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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:52 PM
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ACTION ALERT! I AM DISAPPOINTED IN DU.
I posted this earlier and almost no one was interested. People are always asking what we can do to help and here is a reporter who stuck his neck out and has done the most comprehensive reporting on vote fraud yet who is asking for our help. He is also listing the future projets he is working on. He is in our corner and we aren't even interested? This is the guy that wrote the article that the WH had to recognize! C'mon guys. We need reporters. Give up on the Harris stuff and help a real reporter! PLEASE HELP THIS REPORTER

Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 10:47 PM by saracat
who is a credible investigator of voter fraud. The North Country News Is the only paper that has had the guts to tackle the whole story. The White House has even noticed what they are doing. Stop arguing about Bev and help this guy out! His name is Adam Stone . His email is Adam Stone <astone@northcountynews.com >

thanks for the kudos...

Possible follow ups: I'm working on

DNC talks.

Mainstream media silence.

Thoughts from local Congresswomen, Sue Kelly and Nita Lowey. Schumer and
Hillary, too, perhaps.

Anything you or others can do to help would be appreciated.

Please forward me the latest items from mainsream media on the topic. Not
opinion, just news items

An item below that might be of interest.

Adam

914 962 4748 x280

Robert Mueller, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
c/o White Plains Office
222 Bloomingdale Road
White Plains, New York

Dear Director Mueller:

On behalf of myself and other concerned citizens of Westchester County,
New York, I implore the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to urgently
and intensively investigate evidence of widespread conspiracy to tamper with
votes and suppress voting in the 2004 Presidential election.

We request that the FBI immediately send additional agents to Ohio and
Florida, key electoral states where there are indications of gross tampering
and suppression.

In Ohio, for example, in 29 Cayuhoga County (Cleveland) precincts,
93,136 more votes were recorded than there are registered voters. In
addition to suspicious electronic vote counting, there were significant
problems in Ohio with the mechanics of voting, such as malfunctioning
machines and problems with poll log books.

It has been reported that J. Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio's chief election
official and the Ohio Bush-Cheney campaign chair, ensured there were ample
voting machines in Republican areas and a shortage of machines in
low-income and African-American areas, as well as areas expected to have a
high turnout of young voters. In spite of an increase in voter registration
in Ohio, fewer machines were said to have been provided than in 2000.

Werner Lange, a Youngstown pastor, said at hearings held November 13 by
the Ohio Election Protection Coalition that less than half of the usual
number of voting machines were available in one African-American community.
"This," he said, "caused an enormous bottleneck among voters who had to wait
a very, very long time to vote, many of them giving up in frustration and
leaving." He estimated that 7,000 votes were lost to Senator John Kerry in
Youngstown alone, due to insufficient voting machines.

Carol Shelton, presiding judge at a precinct in Columbus, said voting
machines were insufficient, that she called for more machines and was sent
one, "which did not make a dent in the line...This was a clear case of
voter
suppression by making voting an impossibility for anyone who had to go to
work or anyone who was stuck at home caring for children or the elderly
while another family member voted."

In Florida, initial counts showed 237,522 more votes cast for president
than there were people casting ballots. The state altered the vote count to
eliminate county discrepancies after independent researchers began to point
out contradictions. Keith Olbermann, reporting for MSNBC, found: "On the
same Florida Democratic ballots where Bush scored big, people supported
highly Democratic measures- such as raising the state minimum wage $1 above
the federal level. This indicates that only the presidential voting was
rigged."

In addition, an unknown number of Florida voters, particularly in
African-American communities, were effectively disenfranchised by long
waiting lines and faulty equipment. There is no reason for these
conditions to have existed in Florida after the experience of 2000 other
than because of official conspiracy to suppress the vote.

Discrepancies between exit polls and tallies from electronic voting
machines leaving no paper trails indicate the need for investigations in
Minnesota, New Mexico, Nevada, Wisconsin, Colorado, North Carolina, Iowa,
New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.

We request that the FBI interview, in addition to public officials,
employees of firms involved in electronic voting in the 2004, the most
prominent including: Diebold Election Systems; Election Systems and
Software; Science Applications International Corporation, Sequoia Voting
Systems; and VoteHere Inc.

And, we ask the FBI to determine whether national voting laws have been
violated and to what degree, if any, there was central direction of vote
tampering and vote suppression.

Sincerely,


Nick Mottern
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:54 PM
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1. you just want us to forward it? to whom?
be more specific what you want done sara.....
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:59 PM
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3. Read his email . He wants help with info on voter fraud and
the other topics he is writing on. If you know any thing forward them to him! His email and phone number is in his email.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:55 PM
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2. thank you for posting
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:59 PM
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4. Your post could be a little no alot clearer. Where's link to article?
What do you mean whitehouse has noticed his story?
And what kind of help does he need?
And why tack on that letter at the end?

Really, I never noticed the prev. thread you started. Why not a link to it, unless its as confusing as this post saracat. I am suprised at you.
???

