FBI Refuses Complaint Alleging Ohio Voter Fraud

[intelle]

I didn't see this posted anywhere. If this is a dupe, I apologize in advance.

FBI Refuses Complaint Alleging Ohio Voter Fraud

(by Don DeBar, Dec 3, 2004) The White Plains office of the FBI today
refused to accept a complaint detailing allegations of compound
felonies of voter fraud, conspiracy and other offenses in connection
with the Ohio conduct of last month's presidential election.

A group of election activists called Transparent Democracy -
including civil rights attorney Michael Sussman, Greenburgh town
supervisor Paul Feiner, and four others - attempted to present the
complaint at noon today while dozens of protestors carried signs
outside supporting the call for an investigation.

The smaller group was denied access to the FBI's Westchester offices
at 222 Bloomingdale Road in White Plains. Organizer Nicholas Mottern
had previously arranged with the office to present the complaint.
However, when they arrived in the building's lobby, he and the others
were informed by building security that the FBI had instructed
management not to allow them access to the Bureau's offices, and that
the FBI would not send a representative down to the desk to accept
the complaint.

In response to the Bureau's action, Sussman, Feiner and Mottern
signed into the building register and left the document with the desk
clerk for delivery to the Bureau. A local cable news station later
reported that the FBI refused to accept delivery of it.

more at:

http://www.wbai.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=4340&Itemid=2

There is going to be a rally on December 8th at noon in White Plains, NY.

[geo]

1. OMG... they didn't....

wow :) -G

[geo]

4. This is a violation of their fiduciary duty.... I am just in shock...

I mean... FBI is mostly a bunch of lawyers... they should know better. What gives! I can't believe this. What was their reason for not wanting to even "accept" the report (which they did when it was left at the desk, whether they like it or not). Arrg. - G

[intelle]

5. Not sure

but, it does suggest that tbey don't want to touch this with a ten-foot pole.

[geo]

15. They have a duty of care to follow-up on reports of crime....

To put it into more personal terms, imagine a spouse is getting abused by the other spouse, and tried to tell a police officer who doesn't take the report. The officer would then be complicit in any damage done to this spouse for his failure to perform his duty of care. He has also wronged the battered spouse because she deserves justice.

Same goes for the FBI. They are complicit to the degree their refusal to investigate damages others and robs them of justice.

The lawyers were right to sign in and leave the document. The FBI's refusal after that point shows a gross violation of their fiduciary duty to those attempting to report. - G

[hootinholler]

18. This needs to go to Conyers...

He can then add letters to the FBI chief and the AG, requesting them to explain their actions on Wed.

The more I hear about the more I think a RICO investigation of the RNC needs to happen.

-Hoot

[intelle]

19. I'll send this on to Conyers

Thank you for the suggestion...:-)

edit: typo

[geo]

22. Agreed. :) -G

:) -G

[intelle]

23. I sent the article on to Conyers n/t

[Patsy Stone]

27. Bless your heart... n/t

[berniew1]

38. This seems to be rather flagrant and open bias by FBI

Am I missing something? Does the FBI only investigate criminal actions that are done by DEMs. If there is fraud, that is a crime.
And not accepting a complaint is quite different than accepting it and concluding it has no merit.

[Patsy Stone]

40. Yes. I don't know

Maybe lack of jurisdiction? I know they were NY citizens, complaining about Ohio, to NY FBI. Is that the way it's done? I would think that federal jurisidiction is federal jurisdiction, but is it?

How do you refuse a complaint? I'd like to see their reasoning.

How fun would a RICO trial be? Someone call Tom Hagen! :)

[intelle]

47. Exactly, berniew1....exactly n/t

[Liberty Belle]

2. There should be one in front of the FBI in DC. This stinks.

[intelle]

3. It does stink

but the good news is that there is activism cropping up all over the US.

And, it is getting some attention.

Trying to hold onto the positives as it can get pretty discouraging otherwise for me.

[geo]

6. I am fuming, but thanks for the update!

Hi Intelle,

I think you are right: activism is creeping up, and nothing gets people fired up more than folks bucking their fiduciary duties in law enforcement. This really pisses me off; their behavior is unconscionable. - G

[SomthingsGotaGive]

54. lol

"nothing gets people fired up more than folks bucking their fiduciary duties in law enforcement"



:headbang:




:yourock:

[AntiFascist]

50. It stinks, but....

I have to point out that Madsen did predict this. I believe he suggested not to even approach the FBI because they are in on the corruption...case in point: the lockdowns in Ohio.

