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bobweaver Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:29 PM
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Kerry Won the Election by at least 1.7 Million Votes
The URL of this article is:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

Voter Fraud in Florida and Ohio:
Kerry Won the Election by at least 1,7 Million Votes
by Brad Menfil

Brad Menfil is not my real name. I work for the RNC. I fear reprisals if I'm found out.

The truth about this election is this: Florida and Ohio had to go for Bush in order for him to "win" the election. In reality he lost both states. In fact, he did not even win the popular vote. He lost the national popular vote by at least 1,750,000. This shows you the scale of the fraud.

The exit polls were not wrong. Kerry was the clear winner, but victory was snatched from him.

Florida first. The 200,000+ margin of victory for Bush made this state uncontestable. Everybody assumes that even with some fraud, Kerry could never have made up the difference in a recount. But Kerry actually won by about 750,000 votes. The numbers were changed by a computer program (in both electronic and scan-tron voting systems) called "KerryLite." "KerryLite" of course is not actual name of the program. The actual name is 11-5-18-18 etc. For additional encryption, the numbers were jumbled but I'm not sure in which order. The numbers replace the letters of the alphabet. For example, K is the eleventh letter of the alphabet.

So the if-then statement goes something like this: "if total true Kerry>total true Bush, Bush x 1.04x (.04 is a random number)(total true Kerry), total true Bush". The second part of the equation takes the total number of votes cast and subtracts the new Bush total, subtracts the third party totals and leaves the rest for Kerry.

Sometimes the program would also reduce third party votes and award them to Bush. And even where Bush legitimately won, he was still awarded additional votes. The big Democratic counties (Broward for example) went to Kerry because it had to appear that everything was on the up and up. It's interesting to see this unfold. Does anybody wonder why the Republican counties were mostly counted after the Democratic counties? You should wonder, and also know that this was no accident. The Bush team had to make up the votes as the night went on.

In Ohio, computer voting fraud, vote tossing and voter suppression were the main methods. Vote tossing was simply the removal of Kerry votes and some third party votes. In some areas, the Bush vs. Kerry votes were absurd. Nine to one, eight to two.

Voter suppression took the form of making voters stand in four hour long lines. This of course took place in Democratic areas. The simplest thing to do was to have too few voting machines. Sometimes that's all it takes. People eventually lose patience and leave without casting a vote.

In other states such as New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa and New Hampshire, Kerry's leads evaporated very quickly once the polls were shut down. Kerry only won New Hampshire, but barely. As it turned out, the lead was 6% for Kerry in that state and not enough fraudulent activity took place to flip the state to Bush.

So this will all come out and be known to everyone. Nothing this massive can be kept a secret. You're already beginning to see these "irregularities" and the whisper will become a roar.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:31 PM
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1. this has been flying around the Internet and unsure of this guys
credibility.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:14 PM
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23. this was posted here last week!! n/t
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Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 08:38 PM
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34. We know there was cheeting, want to know how to win?
The most important discovery in Human History.
The elections are rigged. All of them are.
They don't even count paperless votes. They have trapped your Voice inside a computer. The only way to break their stupid game is to write in "peace" on paper ballots and make them count them in front of you.
Do this in every election and only Humans can be the winner.
We don't care who the puppet is, we care that the puppet is peacefull.
Send this message to every Human. Ever Man, Woman, and Child.
Send this message to your Grand Children.
This is the only way Humans will ever have peace.
We must be allowed to ask for it. Every Human wants peace.
Never again give your voice to a computer that dosn't count your vote.
Don't let them take your voice away from you.
This is the most important piece of information ever discovered.
This information can set all humans Free.
Never let your technology fool you again.
Never let them divide you into Red, or Blue, or Black, or White, or Cristian, or Jew, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Pagan, or Conservative, or Liberal.
None of the issues they talk about are important enough to let them prevent you from voting for peace.
Demand Paper Ballots. demand they be counted.
Never let them steal your voice again.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:33 PM
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2. wtf ? could this be real by any probability ? nt
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:36 PM
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29. No. It's obviously made up from stitching together various BS

Police get this sort of fake "confession" all the time, containing no information except that which was already available in the media (and some which is known to be false). It's just a cut and paste of various theories that have already been floating around, including (and to me, as a programmer, most damning) the if-then-else nonsense. There are definitely ways you could rig a voting machine or tabulator, but this isn't one of them.

--MarkusQ

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:33 PM
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3. This all sounds like disinformation
Forgive me if I am suspicious of the motives of a non-donor with only 37 posts.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:35 PM
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5. Now, be nice...
This came from a reputable mailing list that I also receive.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:33 PM
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4. Dupe n/t
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:36 PM
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6. if-then statements
having worked with spread sheets I figured a "if-then" statement was in there somewhere.....
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:36 PM
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7. Could someone forward this to Palast, Madsen and Bev Harris?
They might be able to jump on it before the RNC erases the info
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:37 PM
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8. Ahh, another Coast-To-Coast loser! n/t
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:38 PM
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9. It was a 400,000 margin
When you use incorrect facts it has a tendency to bring your entire premise into question
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TR Fan Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:40 PM
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10. Check out KO's blog regarding this "gentleman" .... n/t
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 05:40 PM by TR Fan
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:41 PM
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11. No, Schuster's... n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:41 PM
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12. Wht does my chest hurt so much?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:45 PM
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13. Whistle: breathe...
breathe, breathe, breathe...

We all want and are working really hard for a 'win' here, and we need you around no matter what happens...