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lwesty Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:10 PM
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7. I saw saracat's post
when I was reading the Bev/KO thread and I can understand her frustration. I didn't read one response to what she posted. Instead of seeing a productive outlet for their anger, the posters in that thread just picked up where they left off bashing either Bev or Keith.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:47 PM
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16.  This isn't an article . This is his email to me asking for help.
I didn't tack on the letter at the end he did. He told I and (we) would be interested in the letter from one of his readers! Read the letter it is clear what he wants. MSM news on the voter fraud issue as well as the other issues he listed he is working on! His name is Adam Stone. His email and phone number are in the letter.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. 10-4. Thanks 4 clarification.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:07 PM
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5. hundreds read these but only a few respond on list. that is the way
of things. people didn't ignore, I am sure. They just didn't note anything when they read this.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:12 PM
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10. Here's a link
http://www.northcountynews.com/archives_2004/11-17-04/news5.htm

And this is the task request:
Possible follow ups: I'm working on

DNC talks.

Mainstream media silence.

Thoughts from local Congresswomen, Sue Kelly and Nita Lowey. Schumer and
Hillary, too, perhaps.

Anything you or others can do to help would be appreciated.

Please forward me the latest items from mainsream media on the topic. Not
opinion, just news items

There all neat and tidy... I hope Sara does not mind my taking liberties.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:09 PM
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6. This is the right approach! Right on! Go saracat n/t
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:10 PM
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8. Saracat, Just sent him the NY Daily News Fraud Article
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. no offense, but that is an editorial/opinion piece n/t
:shrug:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Thanks - Point taken -- But how many Positive MSM opinion pieces have
you seen? They are very few and far between - sadly
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:12 PM
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9. I haven't seen many mainstream media articles to send him,
especially that weren't opinions

isn't that really the problem

no MSM coverage?
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lwesty Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:30 PM
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12. kick n/t
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:35 PM
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14. Sent him bunches last night
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:37 PM
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15. There are two on DU that I can think of that have quick
access to all of this and that have put a great deal of effort in researching and compiling the info that this reporter seeks. TruthisAll and Eloriel. Have you pmailed them?

Just a suggestion.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:50 PM
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17. Great Idea!
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Blue in the face Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:10 PM
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20. Just kicked another thread where someone was asking the same thing
There was a Danish reporter who had asked for info also. Carolab gave some links here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=98415#106695
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:56 PM
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23. Thanks Blue in the face.
I love your screen name!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:00 PM
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19. I have just finished writing him back.
I explained all about the international election monitors, and how we at DU have been working hard to get them to look deeper, since their initial report just had some mild criticisms of the electional process here. I told him about the Danish reporter who has taken up our leads at DU, and is interviewing tomorrow one of the international monitors from OSCE who was in Ohio.

Adam didn't seem that impressed at first, but perhaps he will be now that I have explained it more clearly.

It seems like it could be a huge breakthrough for us if these OSCE monitors, the same group who watched the election in the Ukraine, would support a deeper investigation into fraud here.

And if they do, it will be almost entirely because of DU. If they don't, that will become known because of DU.

Seems newsworthy to me.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:52 PM
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21. I kicked your other thread when I found it back on about
page 4.

I'll kick this one too.

:kick:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:55 PM
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22.  Thank you Elorial, and send him stuff if you can! Thanks
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:20 AM
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24. thanks, I sent stuff to him.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:52 AM
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25. How about the letter to Blackwell from the House Judiciary Comm.
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohblackwellltr12204.pdf

I am sure someone already sent this to Adam, but I will just in case.
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Blue in the face Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:02 AM
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26. Damn you, pdf file!
Why can't I get that file to come up??? Can anyone tell me what it says?
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:04 AM
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28. I can't get it either, maybe too much traffic n/t
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:09 AM
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29. I couldn't get the page to load at first, then I hit refresh and it worked
It is 15 pages long and it takes a little while to download.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:04 AM
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27. Just sent this to Adam re Newsweek 12/6/04 voter doubts- MAJOR SPIN
Hi Saracat!!!:hi:

My e-mail to Adam:
----------------------------------------------------------

Hi Adam,
Just in case you haven't seen this, it was published in this week's Newsweek Dec. 6 2004, "The Technologist" column by Steven Levy titled "Four More Years to Finally Get it Right". As I read the column, I thought it was fairly balanced in validating voter's questions about the electronic voting without receipts - until I got to the 2nd to last paragraph. This is what stuck in my craw:
<snip>
Why is it that the companies that make the machines are run by executives who favor one party over another? For that matter, why is it that the so-called referees of the process are often partisan politicians themselves?
<snip>

The fact that the Diebold voting machine corporation favors the Republican party is clearly relevant to the story. The fact that Blackwell in Ohio is Republican is relevant to questions about partisanship. Why are these facts omitted? Here's the link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6595385/site/newsweek/

Good Luck,
Pooka Fey on DU
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:11 AM
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30. I wrote to Mr. Stone but I didn't post it here that I had written
Dear Mr. Stone:

There is an ongoing thread at Democratic Underground, which began on November 10. I am not able to take the time to sift through it and separate the wheat from the chaff, but from the title of the thread and the stated intention of the original poster, you may find more than a few nuggets in the thread which are relevant to your request.

The title of the thread is Mainstream Vote Fraud 2004 Coverage So Far, at the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=36208&mesg_id=36208&page=

There are very many savvy and responsive, engaged and intelligent participants in Democratic Underground. Please do not hesitate to visit.

Personally, I want to thank you for your ongoing interest in the tainted election of 2004.


BTW, the thread mentioned was posted by althecat :)
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