[Stephanie]

7. Excuse me? The FBI refused to accept service of the complaint?

There must be rules governing what the FBI is supposed to do when served. I doubt they are allowed to pretend they're not home. Are they?

[intelle]

8. I wish I knew

I am hoping there will be further news of this on the 8th when the rally takes place.

[proudtobeadem]

9. Next time we should get them on tape refusing for the day we get

real media coverage or the court!!

[librechik]

16. there is video, apparently

link in the story

[intelle]

17. I missed that

Thanks for pointing it out. I watched what I could (there was a Real Player error before it ended). It showed the demonstrators.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

20. the entrance into the FBI building starts at 5:35 sec

THOSE BASTARDS!! Don't we pay there salaries?

www.debar2004.com/video/120304fbi1.rm

WTF are they there for?

[Carl Brennan]

10. Any lawyers around? 18USC something or another

requires public officials to investigate on "reasonable suspicion". I'm not sure about this though.

[gumby]

11. Didn't Wayne Madsen report that the FBI

is on Shrub's side? There ya go !!

Shrub is now worining on the CIA and State Department and all other living creatures.

[regularjoe]

12. Tell your Senators and Representative about this

Their contact info can be found from www.congress.org


regularjoe

[ccarter84]

13. Wow

Guess the FBI got scared...or got instructions from the higher ups.
On another note: I believe in protesting as much as the next person...its just outside the FBI headquarters may not be the smartest thing unless you like truth serum...j/k...I think

[intelle]

14. LOL!

Hadn't thought about this, Ccarter. Seriously, do you really think something like this could happen?

[MarkusQ]

21. The truth?

just outside the FBI headquarters may not be the smartest thing unless you like truth serum

Hey, I'm not the one afraid of the truth. If there really were such a thing, I'd say yeah, let's all march down and offer to report under truth serum who we voted for and if we did anything to rig the election.

And I do mean all of us, Ken.

--MarkusQ

[rodeodance]

24. the letter--if accepted --will just sit on someones' desk if accepted -I

a cynic about anyone really caring about what actually happened with the electin!!


.....In response to the Bureau's action, Sussman, Feiner and Mottern signed into the building register and left the document with the desk clerk for delivery to the Bureau. A local cable news station later reported that the FBI refused to accept delivery of it.

In response to the Bureau's actions, the group called another rally for Wednesday, December 8 at noon to demand that the Bureau accept the complaint and investigate the allegations of fraud in time to prevent a possible theft of the election. Wednesday's rally will likewise take place at 222 Bloomingdale Road in White Plains.

Video of the attempted presentation of the complaint, and some footage of the rally, is available at www.debar2004.com/video/120304fbi1.rm

- the text of the letter which was offered follows:

[LisaL]

26. It's just nuts. They refuse to investigate FRAUD? That's just sick.

Yea, they could have just accepted the letter and let it sit on their desk. But they wouldn't even take the letter.
What is this country coming to?

[dlaliberte]

28. Why not Accept and Ignore?

Yes, they could have just accepted the complaint and ignored it thereafter, or investigated it half-heartedly, or thoroughly investigated it, collecting all the evidence, and buried it. So why should they refuse to accept it?

Is it denial? If they accepted it, is that an admission that it is worthy of investigation?

Perhaps there is a question of juristiction. When does the FBI step in as opposed to state police or perhaps the justice department or the state or federal courts. I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but I think the FBI has raised more alarms by this very visible action of taking no action.

Maybe, ironically, that is what they intended. Hmm...

[merh]

34. Maybe that is what they intended?

What better way to force the higher ups to allow them to do their jobs than to make it public that they refuse the complaint. They are hoping it gets so much of a stink that they are ordered to pursue it rather than ignore it. Maybe that IS why they refused it.

[jamboi]

52. At any rate the effect it has is to put up a very very big red flag,

intended or not.

[BR_Parkway]

39. Dec 8th being the date that Conyer's is holding his hearings

adds a nice little touch.

[intelle]

25. Sent this on to KO also.

Hoping that he mentions it on his show.

[Red State Blues]

29. It's just polite to

attempt to serve their complaint BEFORE any demonstration. Why are they waiting until Wednesday to attempt to serve the complaint again rather than Monday morning? Why are they doing this in NY rather than Ohio?

Don't get me wrong, I'm outraged too but this doesn't seem to be the proper way to handle this.

