get away with it.

[Kellis]

71. exactly

the idiot chimpncheif knew.

I wonder if he knows WE know?LOL.You know how they like to shelter that little moron from 'bad' news.

"You can Run but you can't hide" AWOL chimpy!

[FloridaCrat]

88. very funny LOL, I wonder how he knew that we knew

Couldn't be lurking himself, too far up the learning curve for the bottom of the class.

[Catamount]

72. Shrub knowing

Thank you for all your insights, you all have valid points!
Either way I'm sure he'll get his just dues!

[Amigust]

78. Very often, monsters have the knack for getting away with it.

Just look at St. Ronald and Junior's old man.

[DFLforever]

74. Yes, he was the man behind the plan.

Rove is just his henchman.

[Amigust]

77. He had the same smug unconcern just prior to Nov 2 that he

had during election night in 2000.

I have no doubts, utterly, that he knew it had all been taken care of.

[Emillereid]

79. He knew -- he's not as stupid as he looks. But he is crazy!

[rodeodance]

86. Bush is just plain greedy!!

[Up2Late]

80. Awesome song-- Idiot son of an As*h*le

I hope everyone takes a few minutes to watch and hear a great Anti-Bush song at <http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html>

You all should check out this Huge French Anti-Bush link collection at:
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[dethl]

81. Shrub knows as much about the elections as

he knew handling his own little oil companies. He is a clueless puppet.

100th post! Yay!

[rodeodance]

85. Recall that story on DU about Karen Hughes pulling Bush aside

to tell him he was losing big time (after the exit polls showed Kerry was winning). It was talked about on several threads on DU but I did not save it. Someone (radio person I believe who was in the vacinity) said that Hughes took him aside early in the evening.
I have often wondered abou this as i could be the story they used as "plausable deniability"--if it was ever found out that there was fraud. Anyone recall that conversation?

[Catamount]

102. Wasn't there a reporter who..

Overheard KH tell Shrub that he was losing by a landslide?

[Catamount]

101. congratulations- -this is my first thread n/t

[bklyncowgirl]

87. Yes. Appearances to the contrary he's no idiot.

The political graveyards are full of the rotting corpses of politicians, all better men and women than he is who underestimated the lengths this man would go to win.

I think they hoped to win more or less honestly (a little voter supression here and there notwithstanding) but just in case, they had plan B. I think when the early exit polls came out, they called for Plan B.

Did Bush know every detail. No and he'd be an idiot if he did. The goal was to make it so decentralized that no one could safely say that it was centrally coordinated.

Plausible deniability.

[NicRic]

92. My thoughts exactly , well almost !

I believe he was told ,dont worry things are taken care of ,and you will win. Thats about as much information he can process anyway ,so why would they waste their time giving details to a pea brain like bush ! I believe even the group of people directly under bush ,know he is a idiot and probably joke behind his back umong each other about just how clueless he is ! Thats about the only part of your post i dont agree with ,the idiot thingy ,the debates showed me conclusively ,he is as dumb as a fence post ! "Want some wood" OH to funny ,Iam still laughing.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience

[bklyncowgirl]

126. I agree Bush is not deep thinker but like the PC educators say..

There's different kinds of smart.

Some people are great at processing and digesting information and communicating to other people. That ain't "Our Leader".

His kind of smart is that he understands very well how to manipulate, intimidate and get people to follow him.

That ability combined with a total lack of scruples and the lack of ability to understand the world around him make him a dangerous individual.

Saying he's a moron trivializes him and that's exactly what he wants.

[Vidar]

93. He knew but will have plausible deniability every which way.

[carolinalady]

94. exactly--just like Reagan Iran Contra

[McCamy Taylor]

96. plausible deniability--everyone knows he is a figurehead prez

[robbedvoter]

97. here's a direct account:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3987237.stm

Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information.

He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them

[WINEWOMAN7]

98. Bush Crime Family

I think the whole Bush crime family and associates ordered it.

Dian

[Shalom]

103. Agree....with Shrub deniablilty... n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

99. He didn't seem to have a problem

after the 2000 (vote). He went on like nothing irregular happened and acted as though he won something. H* had no problem reading a kiddie book while NY burned and then yelled in the old firemans ear and strutted over the bodies to lead us to war.
I'm sure when Karen huge gets her new raise she will have no problem fitting d*bby with his new gold codpiece so he can strut for everyone again.
Sick F*ckers! H* loves it when a plan comes together.

[libertypirate]

107. Are you in the 10th -- Catamount

[Catamount]

109. 10th what?

[libertypirate]

116. You would know....

10th Mountain
287 Catamounts
Fort Drum NY

[Catamount]

117. The 10th....Intriguing

That sounds like the military?
I'm just a lover of cougars.. ala mountain lions.

[sportndandy]

112. Only thing he DID know

And the only the thing that really concerns him. What will he do with no more elections to win?

[Shalom]

120. SHRUB WAS FIXED AT BIRTH !

HE IS PART OF THE FIX - THE FIX AND BUSHITLER CANNOT BE SEPARATED.

FROM A PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINT, HE CANNOT "KNOW ABOUT THE FIX", SINCE IT IS INTRINSIC TO HIS VERY BEING.

THIS IS WHAT THE PIECE OF SHIT SO FUCKING DANGEROUS - LIKE HIS MENTOR, ADOLF HITLER, HE DOES NOT QUESTION HIMSELF. HE KNOWS HE IS RIGHT.

AFTER DOING TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF DAMAGE, THIS PIECE OF SHIT WILL BE FLUSHED DOWN THE NAZI TOILET HE CAME FROM.

[EndElectoral]

122. When * said in F911 I guarantee we'll take FL...He knows, he knows!

Don't let that stupid look fool you..

[JunkYardDogg]

125. He's a Lucky Sperm-His whole life is fixed

He knew the machines were rigged
that's why he didn't give a shit about how he did in the debates
It doesn't matter
that's the benefits of being a Lucky Sperm