:hug:

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:46 PM
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14. I think this is a fraud: see this article:
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 05:58 PM by hlthe2b
A vote fraud whistleblower... or not? (David Shuster)

........snip
The fact is, Brad Menfil, or whatever his/her real name is... is a self absorbed and sick punk. Menfil only seems to care about making an argument, not about proving one. There are some thoughtful discussions and honest investigations into the troubling election "irregularities." Let's not allow those to get shoved aside or replaced because of quacks like this.

Thoughts/comments/questions: DShuster@msnbc.com

read more: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086/
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:51 PM
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15. Here people are attacking Bev and I bet they are on Bush's side
I think that there is a concerted effort to discredit anyone trying to prove Kerry won.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:53 PM
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17. KO is doing it and i don't think
he belongs in that category
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:56 PM
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18. Wow... How did this get to be about Bev (I have religously tried to stay
clear of that controversy)?

I simply see this email info seems too good to be true and clearly Schuster has doubts as well. If it ends up to be real, boy, will I be willing to eat my words, but I only indicate that some of the mainstream blogs, if not media are aware of this email and are similarly skeptical.

:shrug:
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:09 PM
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21. Please See Post 20, "genius" n/t
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:17 PM
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25. Yes..we all sold Clinton cigars
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:51 PM
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16. I appreciate Shuster's comments...
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 05:55 PM by IndyOp
...and I feel similarly about Brad Menfil, Bev Harris, and Wayne Madsen -- if you have the goods, show them. I will keep an open mind in the meantime, but until they show the evidence I can't judge whether they are on target or way, way off.

Edit: I typed my reply before 'genius' post appeared. I can't speak for anyone else, but I BELIEVE that the election was stolen, that Kerry won the electoral college and popular vote in a landslide and that evidence of this will come to light. I don't want to immediately accept anyone's story because I don't want to get my hopes up just to have them dashed and because our credibility depends on our thinking critically about our own - and each other's - ideas and evidence. We *are* in this together and that means providing constructive criticism when needed.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 05:59 PM
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19. My thoughts, exactly IndyOp
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:06 PM
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20. This is A Bunch of Crap, Believe Me
I have already posted this the FIRST time this crap was posted a few days ago. It IS crap. This Brad Menfil is fake. The same Brad Menfil came forward with the Bush Bulge controversy claiming he has contacts in the repub party blah blah blah and they told him bush is wired for sound blah blah blah. It was all a load of crap. So he had repub connections during the debates, but is a member of the RNC now? What a crock. Please disregard the above article as nothing more than a waste of reading time. Below is an example, and a link for reference:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:aBDV3R5x-LMJ:portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/299251.shtml+brad+menfil+bush+bulge&hl=en

Example from the Bush Bulge Blog:

Bush was wired 09.Oct.2004 21:37

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brad Menfil of Knoxville link


I have contacts within the Republican Party. I was told by Scott Zale, a Repulican operative in eastern Tennessee that he knows it to be a fact that Bush was wired. He said that within the Bush campaign, there are certain mid-level staffers that have leaked this tidbit because it was just "too fantastic to ignore."

Zale told me that the transmission device is popular with other high profile officials in the Bush administration. It helps everybody stay "on message." Zale said that Bush was only fed ready responses to just certain types of questions. He didn't know which questions those were but admitted that Bush just sounded(to him)to be more articulate at certain "oportune" times.

Zale confided that he was told that the president wore a loose fitting jacket during both debates. The device protuded because Bush has a tendency to hunch over and shrug his shoulders a lot.

This is a true story as it was told to me. If you want to know more, please contact Scott Zale at the Bush-Cheney campaign headquarters in Knoxville, Tn. Thanks.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:22 PM
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26. We never did find out what the Bush bulge was.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:25 PM
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27. I know, It fuckin Pisses me off
I was as obsessed about that issue as I am now here, but that was before I found DU! Actually, since I wasn't here yet, was it a big thing on DU? I was religiously investigating it elsewhere...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:42 PM
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35. The bulge that the weed had the night of the debate has never
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 09:46 PM by merh
been adequately explained. Sadly, the only argument discrediting it as a communication device is that the idiot did so poorly during the debate, no one wired would have done that poorly.

You're saying this guy should be discredited because he leaked that the weed was wired is very weak reasoning, since many here (including me) believe he was wired, just too drunk, scared, drugged, nervous for it to be effective. I still cannot get beyond how he told someone to let him finish when no one was interrupting him. :shrug:

With all things concerning this travesity of justice, I take this with a grain of salt, yet I do not totally discount it because they did pad the weed's totals and took away from Kerry.

BTW - when you have the time, research the threads and read the many, many threads that debated whether or not the weed that would be king was wired.

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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:09 PM
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22. According to what I've read, this is a hoax n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:14 PM
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24.  from the little I understand about programming and code ...
it makes sense to me, especially with the marketing of Sequoia machines by LePore and the NV SOS.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:30 PM
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28. This has been soooo debunked.
Let it go. Don't post it, don't repeat it, don't pass it on, don't respond to it.

My guess is this a right wing nut, attempting to discredit those who question the tainted election.
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:41 PM
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30. HOAX
See what Joseph Cannon has to say about this guy at
www.cannonfire.blogspot.com
This same guy showed up in the bulge story, and non of his "facts" checked out. Call him rove, jr.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:53 PM
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31. I'm surprised Global Research published this.
They usually have a bit higher standard.

Still, this could have some valuable clues in it.
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indigonation Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:57 PM
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32. Um, this hoax has been around before.
Search Brad Menfil
Do your own checking.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:16 PM
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33. Fake -- an attempt to undermine the whole movement.
Pay attention to the real stuff.

This has a stink about it.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:44 PM
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36. Bunk or not, it is this theory that most closely resembles my own.
:crazy:
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:47 PM
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37. Not Brad Menfil again! *rolls eyes* (n/t)
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