[Starlight]

30. This makes no sense.

Is this a publicity stunt? I don't see how they could have a problem filing a complaint with the FBI. It's really, really easy. You can do it online or over the phone. You don't need "permission" from anyone.

From their website:

The FBI encourages the public to report any suspected violations of U.S. federal law. You can do so by calling your local FBI office, Legal Attache office, or by submitting a tip via the FBI Tips and Public Leads form.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm

[pilgrimsoul]

31. If it were me...

I'd serve the Complaint via FedEx - some administrative person would just sign for it without looking who the package was from and then voila! - admissible proof of service. My first impulse was to suggest certified mail, return receipt, but then you run the risk that the recipient could refuse to sign for the package (have you ever gotten anything good via certified mail?) What the hell, there's no reason why it couldn't be served *both* ways - one of them is bound to get through.

[Red State Blues]

37. publicity stunt

It almost certainly seems to be so. If they attempted to serve the papers first through normal channels and were denied then I stand corrected. Frankly, this all sounds like nonsense.

Think about this if it were your place of business. Would you appreciate people demonstarting against you BEFORE you had any idea of what they were complaining about? Would it make you more or less likely to take them seriously?

If they try to quietly, sensibly present the complaint on Monday and they still get turned down, then by all means, go demonstrate to your heart's content on Wednesday. But if nothing at all happens on this until Wednesday then I would seriously question the people that are leading this charge.

Demonstrate, by all means demonstrate, like in the Ukraine, in front of elections offices and town halls, outside Blackwell's office, in fornt of Catherine Harris' office, fine sure. But is the White Plains Office of the FBI the logical place to make your first stand?

Now I'm defending the FBI, these are strange days indeed.

[intelle]

48. We don't know the background here

but I suspect that they did try to file a complaint privately first, and were refused. This makes sense to me.

[Red State Blues]

53. wait

I agree that we don't know the background which is why I've been careful with my words; however, the article said that they had called ahead and received permission so unless I see explicitly otherwise I'm still sticking with my first reading. Why would they have given permission if they had previously turned it down?

I wish there was more interest in this little tributary of the discussion because I see most people getting very upset over something that just doesn't make sense.

[lthuedk]

32. The FBI has been neoconned.

There is more than enough reasonable cause to investigate and they know it. Their fascism stinks.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. Looks like I have a rally to go to! :)

[Liberty Belle]

35. Media blast this and DEMAND the networks get on this!

Federal Bureau of what? Ignorance? Surely not Investigation.

We must demand that the networks cover this travesty of justice.
This is a total outrage--the worst of any yet, in my opinion.

Democrats muste demand that the FBI Director do his job--and the press should be grilling White House officials on why our Federal Bureau of Investigation is refusing to investigate such a major voting fraud scandal--in Ohio, which could tip the election to Kerry.

I'd have thought they'd at least go through the motions of investigating before whitewashing things.

Can we get form letters going that we can media-blast to the networks, the newspapers, other media, our Congressional leaders, Democratic leaders, etc? We ought to get the leaders of ALL the big progressive groups united on this one: Democracy for America, Common Cause, Moveon.org, and so forth.

[intelle]

36. KICK

[Helga Scow Stern]

41. This is getting scary. Please write international election monitors:

Beg them to investigate since the FBI won't. It's also alarming that * is firing Berry, head of Civil Rights Board and the one who pressured congress to investigate voter disenfranchisement in 2000 election.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

and tell Danish Reporter:

Bo Elkjaer

[e-mail]

[Liberty Belle]

43. What can they do? Do they have any power?

[Helga Scow Stern]

44. They are supposedly a respected voice around the world.

They may not have any legal power, but their strong statement could make a huge difference.

[floridadem30]

45. thank you for the link

[intelle]

49. Pleasure.....:-) n/t

[OKthatsIT]

42. WHERE'S HILLARY?

Why is everyone so surprised?

We have no media coverage.

This was a stupid move, whoever thought it up. The lawyer, working with this issue, should have known better. Was this 'request' just a move to 'document' the bureaus' response?

This group needs to have big names attached to the order/ complaint.

[intelle]

46. Yes, but the end result

WAS media coverage. At least in a small way.

Also, as far as I understand the FBI...anyone can make a complaint and, the FBI will investigate if they think it warrants investigation. That is what is so strange here...they didn't even accept it to examine it's merit.

[Dancing_Dave]

51. These are the same guys who didn't investigate 9/11 either!

The U.S. Attorney General can block any such investigation that he doesn't want.